The "If everyone was gay we wouldn't have children" argument

I am not proud of being gay, for there is no reason to be proud of something that is innate and unchangeable. I honestly couldn't care less if it's "natural" or not; all I know is that I never made a conscious, thoughtful choice to be like this. Whether I was genetically predisposed to homosexuality or if I "developed" this orientation through past experiences doesn't matter to me, and I don't know why it matters to anyone else.

I dislike how gays tend to be lumped into the same category of being flamboyant, promiscuous, desperate for attention, or anything like that (though stereotypes happen to every social group). I'd like to think I'm the total opposite of all of those.

I only wish to have the ability to live openly (in real life), without fear of hate spewed my way. Threads like these consistently remind me why I choose to remain closeted at the present moment in time. It's unfortunate it has to be this way, but it could certainly be much worse....

I'm fine w/ some gays who are respectful to the fact that i'm not gay. I've met a lot of gays who hard press their gayness onto completely straight dudes without considering the fact that their come-ons are very offensive and verbally disgusting. And I feel like gays seem to be more aggressive than heterosexuals in terms of expressing their interest. And the ones that'd come on to me have said some pretty sexual stuff that really grossed me out. I mean, girls who come talk to me don't tell me if I like it rough or some crap, so...if girls don't, gays shouldn't either.

I mean, a guy could openly express his love for a girl, and that's okay, because a girl expects that, and I don't think the percentage of guys who say disgusting crap to girls is very high. I just think there should be some gay ethics...like they need to make sure the dude is a homosex before he makes a move. i think that's fair.

If they can keep it to themselves, then I'm completely fine w/ it. I have some awesome gay friends who I think are really normal and do not come on to people the gross way. But most of them I think do. So I actually do think people who swing to the gay side actually are a bit more kinky or should we say...perverted than average?

Wow, this thread has to have been one of the most awfull insights into global predjudice i have ever read.

Dont you understand that the things you are saying is the discrimination that the gay comunity are trying to combat with things like the equality bill.....how would you like to walk into a resturant with the person you loved and be stared at by all the other diners, you wouldnt.

What if if the world was predominatly gay?

I can guanantee that if the un-favourable relationship in society was that between a man and a woman,...you too would be campaigning to fight for your choosen lifestyle....and as for the promiscuity thing, how is it any different than a man who goes on countless dates, sleeps with endless ammounts of women and leers at pornography.....it isnt............

It is this aspect of the website that disgusts me, the small mindedness of people.....all out of a fear of the unknown.

reply to post by Nobama


They can flame all they want.

reply to post by AwesomeOverload


It's also unfortunate that a lot of gays tend to do those types of things. I don't like it any more than you do.

And also i think Christians should know that their religion isn't greater than any others' religion. How is it reasonable or fair that you think that everyones' religion is crap and only yours make sense. Only Christians look down upon on other religions. All the other religions accept Christian and its beliefs. It's whatever does it for you man. if you like Hamburger and think hamburger is the only food that works, sure, don't go around telling people Indian food or Italian food or some other cuisine are all fake or inferior.

if Christians were a person, he/she would be a person who always thought he/she knew everything, and everyone else is an idiot. And also, to be honest, the Christian faith has just as little proof as to any other faith in this world about whether or not their god exists. So...chill out man.

To be honest, I believe in what Christians believe in, but to say that's all there is, is quite difficult for my openmindedness. I just made up a word.

Therefore, don't flame gays for whether or not they should exist. Your bible was written by an emperor, and I'm quite sure he wasn't a god. So no one can say whether or not being gay is sinful.

Originally posted by AlphaZero
reply to post by Nobama

 

They can flame all they want.

reply to post by AwesomeOverload

 

It's also unfortunate that a lot of gays tend to do those types of things. I don't like it any more than you do.

yeah I'm with you on this one. I think any sort of sexuality should be judged by their actions, not by their nature. Gays are normal in this world, and if Christians don't like to read science and how you are developed as a human in your mother's womb, then that's too bad.

I mean, how about heterosexuals who do SM or hit their wives? aren't they even worse and causing more havoc in this world? Also, Christians that I know are mostly hypocrites. I would be friends w/ gays but not Christians.

The people that call homosexuality such awful things such as I have seen in this thread are either hiding something within themselves or unable to accept that something exists that they don't understand.

Those people should be ashamed of how vile they are, it's disgusting and I feel sorry for them.

At the very least they should state the exact reason they dislike homosexuality or homosexuals so much rather than being so blatently evil without reason.

reply to post by Garfee


Some people are raised to think this way, imo religion can be a very evil thing when taught to people who cant think for themselves..

reply to post by Nebulous1973


Spot on.

Originally posted by Nobama
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Some people are raised to think this way, imo religion can be a very evil thing when taught to people who cant think for themselves..

You're right about that but I wish those sorts would open up and think for themselves. It's not always the religous that have issues with the gay thing either I've notice, though they do seem the majority.

You would think there would be more pressing issues to be concerned with...

reply to post by Garfee


and there are indeed, but the people that are too caught up with this nonsense should stay as far away as they can from such matters.

it is a fact that gay people cannot pro-create. Knowing that a small portion of the world is gay and the majority is not, and we have a population problem ever expanding, I think things are progressing in the only way they can. People who are gay aren't that way to piss you off, or to get your attention, they are gay because they are. Same way that other are not. It's not their fault, it's not a sickness, it's not a mental disorder, it's the way their brain and body work. And they will be helping the world by not producing more people. Thank a gay person for that.

I've always wondered about the label "Gay Community".
Like if I was driving down the road would I see a sign with really nice landscaping and great outdoor lighting that said "Gay Community"?
You are now entering 'gay community', would it be like a gated community?
Could you buy a home in the 'gay community' if you were straight and be accepted by your neighbors or would they all be looking through the cracks in their curtains as you pulled up in your car or were outside doing lawn work?
Would the guys in the gay community have to watch what they said about the ladies in the gay community with super extra guarded politically correct vigilance, and vise versa, would the preferences create an underlying tension, and what about racial issues?
Is the 'gay community' free from racial issues?
I dont know about this 'gay community', it sounds alot like any other community except for what happens in the bedroom.
Maybe on a scale of 1 to 10 addressing the issues that affect all of us and our survival this 'gay community' warrants a 1 or at best a 2, not to say that it's not important to the individual, but it's sure not species survival increase the quality of life issue on a global level.
I think nature does a pretty good job, when allowed, to keep things balanced, and if you think about it,
it's hetero couples and unions that are creating the homo couples and unions so if we were to really go after the ROOT of this menace we'd have to kill ourselves entirely, just a complete species erasure.
So I guess this whole issue finds its start and end based on fear.
Fear of what we are or arent as individuals, fear of our thoughts, fear of our weakness, fear of not fitting in,
fear of what we dont understand, fear of losing our position.
If this "gay community' were all gathered up and put on an island and the problem was announced to be 'solved'
it wouldnt be very long until the gay population within the hetero population began to rise again,
without influence, without recruitment.
It would rise due to continued births from the hetero couples and unions,
pretty amazing huh?, just seems like a whole lotta waste of energy hating on something like that.

reply to post by Drezden


Animals do it because of being alone and bored which is now a fact.

reply to post by Drezden


How can gays get married? marriage is a religious act between a man and a woman where the couple put their relationship on the hands of god............where do gays come in?

Originally posted by Viking9019
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How can gays get married? marriage is a religious act between a man and a woman where the couple put their relationship on the hands of god............where do gays come in?

Marriage is a legal and socially recognised union. It is only between a man and a woman because that is socially the way it's always been, or has been for so long that none know a time when it wasn't so.

It isn't always a religious union and even when it is and the couple's partnership is in "the hands of god", there are so many christian divorces that it seems not to matter.

reply to post by traditionaldrummer


We could be heading down the road to extinction if we start thinking that that would be an ok way of reproducing.