The question the jewish `gods` dont like to answer!!

Originally posted by littlezeta

Originally posted by backinblack
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Personally I believe all religious books should be in the Fiction section of the library..
And some authors should be sued for plagiarism..

there are entities, evil evil entities, who have cost billions upon billions, probably trillions of lives out there, who have lied for mileniums

Wow, do you understand how different a trillion is from a billion? Let me put it to you another way:

1 million seconds would take 12 days.
1 billion seconds would take 3,200 years.
1 trillion seconds would take 32,000 years.

reply to post by littlezeta

Well, I can answer the question. It turns out something terrible happened to the Jews 2000 years ago. And based on my studies it seems that the Jews simply weren't supposed to understand it. Simply put someone triggered a 2000 year top level Leviticus 26 curse and it simply hasn't expired yet.

So what happened? It would appear that someone triggered the curse of Malachi.

Malachi 4
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Matthew 17
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

According to Matthew 17 Herod triggered the curse when he had John the Baptist executed. So then the problem is defining what the curse does and the length of it. And for those details you need to refer to Leviticus 26 and the book of Hosea.

To start with Leviticus 26 details the benefits of being in a relationship with the Jewish God. And the punishments for breaking said agreement. And when a nation and it's people subject to Leviticus 26 really break the agreement the following happens. Plus the punishments previously mentioned as well.

27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.
32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.
35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.
36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.
37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.
38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.
39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.
45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

And from the first century AD it's quite apparent the Jews have been serving this curse. And now for Hosea's contribution.

Hosea 3
4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

Hosea 5
3 I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled.
4 They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD.
5 And the pride of Israel doth testify to his face: therefore shall Israel and Ephraim fall in their iniquity: Judah also shall fall with them.
10 The princes of Judah were like them that remove the bound: therefore I will pour out my wrath upon them like water.
11 Ephraim is oppressed and broken in judgment, because he willingly walked after the commandment.
12 Therefore will I be unto Ephraim as a moth, and to the house of Judah as rottenness.
13 When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah saw his wound, then went Ephraim to the Assyrian, and sent to king Jareb: yet could he not heal you, nor cure you of your wound.
14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Hosea 6 The timeframe of the curse. And 2nd Peter 3-8 to understand it.
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

2nd Peter 3-8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The curse is 2000 years long. Followed by a thousand year "day of Jezreel". A period of time when God himself will interact with the people on a daily basis.

AND that is the answer you were looking for. As for why all I can do is refer you to the book of Job. Apparently god has bigger goal and ambitions for the human race even though his actions may make no sense on a short term basis.

It is strange and funny at the same time that atheists would blame the Almighty for everything when they do not even believe in Him.

But that's their free will, a choice and responsibility they undertake for themselves, and in time will come to know our common Creator they way faithfuls do, not in mine or your time, but theirs for religion is a personal journey one will have to take, for far too many incidents in life can be attributed to 'coincidences' alone, more so in our times.


As for the OP, once again the question of 6 billion jews being exterminated is yet again blamed upon the Almighty. You are not the first or the last to question it. The fact is that it had been the free will of humanity that had allowed that tragedy to happened.

We mankind chosed and selected our own course of action. We have to take responsibility for it, and thus the new direction and determination NOT to do it again. It is the only way we could learn, for we were not created to be robots, but to assist our Creator in His plan for the Universe. But we must pay the price for our own mistakes, just as the Nazi germans and Hitler paid theirs.

During ancient times, it as a barbaric existence as man given the power of free will chosed to use it irresponsibily. Thousands of precious human lives were sacrificed on man created idols regularly, either brainwashed or force, when our Creator had not demanded of it. It was our ancestor's flaw.

The Almighty was shocked and was even more shocked when Abraham would willingly sacrifice his own son at His command. We were not to be robots, unquestioningly follow orders without comprehension, but Abraham didnt question and He had to stepped in to stop it, realizing that flaw in mankind.

He realized we may have brains, but our intellect were far far limited and as such, needed His presence constantly, and He did help and guided mankind, espacially the jews in the hope that they may lead mankind. He even sent divine teachers to help for centuries, but like Abraham, the jews preffered the safely of robotic commands instead, and strive to devise every solution to every situation which is impossible.

The Messiah came and changed all that, taught us the basics, of salvation and redemption so that we may correct our flaws and mistakes each time, and opening up for all mankind to know our Creator's love for us all, to follow His guidance so that we need not suffer and then to fulfill our destiny to the stars.

As to the aspects of hygiene, our Creator taught our ancestors by directions, as they were only mere children with a child's mind, as science was not easily grasp in the ancient times till further expermentations could elevate our comprehension today.

You would find that some of its medical aspects correct and helpful in this modern age as we understand more about science. It is not 'religion' but science that our Creator taught to mere children who had to take that leap of faith till we can comprehend and improve upon it.

As I had mentioned before, you are not the first nor the last, or even possible to change your set mind with my one this post. But it had been for other readers who seek to understand. Only the truth can set us free, and it can be rebuild with reason and logic by comprehension of the motivations by our ancestors of eons past. We are one race - humans, made in His image and likeness.

Thanks for the opportunity to post on this thread. Cheers!

Originally posted by littlezeta
did you get the bit about how it was god who told abraham to sacrifice his son, but an angel of god told him not to....... huh

I always wonderd about that, it seems hat the angle was telling him to sacrifice a lamb instead, and that god would never notice the difference, why would god ask someone to murder their own child as an act of faith, I think god need to se a therapist

reply to post by Randall07


I had the same question/concern about this phrasing! The same is written in Quran always with respect to God. So I asked someone who was more knowledgeable than I And the answer is;...God is referred to in the plural as to maintain the vastness of Him and to the ancient Hebrews and Arabics, it is more respectful when referring to God/though He is One, to speak of Him in the plural. Ok, the way the person explained it to me was more understandable, so I hope what I've written makes sense.

As for the original topic..Never ask God why He does the things He does, we are like baby children asking our father why, we cannot comprehend things that are far above our capacity to. If you want answers like this, read the Bible and pray about understanding...it will come.

thanks for all the replies

it does make me sad when i realise this, as theres a lot of good people, who are completly devoted to their religion, charities, families and are not psychotic or terroristic about their religion,

but, theyve been misled

it seems that it is nothing more than call them `anunaki/satan/greys/reptilians` what have you.. playing tricks

do i believe in a God creator of all
of course i do as i said earlier

do i believe in a spiritual meaning of life, evolution of the soul etc
of course i do, thats why we are here

do i believe Christ was the a true messiah of his time and if anyone would be the messiah and due to return, it would be him?
of course i do!

do i believe all the biblical ancestors were good entities who were here to make a change?
of course i do!

however......... corrupt government, societies, entities etc have twisted the bible and religions to suit them, and this is why the world is in the mess it is in today, with thousands of `gods` and everyone killing everyone in the name of their `god`

i mean look at these pyramids they find all over the world, many of them same structures
the hylogriphs - sorry if thats not how you spell it, they are the same, and the same with many ancient cultures with elongated skulls etc.. i mean these are civilisations opisite ends of world with apparent no means of communications, many of them at different timelines completly, however they all have miraculously one day seemed to have come up with the idea for the pyramid, and their gods

WAKE UP PEOPLE! YOUR BEING USED AND PLAYED BY NEGATIVE ENTITIES!! DONT YOU SEE IT

reply to post by littlezeta


You have to remember my friend this is an "inspired" book of God, it wasn't written by God. This is the reason why jesus called himself the truth... You'll find many instances in the bible where it says "God commanded" this and that person to be killed... nothing but lies. Those were not Gods words, they were mans words, its as simple as that.

As i've said before God has no reason to kill, nor does he have a reason to "command" people to kill. This is why i've said over and over, many passages in the bible were written by men that DID NOT KNOW GOD... Which is why i regard much of the bible as a story book.

Here is your truth... If you want to find truth in your bible read chirsts words, for he is truth...he showed everyone the narrow path and led by example...


6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

reply to post by Akragon

"God commanded" this and that person to be killed... nothing but lies. Those were not Gods words, they were mans words, its as simple as that.

Show me where God commanded those to "KILL" And I will show you that your reasoning is faulty. Oh , and if you are going to give me an "all loving God wouldnt do such a thing" I will show you that that is precisely what an all loving God would have done it the same situation.

As i've said before God has no reason to kill, nor does he have a reason to "command" people to kill. This is why i've said over and over, many passages in the bible were written by men that DID NOT KNOW GOD... Which is why i regard much of the bible as a story book.

Fact is, is that God did indeed command people to kill. Hard cold truth!! Problem is, is that people today have there own perspective, of how they think God should or should not be. They truly dont understand the nature of God.Least there own nature.

Here is your truth... If you want to find truth in your bible read Chirsts words, for he is truth...he showed everyone the narrow path and led by example.

Heres more truth, Christ immersed himself in Hebrew scripture.He studied, taught from it,fulfilled prophecy contained in it. Yes follow Christ.

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Im not here to argue man... i gave my point of view...accept it or don't it doesn't matter to me...

I believe you'll find a lot of things in the bible that were written as Gods command, but i refuse to believe it was actually God who commanded them. As i've said, theres no reason for God to kill anyone...regardless of what you'll read in your bible...

Fact is, is that God did indeed command people to kill. Hard cold truth!! Problem is, is that people today have there own perspective, of how they think God should or should not be. They truly dont understand the nature of God.Least there own nature.

God didn't write the bible man... Anything in that book that says "god commanded anyone to kill" in any reference was not "inspired" by God. The men that wrote those passages did not know God...

So the question is do you know God? I do without a doubt. If they understood God, anything referencing God commanding anyone to do harm would not exist in their writings.

7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him

reply to post by Akragon

Im not here to argue man... i gave my point of view...accept it or don't it doesn't matter to me...

There is no argument. However, what you said is a contradiction or just plain hyprocrisy. I am only trying to make you aware of this.

Heres a perfect example. You said;

I believe you'll find a lot of things in the bible that were written as Gods command, but i refuse to believe it was actually God who commanded them. As i've said, theres no reason for God to kill anyone...regardless of what you'll read in your bible..

Truth is that the bible says that there was a reason for God to command to kill. By refusing to believe what the bible says about this truth you are in denial that the scriptures are true.

God didn't write the bible man... Anything in that book that says "god commanded anyone to kill" in any reference was not "inspired" by God. The men that wrote those passages did not know God..

If you are accurate in your assumption then it stands to be said that every passage in the bible is false and can not be excepted as truth.

So the question stands. Why is it that you seem to go against what is written in the bible but quote it as truth.

here is just one example and I quote

7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him

Hyprocrisy rears its ugly head.

reply to post by Theophorus

If you are accurate in your assumption then it stands to be said that every passage in the bible is false and can not be excepted as truth.

I didn't say every passage in the bible is truth... I said Christs words are truth...

Mostly the rest doesn't matter in the least...

Truth is that the bible says that there was a reason for God to command to kill. By refusing to believe what the bible says about this truth you are in denial that the scriptures are true.

I don't believe everything you'll find in the bible is true...

So the question stands. Why is it that you seem to go against what is written in the bible but quote it as truth.

Because as i've said before, God has no reason to kill anyone for any reason. SO... if who ever wrote certian passages wrote something along those lines, it was not inspired by God. When i quote the bible i quote Christs words thats pretty much all...

so wheres the Hyprocrisy?

reply to post by Akragon


Men you say wrote the bible. This is true. So what distinguishes the men that wrote the Old Testament from the ones that wrote the New Testament? Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not recall Jesus ever writing his own gospel.
thus being known, How could you take what mere men wrote about Jesus as truth and the rest of the bible(which mere men wrote) as erroneous. Is the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John veritable and the other 62 not?
Point being made is that either the whole bible is true or it is not. You cant "cherry pick" verses to fit your own ideological view.

Originally posted by Theophorus
reply to post by Akragon

 

Men you say wrote the bible. This is true. So what distinguishes the men that wrote the Old Testament from the ones that wrote the New Testament? Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not recall Jesus ever writing his own gospel.
thus being known, How could you take what mere men wrote about Jesus as truth and the rest of the bible(which mere men wrote) as erroneous. Is the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John veritable and the other 62 not?
Point being made is that either the whole bible is true or it is not. You cant "cherry pick" verses to fit your own ideological view.

No jesus didn't write his own gospel as far as i know... but you can distinguish between what was said about him or what was written about him from the rest of the bible because as i've said the words that he spoke are all truth... Read some of the things that were left out of the bible, such as Thomas... these are sayings of what he spoke and again you can still see the truth in what is said.

Im not cherry picking verses, im telling you what is written about him, his life, and the words he spoke we're truth... But still written by man... Assuming Jesus was sent from God... you can understand how this was the belief... He judged no one, was kind to everyone and taught the way of being Christ like...

reply to post by watchdog

You have to understand that hearing a message from an "angel of the Lord" is just as good as hearing it from God Himself. The angels of the Lord never speak out of turn or contrary to a message God has for someone.

what do you make of these then?

Job 4
If He puts no trust in His servants,If He charges His angels with error

Hebrews1
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they...to which of the angels did He ever say:You are My Son..Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire..But to the Son He says:Your throne, O God, is forever and ever

Acts4
The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

Matthew22
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Corinthians 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

James 2:1
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Daniel 7
I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it

Galatians 3
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Timothy 3
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hebrews 1
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Hebrews 2
For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Matthew 12
He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.

Peter 1:24
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

Colossians 2:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Originally posted by Akragon

 

No jesus didn't write his own gospel as far as i know...

Jesus wrote 7 epistles, they are all in the beginning of the book of Revelation.

Read some of the things that were left out of the bible, such as Thomas...

Thomas was not included in the cannon because it was written by Gnostics in the 4th century by someone who was obviously not the apostle Thomas. The early church felt that books falsely attributed to apostles were not in the same category of epistles written by Christ's apostles.

these are sayings of what he spoke and again you can still see the truth in what is said.

Not true, the Gnostic texts were written a few hundred years after Jesus's apostles were in their graves by Gnostics. They tried to subvert the Christian doctrine with Gnostic ideas, and attributed their books to long dead apostles in an effort to try and give the texts legitimacy.

He judged no one, was kind to everyone and taught the way of being Christ like...

He taught everyone He met to "repent". How would Jesus determine if they needed to repent if He didn't pre-judge their actions or speech as sinful??? The fact is, Jesus said not to judge on appearance alone, but to make "righteous" judgments.

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." ~ Jesus Christ in John 7:24

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Akragon

 

No jesus didn't write his own gospel as far as i know...

Jesus wrote 7 epistles, they are all in the beginning of the book of Revelation.

Read some of the things that were left out of the bible, such as Thomas...

Thomas was not included in the cannon because it was written by Gnostics in the 4th century by someone who was obviously not the apostle Thomas. The early church felt that books falsely attributed to apostles were not in the same category of epistles written by Christ's apostles.

these are sayings of what he spoke and again you can still see the truth in what is said.

Not true, the Gnostic texts were written a few hundred years after Jesus's apostles were in their graves by Gnostics. They tried to subvert the Christian doctrine with Gnostic ideas, and attributed their books to long dead apostles in an effort to try and give the texts legitimacy.

He judged no one, was kind to everyone and taught the way of being Christ like...

He taught everyone He met to "repent". How would Jesus determine if they needed to repent if He didn't pre-judge their actions or speech as sinful??? The fact is, Jesus said not to judge on appearance alone, but to make "righteous" judgments.

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." ~ Jesus Christ in John 7:24

I haven't found anything that says jesus wrote anything....revelations was writen by John of patmos. So i'd like to see where you got this information...

Not true, the Gnostic texts were written a few hundred years after Jesus's apostles were in their graves by Gnostics. They tried to subvert the Christian doctrine with Gnostic ideas, and attributed their books to long dead apostles in an effort to try and give the texts legitimacy.

regardless of who wrote Thomas, the sayings have much truth to them...

Im not going to get into the "judge rightiously" discussion again with you, we've covered this already...

reply to post by littlezeta


Being a Catholic, and Catholicism being derived from Judaism, I have actually studied these things for myself.

Bad things that happen to good people:
The reason God allows horrible things to happen is because He gave us free will. If He did not give us free will, we would not be able to choose to love Him, and forced love is not real love. Think: those that murder and abuse are people. When the people of God are killed, where do they go? They go home to God. So you can be angry about human rights violations that happened and are now recognized and banned in most parts of the world, or you can look at it from the positive point of view that it's been banned, and those people who died are now with God. Both St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas wrote extensively on this, and I recommend reading their literature on free will (sometimes referred to as freedom of the will).

Abraham:
The angel did not tell Abraham to stop, he physically stopped him. The angels are the servants of God, and do His bidding. Back then, humans weren't allowed to see God, because they would have been struck dead. Since God couldn't come down in person to physically stop Abraham Himself, He sent an angel to do it for Him.

Shaved heads:
You've heard the phrase, "Cleanliness is next to godliness," right? Well, that phrase exists because God is very clean. You cannot be dirty in His presence. That is why Jewish priests, the ill, and those who are not Jewish entering into a Jewish Marriage were/are required to shave their heads. I know that there aren't any more Jewish priests, and I'm not so sure they require anyone to shave their heads anymore for anything. I could be wrong.

The age of the world:
To my knowledge, the Jewish faith has never said that the world is 5771 years old. I have never heard a Jewish person say such a thing, and I know a few. It's fundamentalist Protestants that say that. In Judaism, numbers have meaning beyond their regular meaning. Numbers are very symbolic in Judaism. The "7 days of creation" were 7 of God's days, not human days. The number 7 is a number of completion. The number 3 represents God. The number 4 represents man. 3 + 4 = 7 : God's relationship with man. Similarly, the number 40 is a time of testing. Forty days and nights of rain is a test of Noah and his family. Forty years in the desert is was a time of testing for the Israelites. Forty is also a generation. So, God let the Israelites wander the desert for 40 years in order for the older generation to die off, being that the adults didn't want to take on the Canaanites when God told them to (they were too scared), and the children trusted God enough to want to.

Originally posted by Akragon

I haven't found anything that says jesus wrote anything....revelations was writen by John of patmos. So i'd like to see where you got this information...

Right in the text of Revelation. Jesus tells John to write the 7 angels of the church for Him, then dictates a letter to each of them. No different than if a person dictates a letter to their secretary to send out for them.

regardless of who wrote Thomas, the sayings have much truth to them...

Just the stuff borrowed from Matthew. You don't need the Gnostic gospel of Thomas to read Matthew, you can read Matthew for that.

Im not going to get into the "judge rightiously" discussion again with you, we've covered this already...

Then why do you make comments like Jesus said not to judge? Jesus didn't say that, He said not to judge on mere appearance, but to make "righteous judgments".

reply to post by MoonChild02

The reason God allows horrible things to happen is because He gave us free will.

And also because many people only turn to Him in terrible situations then forget about Him again when things are going well.

Church attendance rose some 300% after 9/11 for a few weeks.