Elenin=Planet X, Nebiru (Mathematical proof)

reply to post by simone50m



I watch the first video you posted the one ( In Search Of with Leonerd Nimoy ) that talks about an Major Earth quake Event December 24th! 2011 predicted by the Mayans

BUT WHAT he SAID AFTER!!! Listen Closly !

This is what Nimoys says in the video ! 53ish Mark


New Men of Knowledge will then Appear to Fight the Forces of Evil and Lead the People to Create
A WORLD GOVERNMENT

If the Maya Men of Knowledge were Right in just 34 years we may learn the Answers to the Ancient Mayan
Mysteries

People you gotta to Remember that the TV Series ** In Search Of ** was made in the Mids 70s! say 1977
1977 - 2011 34 years

Nimoy is Talking about the New World Order !

MODS Owner's of ATS I know its Off Topic in a way but listen for your self !



Gotta love the Old Reels and Recorded VHS Tapes ! that people Find and convert to post on You Tube
or we would never know !

as we had a devastated earth quakes in japan this month is there more to come ? as the great big one ! is an Object in space causing it ! could it be another planet or dark dead star ? who knows





Im Skeptical like most here on ATS but what i found is this page from the New Science Encyclopedia 1987 does this exist ? Is it for real ? Does Any member have a copy (Book)
of this New Science 1987 Encyclopedia

can someone explain to me why this is in the book! showing a Dead Star a Tenth planet and a Equal Pull ? between those Objects and the Pioneer 10 & 11 Probes

Stead Star in 1987 New Science Encyclopedia
tenth planet 4.7 billion miles ! ?
Dead Star 50 billion miles ??
Equal Pull ? what ?




Just throwing these out there on the Table Board

(Bad Astronomy & Universe Today forum )
Thread: 1987 New Science and Invention Encyclopedia
www.bautforum.com...

1987 New Science and Invention Encyclopedia Truth or Hoax?, page 1
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Possibly as Large as Jupiter;
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered
By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1
planet-x.150m.com...

Largest planet in the solar system could be about to be discovered - and it's up to four times the size of Jupiter

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:52 AM on 14th February 2011

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...


Planet X Nibiru Announcement well maybe not nibiru but you get the Idea


Saturday, February 26, 2011
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered
originalscientist.blogspot.com...

and for the Truly conspirators
(THE TRUTH BEHIND THE SCENES)

NIBIRU (TYCHE) PLANET X Admitted by Scientists – NASA shuts down Space Telescope ‘WISE’!!
Posted on February 19, 2011
thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpress.com...

Originally posted by Sky watcher

Nibiru does not exist,

What is coming is WORMWOOD!!!!
.

What's in a name???? I call it Rex.

Originally posted by NyxOne

You do realise you're posting a video originally uploaded by a man who was outed as a complete fraud and a total liar, right?


Again.

A complete fraud and total liar, strong, have you got any proof for these very strong words or is that just a hyperbolic way of saying someone was proven wrong, to your satisfaction, using this type of inflammatory language does your cause absolutely no good whatsoever and is literally wrong, meaning by your own standards you are a complete fraud and a total liar, that is not my opinion just an extension of your own "logic".

Originally posted by puppet00x
reply to post by Ghost375

 

SUN & NIBIRU COLLIDE

About a week ago a huge object entered the Sun, it looked bigger than Venus or Mercury.
And it never came out the other side.
So, it not just by passed it but it entered the Sun. Now look.


stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov...


Sincerely , puppet00x.

stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov...

[snip]

Are you honestly of the belief that no-one would notice something on a collision course with our own Sun, something that is supposedly larger than Jupiter, no less?

reply to post by Ghost375


Nice to see someone stepping outside the box for some critical thinking!

All these assumptions based on a peice of space that has been blacked out on Google sky...

Here's a few simple solutions to find out if anything is there and being hidden or if it's just a simple missing tile..

Firstly, watch google sky for a few weeks. If there is a moving object they want to hide, they will black out the other tiles as it moves across the plane... Easy way to tell 100% if there's a cover-up.. Just keep track of where the original blacked out tile is and wait to see it it is replaced and the next tile blacked out.

Then maybe, someone personally, go to an observitory and take a pic of that particular co-ordinate and post it...

Case would be solved once and for all either way..

A picture speaks a 1000 words (or in this case , mathamatical equasions)....

reply to post by Ironclad


Like it, good thinking dude, I hope you didn't get wet while you were out of the box!

reply to post by CLPrime


Ah, thank you SO MUCH for this. I'm not that great at math (There's a reason I'm an Art Major here, lol!) and to see somethign logically picked apart like that is wonderful. Sure, crazy stuff happens, but I really, really really wish people would use logic when they think about stuff like this-so that when the real thing comes along we can see it for what it is. (Not suggesting "the real thing" is Planet X or what have you, just in the general sense of the term.)

reply to post by Ironclad


Good thinking.

Though I believe that there are other places you can often get the info on a supposed "blacked out" part of the sky, such as Skymap.com, etc. Anyhow, think logically first. It is of my own opinion that I don't think something that's close to the earth and that dangerous can be hidden anyhow. Why? Because the governments of the world are not the only ones with nice, sparkly, powerful telescopes. Besides, if somethign BIG really was going to hit us, well, like another poster said, it'd be quick.

Another thought-why so much focus on c/2010 X1? Because it's closer? I don't know, but peeps 9not necessarily you, ) need to keep in mind ALL the crap floating out in space.

reply to post by Ironclad


Except Google Sky is not a real time map of the sky. It is simply pictures taken from a variety of missions stitched together. As a result, nothing is going to move.

Pretty sure Pioneer 10 didn't cross into Interstellar space in 1983.

reply to post by The Asgard



It was going towards the edge of interstellar space

Pioneer 10 was first to leave the Solar System

When the interplanetary probe Pioneer 10 left Earth on March 2, 1972, it was indeed off on a pioneering mission. In fact, the spacecraft led the way to all exploration of deep space. Pioneer 10 was the first probe to travel through the Asteroid Belt and the first craft to explore Jupiter. On June 13, 1983, it became the first space probe ever to travel further than the Sun's most distant planet.


Since passing the outer planets, despite dwindling power onboard, Pioneer 10 has been sending back information by radio as it heads into interstellar space. Eventually it will fly into the so-called heliopause, that part of space where the Sun's influence ends and true interstellar space begins. No spacecraft from Earth has reached there yet.

Nothing heard. Unfortunately, a signal from Pioneer 10 was not received back home on Earth by NASA's Deep Space Network (DSN) during the last contact attempt February 7, 2003.

Nothing heard. Unfortunately, a signal from Pioneer 10 was not received back home on Earth by NASA's Deep Space Network (DSN) during the last contact attempt February 7, 2003.

After more than 30 years, the venerable Pioneer 10 spacecraft may have sent its last signal to Earth. The last time Pioneer's very weak signal had been received by DSN was on January 22, 2003.

NASA engineers reported that Pioneer 10's radioisotope power source had decayed, and the distant spacecraft now might not have enough power to send transmissions all the way home to Earth.

The previous three contacts, including the January 22 signal, had been very faint with no telemetry received. The last time a Pioneer 10 contact returned telemetry data was April 27, 2002. Now, NASA has no additional contact attempts planned for Pioneer 10.

Passing Pluto. In 1983, Pioneer 10 became the first human-made object to pass the orbit of Pluto, the most distant planet from the Sun.

www.spacetoday.org...

a more legit site

( NASA)

Pioneer 10 Mission profile
quest.nasa.gov...

Pioneer 10 was the first ever to encounter Jupiter survive its intense radiation, and was the first probe to leave the realm of the planets and enter the edges of interstellar space for the first time in history! That major event occurred when Pioneer 10 became the first artifact to "leave the Solar System" on June 13, 1983 when it passed beyond the orbit of farthest known planet. Pioneer 10 is currently over 6 billion miles away with round-trip communications taking over 18 hours at the speed of light of 186,000 mile per second! Pioneer 10 is now searching for the solar wind termination shock and the edge of interstellar space. It carries with it a plaque heralding a message of its origin to a possible extraterrestrial intelligence that may find it some day.

reply to post by loveguy

The item I'm speaking of is black against a back-drop of more black, with little bits of points of light scattered about. We know (points of light) they are there because we see them. Just because this black thing isn't visible without certain optics, doesn't mean it isn't there.

That is baloney. Regardless of the make up of Elenin it is going to reflect light. Even if Elenin were 1/2 the reflectiveness of the Moon it would still be visible to the naked eye at the distance it lies.

Can you see a rock? Can you see an ice cube? Can you see liquid nitrogen? None of these give off light. All of them are visible because they reflect light. They don't emit light, they reflect light.

Albedo

So Elenin which is a comet may have a coma or diffuse "cloud" around it which is as large as the Earth or larger. The mass is negligible. Do not equate size with mass when it comes to comets. There is a nucleus and a coma.

reply to post by Thepreye

meaning by your own standards you are a complete fraud and a total liar, that is not my opinion just an extension of your own "logic".

Actually that is not true at all is it? It is just your statement and nothing more. There isn't even enough in your post to ascertain whether or not this is your opinion.

The facts speak for themselves. The person in question was a fraud and complete liar. Just because you are unaware of the circumstances is meaningless.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by loveguy

 

The item I'm speaking of is black against a back-drop of more black, with little bits of points of light scattered about. We know (points of light) they are there because we see them. Just because this black thing isn't visible without certain optics, doesn't mean it isn't there.

That is baloney. Regardless of the make up of Elenin it is going to reflect light. Even if Elenin were 1/2 the reflectiveness of the Moon it would still be visible to the naked eye at the distance it lies.

Can you see a rock? Can you see an ice cube? Can you see liquid nitrogen? None of these give off light. All of them are visible because they reflect light. They don't emit light, they reflect light.

Albedo

So Elenin which is a comet may have a coma or diffuse "cloud" around it which is as large as the Earth or larger. The mass is negligible. Do not equate size with mass when it comes to comets. There is a nucleus and a coma.

Hence, IR optics. It emits enough light to be seen through optics.

I may be in the wrong, but it seems to me your argument is that if you can't see it without your own eyes, and not using special optic enhancement technology, well then , it just isn't there.

I apologize if I'm wrong.

reply to post by loveguy

Hence, IR optics. It emits enough light to be seen through optics.

I may be in the wrong, but it seems to me your argument is that if you can't see it without your own eyes, and not using special optic enhancement technology, well then , it just isn't there.

I apologize if I'm wrong.

You're halfway there. If an object is big enough and close enough and should be visible to the naked eye and you can't detect it then it isn't there. Allow me to substitute here.

If an object is big enough and close enough to and should be visible using instrument X and you can't detect it with X then it isn't there.

Test this with Elenin. The claim is that it is 1.5x the size of Earth. That's a lot larger than Mars. Can you see Mars? Is Mars ever too far away to see?

So we if Mars can be seen without a telescope and Elenin is bigger than Mars then we should be able to see Elenin without a telescope.

It's rather simple isn't it?

Since we can't see Elenin then we can start to think about why.
1. Maybe Elenin is much farther away than stated.
2. Maybe Elenin is much smaller than stated.
3. Maybe Elenin is farther away and smaller than stated.

With binoculars we can see the moons of Jupiter. With a small telescope we can see the cloud bands on Jupiter. Can either of these allow us to see Elenin? No.

reply to post by stereologist


I get it, we are saying the same thing, aren't we?

Hi Ghost:

Originally posted by Ghost375Using data published by nasa, and assuming Nibiru is in Elenin's position, I calculated the mass of the hypothetical object. The planet X is roughly five times the size of Earth.

Your presentation failed to mention that we had a Sun/Earth/ELEnin alignment last year on Sept. 27, 2010 when the Earth axis shifted 3 inches with the 8.8 Chile Quake:

www.youtube.com...

Your calculations are off by a LOT, because you trying to figure the mass of an unknown object that is orbiting on the ecliptic plane. In fact, this object is MUCH larger than you suggest and is more likely to be a brown dwarf star with multiple planets/moons in orbit.

ssd.jpl.nasa.gov...

Run the program backwards to match up the dates for March 11, 2011, September 27, 2010 and September 4, 2010 where Earth experienced large quakes at each of these conjunction/alignments. Everyone should realize that a mere comet is not going to create these kinds of stresses on the Earth.

www.youtube.com...

25 Symptoms Of Planet X

You should also realize that the earth change events have been escalating with global warming of all the planets, increased volcanoes, earthquakes, rogue tides, sinking islands, migrating magnetic poles, migrating animal deaths, ocean conveyor interruptions, earth wobble, etc.. Greenland had sunrise 2 days early, because this ELEnin object is NO COMET; but something with a massive gravity well into which the Earth is leaning right now as we speak. The Earth poles are not shifting, but are migrating due to the approach of a brown dwarf star with massive magnetic field and polarity that is attempting to wrestle polarity control from the Sun.

Planet X Event Timeline

This event timeline was created from the NASA data showing first conjunction on March 11, 2011, perigee on September 11, 2011, second conjunction (pole shift) on September 26, 2011 and third conjunction (pole shift reversal) on or before November 22, 2011. The nearest point in our encounter with this massive object is October 17, 2011 at .232 AU, or 21.56 million miles. By that time the Earth will have been through a roller coaster ride of pole shift and pole shift reversal that will terraform this planet, which is why the Rothschilds, Gates and their bankster pals are running for their underground bunkers. That is why FEMA has bought billions in food for the seven million elites in the USA that are preparing to live in their New World Order without you.

This Is What Google And NASA Are Hiding

This link shows you what Google and NASA are hiding from the sheeple. If and when you wake up, you may want to find a good Planet X Safe Zone that should include some kind of cavern/cave with a water supply.

PXGuy

Originally posted by PlanetXGuy
Hi Ghost:

Originally posted by Ghost375Using data published by nasa, and assuming Nibiru is in Elenin's position, I calculated the mass of the hypothetical object. The planet X is roughly five times the size of Earth.

Your presentation failed to mention that we had a Sun/Earth/ELEnin alignment last year on Sept. 27, 2010 when the Earth axis shifted 3 inches with the 8.8 Chile Quake:

www.youtube.com...

Your calculations are off by a LOT, because you trying to figure the mass of an unknown object that is orbiting on the ecliptic plane. In fact, this object is MUCH larger than you suggest and is more likely to be a brown dwarf star with multiple planets/moons in orbit.

ssd.jpl.nasa.gov...

Run the program backwards to match up the dates for March 11, 2011, September 27, 2010 and September 4, 2010 where Earth experienced large quakes at each of these conjunction/alignments. Everyone should realize that a mere comet is not going to create these kinds of stresses on the Earth.

www.youtube.com...

25 Symptoms Of Planet X

You should also realize that the earth change events have been escalating with global warming of all the planets, increased volcanoes, earthquakes, rogue tides, sinking islands, migrating magnetic poles, migrating animal deaths, ocean conveyor interruptions, earth wobble, etc.. Greenland had sunrise 2 days early, because this ELEnin object is NO COMET; but something with a massive gravity well into which the Earth is leaning right now as we speak. The Earth poles are not shifting, but are migrating due to the approach of a brown dwarf star with massive magnetic field and polarity that is attempting to wrestle polarity control from the Sun.

Planet X Event Timeline

This event timeline was created from the NASA data showing first conjunction on March 11, 2011, perigee on September 11, 2011, second conjunction (pole shift) on September 26, 2011 and third conjunction (pole shift reversal) on or before November 22, 2011. The nearest point in our encounter with this massive object is October 17, 2011 at .232 AU, or 21.56 million miles. By that time the Earth will have been through a roller coaster ride of pole shift and pole shift reversal that will terraform this planet, which is why the Rothschilds, Gates and their bankster pals are running for their underground bunkers. That is why FEMA has bought billions in food for the seven million elites in the USA that are preparing to live in their New World Order without you.

This Is What Google And NASA Are Hiding

This link shows you what Google and NASA are hiding from the sheeple. If and when you wake up, you may want to find a good Planet X Safe Zone that should include some kind of cavern/cave with a water supply.

PXGuy

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You do realise Terral has been proven wrong and has subsequently fled in shame because nothing happened on either the 4th or the 15th, yes?

Hi Prime:

Originally posted by CLPrimeConclusion:
A 1.5-Earth-mass object at Elenin's location does not account for an axial tilt. "How can an earthquake cause an earth shift that requires a force greater than the mass of the earth itself?" It doesn't have to, because your "math" is contrived and full of holes and false assumptions.

This object broke through the ecliptic plane on March 4, 2011 and ascends above the plane, while traveling 100,000 miles per hour and 2.4 million miles each day. Since we are not dealing with straight lines, this object can be many times Jupiter size and provide these results.

Earth Axis shift Caused By Nemesis > Our Sun's Companion Star?

I believe this article speaks to something near the truth on this topic that we have an inbound super-cold brown dwarf star cloaked inside a proton field and massive gravity well that allows you to see the stars in the distance. The evidence seems to indicate that the dwarf star has multiple planets in orbit that includes Planet X, but Earth is being affected by the gravity and magnetic polarity of the dwarf star itself more than any of the lesser planets.

Originally posted by CLPrimeThe earthquake tilted the Earth by causing a shift in the Earth's mass.

With all respect, I believe your hypothesis to be incorrect. Both the earthquake and Earth axis shift were caused by the Earth passing between the Sun and this massive dark star that started the chain reaction of quake, shift, tsunami, reactor breach, reactor power outage, reactor meltdown. In fact, the presence of hundreds and hundreds of subsequent 4-6 magnitude quakes appears to point to the north Japan island breaking off and sliding into the ocean:

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by CLPrimeThe force you calculated is wrong...earthquakes regularly and consistently have enough energy to tilt the Earth, and to suggest that this one example is due to some nearby planet is irrational.

The 8.8 Chile Quake did indeed take place with the 3-inch axis shift last year on Feb. 27, 2010, but that was also on a Sun/Earth/ELEnin alignment. I am interested in other dates where axis shifts have taken place with earthquakes if you know of any off hand.

Originally posted by CLPrimeAnd, even if a planet did exist where Elenin is claimed to be, it would not be causing the Earth to shift on its axis - it would be tugging on us, not tilting us.

That thesis assumes the Sun, Earth and the dwarf star are on the same ecliptic plane, when in this case the three celestial bodies are not on the same plane. The fact is that the angle alignment differential can accommodate a MUCH larger incoming object than OP suggests and we could very well be looking at an inbound object with 5 times the mass of Jupiter. After all, no mere comet is bringing a gravity well to the center of our solar system that causes Greenland to have sunrise two days early. I am afraid that what happened in Japan is just the beginning ...

PXGuy