Indiana prosecutor told Wisconsin governor to stage 'false flag' operation

I am not sure if this was mentioned(I did not read all 4 pages) But I am from WI and I seem to remember a news article about anonymous death threats to certain republicans in WI, I wonder if this is related, or maybe it just did not turn into a false flag event because nobody believed that it actually happened.

Unfortunately my connection is dragging along today and it wont let be look up the article, But I am pretty sure it was on ATS

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Conspiracies like this in my humble opinion go far beyond just partisan politics, these are in essence criminal conspiracies being carried out.

They ARE criminal conspiracies. But our society and economy justify such conspiracies - they're everywhere.

Time to change the game, dontcha think? ...and NOT by arresting responsible conspiracy theorists.

S&F& btw

reply to post by OhioPariah


If the shoe was on the other foot, the average American would be raked through the coals! I would think this prosecutor could be held accountable for trying to subvert government due process and our constitutional rights. Politicians will do anything to push their agenda whether it's illegal or not. They think they're above the law, but than again we let them do it, time and time again.

reply to post by WeRpeons


Yes, and prosecutors are just about the worst of the bunch. I, too, find it hard to believe that there was not a crime committed there. He was absolutely suggesting that the legislative process be circumvented in a criminal manner. At the very least he committed some type of conspiracy crime.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by OhioPariah

 

If the shoe was on the other foot, the average American would be raked through the coals! I would think this prosecutor could be held accountable for trying to subvert government due process and our constitutional rights. Politicians will do anything to push their agenda whether it's illegal or not. They think they're above the law, but than again we let them do it, time and time again.

Lets put it this way if the Governor was not the governor, and the prosecutor was not a prosecutor and this email in question had been discussing peddling illegal narcotics they would both be under indictment for Federal Conspiracy Charges.

Here is a coincidence, it was a 100 years ago today that the Triangle Shirtwaste Factory in Manhattan burned down killing workers and giving birth to the Union movement.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- As labor unions battle to retain collective bargaining rights in Wisconsin, Ohio and other states, they are marking the centennial of a tragic factory fire that started the movement that first won those rights.

A scene of surreal horror engulfed the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory in Manhattan 100 years ago on March 25, 1911 during a disaster that ultimately would lead to better and safer conditions for all working people in the United States.

money.cnn.com...

This is what they had already been battling for years prior to the fire.

The Homestead Strike was an industrial lockout and strike which began on June 30, 1892, culminating in a battle between strikers and private security agents on July 6, 1892. It was one of the most serious disputes in US labor history. The dispute occurred at the Homestead Steel Works in the Pittsburgh-area town of Homestead, Pennsylvania, between the Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers (the AA) and the Carnegie Steel Company. The final result was a major defeat for the union, and a setback for efforts to unionize steelworkers.

en.wikipedia.org...

A lot of people died to make organized labor possible to get better wages and working conditions from the corporations, wages and conditions that the corporations were willing to fight against with everything up to and including deadly violence.

The corporations have never stopped trying to end unions and the notion of collective bargaining, and one of their favorite tactics is to turn non-union lower paid workers who don't have the ability to get higher wages through collective bargaining, against higher paid workers who have managed to get better wages, benefits and conditions through collective bargaining.

This too is happening in Wisconsin where many have been prodded to drag one rung of society down the economic ladder rather than focusing on being pulled up to parity with them.

End result everyone but the corporations lose.

The OP mentioned In his opening statement that this was aimed at the Unions and I just have to say this little bit.
I was working full time for a major company here in Canada and was a member of the Union.
I got sick.....real sick as in I will never work again after 20 years of service.
The company tried everything they could to get me to retrain and find a part time job pumping gas because they did not want me on their insurance list of no work no payoff.
If It wasn't for the Union my ass was toast even when I am legally on permanent disability.
The Government here had and has no problem paying my government disability, but the insurance company (Largest In Canada and one of the richest companies in the world) have a real problem with a legit sick claim.
I had invasive heart surgery to help prolong my life and have had so many doctor appointments that I can't keep track.
Now my point is that this very very very rich company would go to what extremes to silence me or other people in the same position I am in? The only safe claims are Union claims as far as I can see.
Great Thread S&F

If they kill the Unions we are all screwed.
Regards, Iwinder

This is like a scenario out of a movie, he's freaking low life in a
suit and tie.

reply to post by Iwinder


The sad thing here is, is that they really are trying to use jealousy of poorly paid workers with no benefits to drag down the unions.

It's a strategy they have been employing for years.

Where the corporations have had to they simply have transfered industry overseas to break up the unions and avoid paying a living wage.

The ones that were too powerful to do that too they basically turn the people against.

Anyone notice how for years the American Press said that the United Autoworkers couldn't build a decent car and that the Japanese cars were so much better.

Yet the minute the Federal Reserve bought into GM and Chrysler all of a sudden Toyota couldn't catch a break, being dragged in front of Congress.

For years most critics of American cars who haven't even test driven or competitively tested one in years have been trained to assume American cars suck, when dollar for dollar most American models deliver more horsepower, more safety, and better handling, and cheaper replacement parts.

But more importantly they were told that they sucked because UAW Workers were over paid, lazy, and added thousands of dollars of costs to the cars through inneficiant labor practices and extortion.

This is yet another step to keep villifying Unions yet the truth is the closest America ever got to being a very prosperous and STABLE society was within the Unions were at their height of power, as the fortunes of the Unions have decreased so too have American fortunes in general.

Let me Guess....

The Prosecutor had someone already picked out to frame and the Cop to help him do it.

Every single case this Prosecutor has ever done needs to have a re-trial because it seems the Prosecutor has Experience in this field of Conspiracy!

Hold his feet to the Fire!

And make him pay for the Re-Trials not on the Tax Payer, Him!

Walker had promised to lay off 1,500 state workers if the bill to curb collective bargaining rights for public employees didn't pass.

I would suggest summarily hanging this type of individual from the nearest lamppost. I'll accept that's an extreme view, a more humane approach may be to flog the bastard and throw him in jail, instead he'll probably get a slap on the wrist, years from now, when none of us are paying attention.

I still think he'd look good on a lamppost... with 1500 families cheering.

Another Thought:

If this is the Form of Corruption on a Local and State Level...

Imagine it at the Federal or Global Level!

reply to post by AbleEndangered


You just need more lampposts.

reply to post by centurion1211


It did not veer off course until your post. Nobody was bashing Walker, only the prosecutor. Though, the poster who said Walker should have immediately contacter federal prosecutors is 100% right.

reply to post by daddio


Thanks for that great post.

As you have displayed the people are the enemy of the state and have been for quite some time.

True American did a thread on just how we are all to be viewed by the militry and police per official documents come organized rebellion, that didn't get too much attention but should have.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks for sharing that.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Iwinder

 

The sad thing here is, is that they really are trying to use jealousy of poorly paid workers with no benefits to drag down the unions.

It's a strategy they have been employing for years.

Where the corporations have had to they simply have transfered industry overseas to break up the unions and avoid paying a living wage.

The ones that were too powerful to do that too they basically turn the people against.

Anyone notice how for years the American Press said that the United Autoworkers couldn't build a decent car and that the Japanese cars were so much better.

Yet the minute the Federal Reserve bought into GM and Chrysler all of a sudden Toyota couldn't catch a break, being dragged in front of Congress.

For years most critics of American cars who haven't even test driven or competitively tested one in years have been trained to assume American cars suck, when dollar for dollar most American models deliver more horsepower, more safety, and better handling, and cheaper replacement parts.

But more importantly they were told that they sucked because UAW Workers were over paid, lazy, and added thousands of dollars of costs to the cars through inneficiant labor practices and extortion.

This is yet another step to keep villifying Unions yet the truth is the closest America ever got to being a very prosperous and STABLE society was within the Unions were at their height of power, as the fortunes of the Unions have decreased so too have American fortunes in general.

I agree 100% PT.... I worked for the Brewery industry here and almost 20 years ago I was making over 20 dollars an hour with very good benefits which I still enjoy, the insurance company would like me to very much un-enjoy those same benefits.
Keep in mind the pay was back then and the pay is better now, not for me I only get 50% before tax here.
But by god did they go to extremes to get me off their insurance claim.
I had to get the wife to drive me out of town 9 times and the distance was over 100 miles there and back, to meet with doctors and insurance people. All this time I was making no money and they were not paying. I could not drive legally and the wife had to take time off of work with no pay to do this.
Finally my heart surgeon said to the insurance company ........If your not paying this man for his gas and his wife's time off of work we are done here and see you in court.
LOL not kidding he set them straight only because he was [retired now] a premier heart surgeon out of London Ontario.
Our Union still consults me here on questions about permanent disability claims.
I am glad to help anyone involved with an insurance/Union/ company claim.
I really learned how to hate the big guys because when you are down and have nowhere to go you can get as nasty as you want because there is nothing left to lose.
Regards, Iwinder

Originally posted by D377MC

Walker had promised to lay off 1,500 state workers if the bill to curb collective bargaining rights for public employees didn't pass.

I would suggest summarily hanging this type of individual from the nearest lamppost. I'll accept that's an extreme view, a more humane approach may be to flog the bastard and throw him in jail, instead he'll probably get a slap on the wrist, years from now, when none of us are paying attention.

I still think he'd look good on a lamppost... with 1500 families cheering.

edit on 25-3-2011 by D377MC because: (no reason given)

I have a real nice lamppost right in front of my house here:-)
I even have some nice strong hemp rope to compliment the post.
Regards, Iwinder

Originally posted by getreadyalready


I believe the success of the Tea Party bought us a couple of years, because now we have to wait and see if these guys are going to follow through on their ideals, or of they are going to be indoctrinated into party politics.

If I am not mistaken, wasn't Scott Walker paraded into office on the "TEA PARTY" platform?????

I believe the wait and see is over.

Parker

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

....Juries really can rule on the law itself and not just the act of the accused lawbreaker. Judges and prosecutors love to lie about that, but ultimately it's our court system that backs up all these insane laws and codes that these corrupt politicians make, so it really is the court system where the whole system needs exposed....

I know it is heading off topic but it is too important to let it pass with out comment since you already brought the subject up.


The Founding Fathers of this country did their darnedest to give us the tools needed to keep our Union. I suggest we use them and I am not talking about guns I am talking about our power over state and local affairs.

HERE IS ONE OF OUR POWERS THAT WE IGNORE!

Please pay attention because THIS is a much more effective way to fight TPTB than protests every were.

WE THE PEOPLE have the ultimate say on what laws are valid. TPTB has tried to take that power away by cover-ups and keeping us ignorant.

I am talking about TRIAL by JURY.

There is a reason we now see only judges trying cases.

There is a reason why jurors are never told about their Constitutional rights and duties.

There is a reason laws are written in such a way that a person is denied the right to a trial before a jury, even though it is unconstitutional.

A Jury has the RIGHT to judge both the law and the facts

It is called CASE LAW and the Muslims are busy using it to slip Sharia Law into the US legal system. - SEE ATS Thread

Case Law (n) Case Law is the decisions, interpretations made by judges while deciding on the legal issues before them which are considered as the common law or as an aid for interpretation of a law in subsequent cases with similar conditions. Case laws are used by advocates to support their views to favor their clients and also it influence the decision of the judges www.legal-explanations.com...

Notice in this "legal" definition they LIE. It is not SUPPOSED TO BE "the decisions, interpretations made by judges' it is SUPPOSED TO BE decisions by a JURY!

“The trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State, where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.” -- Constitution for the United States of America, Article III, Section 2, Paragraph [3]

Trial by Jury, almost hidden away in the Constitution of the United State is one of the most precious freedoms that Americans possess.

The saving grace of William Penn’s trial was to establish a critical precedence, whereby jurors could act on the basis of their conscience. It is a precedence which in modern day is sorely needed, when public opinion, law enforcement agencies, and the Courts themselves heavily influence the deliberations of juries to the point of denying justice. [This has been particularly true in cases where there is a great deal of publicity, there is a serious Scapegoatology atmosphere running about, and where law-enforcement agencies, courts, and governments are seeking new ways to extend their power.]

“It is not only his right, but his duty... to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court.” -- John Adams

John Adams words are fundamentally important in that every member of every jury must know they have an inalienable right to IGNORE Court-directed verdicts, public opinion, and/or the letter of the law (however interpreted by law enforcement agencies), as well as to be allowed to search for the truth in their deliberations.

No judge should dissuade or deny a juror’s right to obtain the truth in whatever way the juror determines.

This search for the truth and the decisions reached thereby must include:

1) The jury having full access to what any member of the jury considers relevant to the case (i.e. not being denied access by the Court, media, or any other source);

2) The jury being given the respect of being able to discern for themselves between rumor, conjecture, fact, and legitimate evidence, and

3) The jury taking on the responsibility for and being allowed to ask questions, doing independent research, and whatever else the jury decides to do (in it’s infinite wisdom) in order to discover, to the best of its ability, the underlying truth of any court case. The jury should not be limited by only what the Court “allows” into evidence or what the Court “decides” the jury should hear.

Every jury must stand up for their rights on the basis of Common Law (and/or the Constitution, Magna Carta, and other documents of liberty), as was the case in William Penn’s trial. They must actively pursue learning the truth, and then they must use their discernment to make their ultimate choice(s)....www.halexandria.org...

Do you want to know just how POWERFUL this right is????

First National Bank of Montgomery vs. Daly (1969)

Defendant Jerome Daly opposed the bank's foreclosure on his $14,000 home mortgage loan on the ground that there was no consideration for the loan. "Consideration" ("the thing exchanged") is an essential element of a contract. Daly, an attorney representing himself, argued that the bank had put up no real money for his loan. The courtroom proceedings were recorded by Associate Justice Bill Drexler, whose chief role, he said, was to keep order in a highly charged courtroom where the attorneys were threatening a fist fight. Drexler hadn't given much credence to the theory of the defense, until Mr. Morgan, the bank's president, took the stand. To everyone's surprise, Morgan admitted that the bank routinely created money "out of thin air" for its loans, and that this was standard banking practice. "It sounds like fraud to me," intoned Presiding Justice Martin Mahoney amid nods from the jurors. In his court memorandum, Justice Mahoney stated:

Plaintiff admitted that it, in combination with the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, . . . did create the entire $14,000.00 in money and credit upon its own books by bookkeeping entry. That this was the consideration used to support the Note dated May 8, 1964 and the Mortgage of the same date. The money and credit first came into existence when they created it. Mr. Morgan admitted that no United States Law or Statute existed which gave him the right to do this. A lawful consideration must exist and be tendered to support the Note.

The court rejected the bank's claim for foreclosure, and the defendant kept his house. To Daly, the implications were enormous. If bankers were indeed extending credit without consideration – without backing their loans with money they actually had in their vaults and were entitled to lend – a decision declaring their loans void could topple the power base of the world....

Justice Mahoney, who was not dependent on campaign financing or hamstrung by precedent, went so far as to threaten to prosecute and expose the bank.

He died less than six months after the trial, in a mysterious accident that appeared to involve poisoning.

THAT folks is just how powerful case law is and show TPTB are scared to death of case law. That is why they killed Justice Mahoney.

WHAT WE CAN DO!

We have a RIGHT to a trial by jury in criminal matters or in civil matters over $20!

Acquaint yourself with the the fully informed jury movement and pester your state lawmakers into introduce a law mandating a juror be INFORMED of his RIGHTS and DUTIES!

Informed jury amendments have been filed as an initiative in seven states and legislation has been introduced in the Alaska state legislature....

Today, the constitutions of only two states -- Maryland and Indiana -- clearly declare the nullification right, although two others -- Georgia and Oregon -- refer to it obliquely. The informed jury movement would like all states to require that judges instruct juries on their power to serve, in effect, as the final legislature of the land concerning the law in a particular case....

Those who have endorsed the right of a jury to judge both the law and the facts include Chief Justice John Jay, Samuel Chase, Dean Roscoe Pound, Learned Hand and Oliver Wendell Holmes. According to the Yale Law Journal in 1964, during the first third of the 19th century judges did inform juries of the right, forcing lawyers to argue "the law -- its interpretation and validity -- to the jury." By the latter part of the century, however, judges and state law were increasingly moving against nullification. In 1895 the US Supreme Court upheld the principle but ruled that juries were not to be informed of it by defense attorneys, nor were judges required to tell them about it... prorev.com...

So Republicans encourage "False Flags.."? Better yet, Politicians encourage "False Flags.."

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Yeah! WE KNOW