ATS members are being played like a fiddle... Dance! ATS Dance!

reply to post by SLAYER69


Yes ATS is being played.

Any time you have a conspiracy site with the huge numbers that Above Top Secret has each and every day, TPTB - the real puppet masters, whomever they are, are going to absolutely infiltrate and destroy from within any site that initially began to inform readers of what is really going on.

We are on the verge of WWIII. It has been planned just like all the other "events" that have happened.

ATS, all the major information sites are taking a hit from whomever is running the show.

"They" want us dumbed down, misinformed and keep us fighting even among ourselves.

Divide et impera (Divide and conquer)

Iunctus Nos Sto (United we stand)

Di Vi Si Cademus (Divided we will fall)

We are all being played, but particularly here at ATS because this site above all others is where people who really want to figure out WTF is going on come to.

The video below is informative, It is a 10 minute interview with George Green.

8:48 marks a turning point in which Mr. Green explains why he is sharing this information, when Ted Kennedy said "I want to sleep with that"................"that" denotes an object, a person using this term is a psychopath.

Some are programmed, some could be possibly clones, some could be walk ins and some just greedy men (maybe some aren't even human).




WIII is going to happen, it's coming. It is not a matter of if but when and yes, in my opinion, ATS is being played like a fiddle.

That is why, again, in my humble opinion - if you really want to mess up a organization, you gain power at the top - and work the enemy from within (from the top on down.

ATS's flavor has changed drastically in just the few years I've been a member and although I still post, I still come here - as each year passes more and more disinformation and dividing, in fighting is occurring.

Some of the people that post here, I believe are either programmed or are paid to dumb us down and divide us.

It's just a "No-Fly Zone", not War. People hated Bush for blowing off the UN and guess what the Prez did, he completely went around Congress and went straight to the UN. Case closed.

ofhumandescent, if this is all true, then what do you suggest we do? Buy survival food, pray to Jesus, put our head in the sand? Do you think it will be like the Hopi's saw the Fifth World coming in, do you think it will be mass destruction with some survivors who will create a Golden Age, or do you think the monsters will create their NWO with WWIII, which is certainly what they need to create their NWO (fake alien invasion, climate change, economic destruction being the others)?

Also, I don't consider what we do here "fighting between ourselves", of course we have different opinions and different levels of knowledge and there's how much they've peered behind the spiritual and black budget curtain. So of course there will be differences and what you consider "fighting", but I consider it healthy debate. Even if I don't agree with someone's viewpoint or someone is making seemingly outlandish claims, I still like taking it in, I like knowing what all the different facets and opinions are. I also go back to my point that these supposed agents are having any real effect here, there will always be derailing, there will always be trolling, and there are so many genuine people like this that those paid to do it are merely lost in this group. This idea that ATS, quite general, is being playing like a fiddle or puppet is like saying there is no truth, if we're all being played like a fiddle, why aren't you also being played like a fiddle? I personally think you need to readjust how much power you see the Rock and Roth gang having, they are stepping up their game but that is only because they're about to be thrown out, it is a darkest before the dawn situation. There are various alliances and secret organizations against these monsters, some of the members are questionable, but they all see free-energy, sound money, peace, and fixing our planet as their goal. Luckily things will get even better than this, but even their plan is utopian compared to our present situation which is soft totalitarianism. These various groups include the BRIC countries, several asian secret societies, known as various-colored dragon societies and others.

I do agree with you though that things are coming to a head and it's one of those destroy ourselves or evolve situations, you think it will be WWIII, but I think it will be a transitional government with gold backed money and free-energy, eventually leading to a planetary ascension, be that at the end of 2012 or later. Before I started reading about aliens and spirituality I would probably have agreed that WWIII was coming and that agents are ruining ATS for us, but I have since changed my mind and have seen plenty of evidence that supports the theory that the Illuminati are on the run and very desperate. I think we can all agree that by the Summer time our economy will be destroyed, since the Illum are clearly forcing gas prices as high as they can, and the global uprisings will only increase as the intimately related food and gas prices rise. So I definitely agree that the Illum would love to pull off WWIII and it's certainly on their list of things to do, but I believe we have some more benevolent secret societies fighting these monsters behind the scenes, which have some good ideas, but will be more rounded out with alien assistance, though we must obviously make the first moves and get rid of the monsters before that happens. Benjamin Fulford is intimately involved with the asian secret societies and Peter Beter was the first to talk, on the radio of all places, about the Illuminati and the relatively benevolent Russian faction which saved us from a future with the Soviet Union, he referred to them as the New Kremlin. David Wilcock talks about this situation quite a bit, here's link to a more recent one.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


I'm in agreement with you. France was kicked out of that region some time ago and I think they are taking advantage. They are Socialist though and I think that is why the Prez supports them. The goal is some kind of crazy Socialist Islamic State, but controlled by the UN. Is it really Democracy when it's run by the world's wealthiest tycoons and Queens and Princes and wealthy heads of State?

If you think about it, this is a forum that mainly deals with conspiracy theories that involve a number of groups/parties preparing and executing a well planned action/event with intent, which aims to shift things towards the fulfillment of a greater plan. Therefore, many members on ATS are suspicious of what is happening around them and open to a wide spectrum of possibilities/explanations about an event.

That makes it easier for someone to start a new topic with an extraordinary claim and get followers and enemies quite fast. The followers are usually people who have been waiting for someone else to tell them what they have been believing to be the truth or something extraordinary that would shake up their dull lives. The enemies are those who can see what is happening and try to throw the bandwagon off track with their warnings.

Therefore, this dichotomy of opinions and division into 2 opposing groups is natural and with everything that has been happening in the last month it's expected that it would be more evident than before.

For a conspiracy to exist on such a forum one would have to realize that some or all of the following would have to be true:

1) There are members who joined with the aim to divert other posters from the truth on specific matters by providing false information or by confusing people.
2) This forum can cause real harm to certain groups and get in their way so that it would be worthwhile employing people to cause the confusion.
3) This forum has actually managed to hit the bulls eye on some conspiracies.

So I would say that even though misinformation agents and controlled MSM exist, what's happening on this forum is probably natural and not the result of a premeditated plan.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Yes, I've read about bots being used on other social networking sites, even twitter. Techy types talk about it. I am not exactly sure what the aim is to create a fake account of Britney Spears, but it appears that this is generally software which can be used in a variety of ways. So if it can be used in Twitter, it can be used here. I've been in chat rooms even, where the owner may have deployed a conversational bot. It's hilarious to watch people trying to converse with a bot programed to respond to commands in conversational text. But, yah who knows who or what is behind a monitor.

Thank you Longdead, you summed it up perfectly for me, "So I would say that even though misinformation agents and controlled MSM exist, what's happening on this forum is probably natural and not the result of a premeditated plan." I accept that there are paid agents all over the internet, there have been many reports of this that have been somewhat mainstream, the most recent involved people creating fake Myspace/Facebook pages where they commented on people's pages supporting the liberal agenda. But believing that they have such an effect on ATS that we're all being played like a fiddle, I find somewhat absurd because I don't get played like anything, I have done a large amount of research and even wrote a 200 page ebook, on the first page I clearly say that some of what I say might not be true, but that it's likely close to the truth. I have trouble finding new topics these days I've researched so much, so I'm most certainly not being played by some all-powerful paid agent just because we're discussing these current topics and many people derail them. To say that we must not be divided is impossible, I'm all for unity, but it's unity through diversity, not find a middle and get everyone to agree on that, to me that sounds like something a Communist dictator would push for. I do agree though that I'm often bothered by what people say and I've had many periods where I couldn't stand reading comments and rarely visited, much of what bothered me is that I wanted to challenge these people's opinions but I didn't like wasting so much time writing everything and having to remember sources and such. So I created my own website and wrote up on overview of all the major subjects, that way I can just grab quotes and point people to that instead of writing so much. So if you're bothered so much about how we're being played, then create your own website that's only truth, that would solve the problem, plus you can find plenty of free sites. But telling us we're being played and giving very little evidence is not helping us not get played at all, it reminds me of my friend telling me he didn't want to watch a documentary I had because everything is biased, it's like old people saying "you can't trust what you read on the internet".

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

 

I'm in agreement with you. France was kicked out of that region some time ago and I think they are taking advantage. They are Socialist though and I think that is why the Prez supports them. The goal is some kind of crazy Socialist Islamic State, but controlled by the UN. Is it really Democracy when it's run by the world's wealthiest tycoons and Queens and Princes and wealthy heads of State?

Exactly,
www.metro.co.uk...
(see how it's presented is always key, like the sentence above comes off as fact, when it really is a 'belief' held by an individual, but marketed as fact, it causes confusion).

www.google.com...
(speaking up 3 days ago)

af.reuters.com...
(revisit the position a few days later and add a twist)

www.groundreport.com...#
(push back when asked to help set up a scenario)

www.jpost.com...
(be a pal 2 days later and crawl on board the promise train).

www.ynetnews.com...
(speaking what he sees as truth)

worldmeets.us...#
(speaking what is known as truth)

www.jpost.com...
(gets him a babysitter warning, but no one else around needs one)

www.u.tv...
(not even these slick sneeky bastards who supposely breed good kamakazie pilots)

www.skynews.com.au...
(not everyone is sightless)

www.skynews.com.au...
(a speaking of human rights, are we bringing the endless war here next).

www.skynews.com.au...
(or here maybe)

www.businessweek.com...
(or here?)

See we're suppose to be easily led, at least that was the goal, but a few of us, stopped ingesting the chemfoods and chemwater the chem/meds and abandoned mass media as the lone info source decades ago,
it's difficult treading water in this ever increasing choppy sea but it's not impossible,
the odds of saving yourself are okay to slim,
the odds of saving others are slim to none, (and no I'm not Nancy Negative),
it is and has been a full frontal assault on each of us,
from food diet, to news diet, to entertainment diet, to medical diet, to fluid intake diet, to spiritual diet.
Full force, full on.
The term awake or asleep is so spot on, some who claim to be awake are just in the middle of a dream.
This isnt the first time this has happened, it's just the first time for those currently on deck of the planet.

I still feel that people look at the president as controling what is happening. I think that control has disappeared. I think the Presidency has turned into a dog and pony show. The DOD and corporations are now running the show. Back in 2001 the DOD and defense contractors turned to software companies and computer manuufacturers to ceate a new secret internet. (SIPRnet) At that time the NSA,DOD,FBI,CIA and just about any other alphabet soup letters were given a project which will go down in history as one of the great projects like the Manhattan Project (in which no cost was to high to pay). This secret project SIPRnet started with Project Aurora, Project Meddusa, Project Borealis. Those im sure make you think of secret projects for secret air craft for the USAF. But those are not secret air craft. There engines. Not a air craft engine but a computer processing engine for SIPRnet (Secret Internet Protocol Router network). These computer software and computer manufacturers were given all expenses paid with bonuses and large sums of money to build these chips and even given the rights to the chips for resale to the public after a given number of years. (Billions of dollars). The processors and chips out there are old compared to what the government has. There toes got stepped on by WIKIleaks and how did he do it. By hacking a toy that the DOD and the rest over looked. (Playstations). linkThere data was now begining to leak. People say that SIPRnet is shared between countries. No most information gets stamped 'No Forg", (USDOD only).The DOD has even gotten in trouble for spying not on foreign governments and there politicians friendly and unfriendly even foreign companies friendly and unfriendly. But even the US companies and other US government agencies even the US politicians. But the DOD as a whole is not part of this but the DOD as a whole follow orders that supports it. The Washington Post tryed to send out signals. link I don't know if many really investigated for themselves. They were stopped from really smacking you in the face with what has been going on. (National Security Threat). They even told the story about the General who was in charge of the funding for these secret computer projects but was never told what they were for and was refused the right to know even though he had to sign for the funding of the project. Talk about do what your ordered and follow commands like a good boy. Then you have the Rolling Stones magazine that reported on the General who bad mouthed just about every US politician there was and said he does what he wants and screw them and the American public. You also have missing money in the billions from the DOD which a lot went to this secret projects for funding and blackops against everybody including the US. Operation Earnest Voice (OEV) Make people do what the DOD wants. Remeber the recent article about them doing this to Politicians as they visited war fronts. They even used propaganda on politician from the US to get what the DOD wanted. The DOD wants are not the same as the US. So who is behind them pulling the strings. (Corporations) the defense contractors who profit from war and now nation building. The denfense contractors now are not just bomb makers but propgandist pr companies, computer software compies, computer manufactorers and many many more.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Slightly off topic from the op, sorry Slayer.


To ofhumandescent.

I think that your video is a disinfo campaign. One of the biggest here on ATS. ATS is full of these videos. Yes I did fall for them. Yes I believe the dollar is being devalued. Where I disagree is the WW111 part. I personally think that ww111 will start when all of the people wake up and try to stop the corruption that is instilled in all of the governments of the world. TPTB of all of the countries will not allow this. In turn TPTB will use force to try to quarentine the masses. This is similar to the situation at hand in the video but not like it.

The middle east has been fighting ever since there was a middle east. We cannot change this. The idea that ww111 will start there is a ficticous scenario brought on by TPTB to distract people into waiting for www111. When 80% of the people wake up and say "we have had enough", this is when WW111 will begin. A war for the "mighty" to stay mighty. A war against the common man. They will not give the power to the people. They know this and they are preparing for the battle. The sheep will eventually smarten up. This is evolution at hand. Things only stay the same for so long. It is coming, but not like he said.

This is my opinion. This is what I have gathered after doing my own research into these types of videos and reading materials. So I ask you to please ask yourself. Would "they" let people like this guy share their plan with the whole world? I do not think so. You always hear these guys saying they can take me out at any moment". Well DUH, why don't they? This is why I think it is all a disinfo campaign. Something will happen and he will be in his bunker with GW's gang. I guarantee it. It goes deeper than some guy speaking on a youtube video. He "was" in the loop. Correction, he is "still" in the loop.

This is my opinion on this matter. I believe this type of thinking because of the popular demand of these types of videos. The old rope-a-dope. Get them looking one way, then bam, hit them from the other way. Think for yourself and not just what a couple of people "in the loop" has to say.

Thank you.
LJ01

I think the importance of ATS opinion is overrated.

In the big pond we are nothing but a talking shop.

So no, we are not being played, we are simply not that important or influential.

Do you seriously think Libyans for example are sitting by their PC's waiting for the next post on ATS !!

Cosmic..

reply to post by JBA2848

Oh absolutely, the President is the 4 year "selected" spokesperson designed to sell you the pain and surrender.

Thing of it is to me is, why make the trade off that they do to sit in that seat and look what it does to them physically.
I mean seriously, I lived a 4 year existence in mud, rock, water and hell and came out better looking than these guys do sitting behind a desk and living the suit and tie life, grey hair in 2 years? stressed out forgetfulness and for what? To claim what?
None of them can do anything none of them ever really do anything, except follow orders.
It's a joke.

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
I think the importance of ATS opinion is overrated.

In the big pond we are nothing but a talking shop.

So no, we are not being played, we are simply not that important or influential.

Do you seriously think Libyans for example are sitting by their PC's waiting for the next post on ATS !!

Cosmic..

The Libyan's can probably get some of their information here on ATS alot faster than their government gives it to them. Maybe they should. Maybe they have. Maybe they don't. Who knows?

reply to post by liejunkie01


As you probably know, the only effective sites being used to plan and mobilize are Facebook and Twitter.

As for breaking news none of it originates from ATS, i can think of only two occasions with ATS as the source.

As ATS'rs we are an open source think tank talking shop nothing more.

I know many members would like to think we are influential, but we are not.

Cosmic...

Im not so sure it's so hard to imagine that TPTB are useing the very thing we charish so much to keep us fragmented and divided..................the internet.The fact there on web site's like ATS and others is nothing new...........is it?

reply to post by Cosmic4life


I agree. I have only read a hand full, if that, of posts calling for someone to rise up. I believe these posters to be shills, to see what the "flavor" of uprising is for the month. I know my views and words mean crap on here, but I do like to put my two cents in. Maybe only to get people to think outside of the "norm". On a conspiracy site such as ATS, the "norm" is usually popular demand. Such as my posts above, going against the popular belief. Most people here have bought into the whole SHTF scenario adopted from a few people. What and who are these people to say what is going to happen? I seen so many of these vids saying the end is near, it is sickening. None have come true yet, but yet these vids are still pumped out with a different date for the end to happen.

Now I believe that that is the definition of disinfo.

I agree wholeheartedly.
Take for example the homosexualist vs. homophobe/heterosexualist debate.
People immediately start with pro and anti arguments.
That was fun for me as a new member too, and I don't want to deny new members the experience of sharpening their viewpoints in robust debate.
But, is this partisan play of action/reaction really helpful?
Is it really going to change anyone's opinion?

I'd like to see an attitude for a change which says: Straight people, tell me what YOU see wrong with your YOUR scene. What guiding light (if any) are YOU to the gay minority?
What could YOU improve as straight people that you would like gay people to follow?

Vice-versa: Gay people, what do YOU see wrong with YOUR scene? How could it be improved to make living safer for younger gay people, and to make straight people more at ease?

There are lots of things wrong, and interesting conspiracy angles which people could share by sweeping in front of their own doors.

I've considered wording such a thread where gay/straight positions may only reflect internally, and never oppose the "other".
But currently I don't feel comfortable with it, because as soon as I criticize the gay scene or politics as a gay man, it will just give the homophobes ammunition. We're not mature enough, I think.
I think there are issues of over-sexualizing society, while losing the sacred purpose behind sex and sexual identity.
The Western gay scene still has unbalanced rates of HIV infection. The straight scene has astronomical rates of teen pregnancies. (In SA we have high HIV rates for both, plus the teen pregnancy epidemic.)
We have youngsters on both sides exposed to club culture where adults take advantage.
We have drugs and organized crime.
We have people throwing away opportunities for "pleasure".
We have mass religions offering unrealistic answers and compounding the problem with a focus on forcing marriages and procreation above all else (often suggested as "competitive breeding" with other religions).
Who benefits?
No really, lets be honest - homosexuality is not going to disappear; the straight majority is not going to disappear.
What use is it to say to one group: "Stop flaunting your sexuality", when sexuality is flaunted everywhere?
With all this finger-pointing the issues are never addressed.
Everybody is covering up from a defensive position.
Isn't it time to say this is a problem in MY community, and wow, I'm surprised it is an issue in YOUR community too? Now what can we propose to do about it?
We are being played like a fiddle.
However, I think ATS just reflects the divide and rule manipulation with which people arrive at the threads.
The same goes for many other issues, such as race.

The fact is that most people know darn well that there is scandal and evil behind their positions, as much as it is behind that of their foe.
But alas, will that hidden evil ever be brought to the table?
Who will shoot off their own foot first?

reply to post by halfoldman


Well on that subject as a straight man i am actually pro-gay.

Why ? well, more women for me, win win.

I guess my opinion is more third way and less partisan.

Cosmic...

reply to post by liejunkie01


Of course your opinions are valued by myself, the other members and our readers.

It is just that as yet, our opinions do not hold sway in the wider world.

We are not RAND or the JASONs just yet, in time maybe, but not yet.

Cosmic...

I agree with you, I think we've had threads about this, ATS is no doubt monitored, it could very well be controlled. We've seen the results of a few I believe they were FBI? accounts? To misinform us. Also all the time we spend on here reading and posting is great because we get to see the 'real picture' maybe realer than the TV but may be just as fake and we don't get to do anything about it. As per usual we are all talk and no follow through, unlike Anon who seem to be no talk and a lot of fighting. Information on ATS is great for people but there are bad apples to try to confuse people, and any really great information is viciously attacked almost repressed. I can't help but feel that there are people out there who feel they shouldn't post here because of the extreme amounts of drama that happen here. I know I've withheld a few posts and I know that there isnt nearly as much exploration into the occult and esoteric as there should be.