How they Built the Great Pyramid of Egypt

reply to post by SLAYER69


Thank you again Slayer for filling my head with all kinds of new things to read about, research, and enjoy! I have been reading up on Egyptian history since reading your OP, I watched a show tonight about Aknatan ( probably not spelled right) and his son, most interesting. Most intriguging!

reply to post by space cadet


It was my pleasure.
I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Still reading through thread but I have couple of a questions.

All this dragging of stone blocks should have left evidence behind on the actual blocks. Is there any?

The use of water as a lubricant would have eventually formed a paste. Traces should be able to be found in the grain of the blocks. Has it?

Damage to the side the block was draged on should be visible no matter how hard the rock is. Can this be seen?

BTW my view is man did it but we truely do not know how, yet.

I am just curious, so perhaps someone can give me an answer on these questions.

Dr. Zahi Hawass says here.

The name of Khufu and his pyramid is always attached to a popular notion that the pyramid was built by slaves.
But that was not the case, because the workers built their own tombs near the pyramid of Khufu, and prepared their tombs for eternity like nobles and officials.
They were also paid by the king, or worked instead of paying tax.
This pyramid indicates that they were proud to build the tomb of their great god.

guardians.net...

Besides as said there that they were paid by the king, or worked instead of paying tax, what is the decisive evidence that proofs without the shadow of a doubt that those workers who did built their own tombs indeed as discovered near the Great Pyramid, where actually involved by building it, instead of where involved in building or doing completely other things then building the Great Pyramid?

Then the following, all those countless blocks of stone did come from several quarries, how come they did not find the same kind of tombs of the workers there, because I assume that all those workers in those quarries must also not have been slaves then and proud to build the tomb of their great god?

Then the following.

Khufu used the granite quarry in Aswan, basalt from the oasis, and white fine limestone from Tura. The name of Khufu has been found written in the alabaster quarry at Hatnub. Two tablets bearing his name have been found in the Sinai. His name has also been found in Bubastis. It has also been inscribed on a temple at Byblos (Lebanon), which might imply that he sent an expedition there to bring back cedar wood that was used in the construction of his boats which were found in 1945 on the south side of his pyramid. Finally, his name was found written in the western desert to the north of Abu Simbel and northwest of Toshka, where they took the diorite to be used in the statues.

guardians.net...

I assume that all those countless blocks of stone where transported from out those quarries over let me call them “roads” or such, using possibly enormous amounts of all kind of wooden tools and runners and rope as you can see in that link below, how come they never did find those used “roads” crossing the desert who must have been filled with remains of broken blocks and used broken wooden tools and ropes and such?

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You've brought up so very good points.

First let me say I'm not a big fan of Dr. Zahi Hawass, However he is a good starting point to get the basics down then verify what he has to say.

Regarding the dragging of the blocks. I agree. IF and that's a Big if there is an internal ramp that hasn't been found yet then the evidence of dragging my still be hidden away inside. French architect, Jean-Pierre Houdin has shown how the Grand Gallery could have been used to help construct the Kings chamber etc. The images I've posted do show massive amounts of wear and tear. If not from use then what are we left with as far as the reasoning behind such obvious signs of wear?

The blocks themselves the vast majority are still within the Pyramid itself. If there were any signs of dragging a finishing touch could have been done on the spot so the blocks could fit into place.

All theory and conjecture of course.

reply to post by SLAYER69

Regarding the dragging of the blocks. I agree. IF and that's a Big if there is an internal ramp that hasn't been found yet then the evidence of dragging my still be hidden away inside. French architect, Jean-Pierre Houdin has shown how the Grand Gallery could have been used to help construct the Kings chamber etc. The images I've posted do show massive amounts of wear and tear. If not from use then what are we left with as far as the reasoning behind such obvious signs of wear?

I don't believe he's referring to the pyramid itself. It almost seems like a deflection of his question but I'm sure you just didn't understand what was being asked. He's asking why do you think there is no signs of roads where the huge blocks would have been dragged along. Where is all the broken tackle along the way and evidence of transporting the huge pieces? Not about the mechanism inside the pyramid that was used to seal it off.

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I'll let him/her answer/question for themselves.


I do appreciate the interest though

reply to post by SLAYER69


Good point Slayer. It was just that when I read the post I knew exactly what the poster was referring to and wanting to discuss with you. I mean the title of the thread is, How they Built the Great Pyramid of Egypt. There is no questioning in that title, you are stating that thread is how it was done. This leads one to believe that you, the author of the thread, know how the great pyramid was built and are willing to share this with everyone.

Well, you see there are a few posters that have questions as to why you believe it was done in this fashion and they question some of the techniques. Or is this one of those instances where our opinion is what they want and we are being played? I'm not sure. Anyway, I do find the topic interesting as hell. Seeing how there is no one who claims to know how it was done and here the title of the thread says you are about to let everyone in on this mystery! Good stuff here my friend.

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Some would get that impression if they only read the title.
Some only do just that.

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Regarding the dragging of the blocks. I agree. IF and that's a Big if there is an internal ramp that hasn't been found yet then the evidence of dragging my still be hidden away inside.

Has been speculations as to the construction ramps. Interesting read on this website.

The bottom of the quarry slopes slightly upwards to the north toward what would later become the Khafre causeway. Massive amounts of limestone, sand, tafla (desert clay), and gypsum debris now fill the center of the quarry. Lehner speculates this material might be remnants of the pyramid construction ramps, which the workers removed and dumped back into the quarry to fill it at the end of the project. The largest blocks of bedrock, isolated by channels, still exist between the main quarry and the Sphinx to the east. Here you can see, roughed out of the bedrock but still attached, a 50-100 ton block like those the builders used in the Khafre and Menkaure temples.

www.aeraweb.org...

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Thanks...

Here is an interesting read from National Geographic....

Who Built the Pyramids?
An estimated 20,000 to 30,000 workers built the Pyramids at Giza over 80 years. Much of the work probably happened while the River Nile was flooded.

Huge limestone blocks could be floated from quarries right to the base of the Pyramids. The stones would likely then be polished by hand and pushed up ramps to their intended positions.

It took more than manual labor, though. Architects achieved an accurate pyramid shape by running ropes from the outer corners up to the planned summit, to make sure the stones were positioned correctly. And priests-astronomers helped choose the pyramids' sites and orientations, so that they would be on the appropriate axis in relation to sacred constellations.

From stone pusher to priest, every worker would likely have recognized his or her role in continuing the life-and-death cycle of the pharaohs, and thereby in perpetuating the glory of Egypt.

reply to post by SLAYER69


This is an awesome thread, great job Slayer.

The work involved was certainly shocking and worthy of awe from our modern point. Even for that time the advances used were while basic in premise outstanding for the usage.


I can see another way that might have helped with the dragging of the stones and there is an abundance of it nearby. Sand is all over and can easily make things glide with ease across other surfaces. On some surfaces it might leave little evidence or could be thought of as natural erosion. It would also be helpful in removing some of the nasty tool marks left behind.

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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

Regarding the dragging of the blocks. I agree. IF and that's a Big if there is an internal ramp that hasn't been found yet then the evidence of dragging my still be hidden away inside. French architect, Jean-Pierre Houdin has shown how the Grand Gallery could have been used to help construct the Kings chamber etc. The images I've posted do show massive amounts of wear and tear. If not from use then what are we left with as far as the reasoning behind such obvious signs of wear?

The blocks themselves the vast majority are still within the Pyramid itself. If there were any signs of dragging a finishing touch could have been done on the spot so the blocks could fit into place.

Hi SLAYER69, regarding my last question, I see that Jackflap did understand what I meant to say, but I realize that my way of writing could be a bit unclear.

He said it also in much better words,

Originally posted by jackflap
He's asking why do you think there is no signs of roads where the huge blocks would have been dragged along. Where is all the broken tackle along the way and evidence of transporting the huge pieces? Not about the mechanism inside the pyramid that was used to seal it off.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Fine, Since everybody wants an Alien ok here is an Egyptian Alien

Enjoy...
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edit on 19-3-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

That's no Alien. That's my Mummy!

Sorry couldn't resist.. great thread !

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I'm not sure if you read the link in the follow up reply?
You may have overlooked it.

They supposedly floated them down the NILE almost up to the base of the pyramid.
The NILE has since changed course many times as rivers often do.

Huge limestone blocks could be floated from quarries right to the base of the Pyramids. The stones would likely then be polished by hand and pushed up ramps to their intended positions.

Also as I stated in the OP.

No, I'm not claiming to have all the answers just posting what I've read and found from too many hours of reading and trying to get up to speed on this topic

reply to post by spacevisitor

I assume that all those countless blocks of stone where transported from out those quarries over let me call them “roads” or such, using possibly enormous amounts of all kind of wooden tools and runners and rope as you can see in that link below, how come they never did find those used “roads” crossing the desert who must have been filled with remains of broken blocks and used broken wooden tools and ropes and such?

According to this source, such roads have been found

In fact, many archaeological traces of specially constructed roads have been found in the areas surrounding mines and quarries, as well as around major structures.

www.touregypt.net...

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Might have been mentioned already, but just in case.

Bearing Stones or Ropes Х At Giza were found two stone implements, apнparently of Old Kingdom date, that were part of an unknown device to pull or lower three parallel running ropes over an edge or around a corner. The first one, of basalt (24 centimeters long, 18 centimeters wide), was found in the pyramid city of Khentkaus (fig. 6.45).142 Its head has grooves for three thick ropes and was inserted with an elongated mortise like a bearing into some device—probably not in stone, for it was fixed with a round peg or tenon. The second one, from the valley temple of Mycerinus. is of dark slate (37 centimeters long, 16 centimeters wide) and is broken (fig. 6.45).143 Its mortise is longer and has room for two pegs to be fixed.

hbar.phys.msu.ru...

Tools such as these mushroom shaped tools have been found at Giza. While their exact use is unknown, it is believed that these were a form of early pulley, with ropes being guided in the grooves.

puffin.creighton.edu...

I finally managed to read all 22 pages of posts before posting. A very interesting read though I found some of the posts, such as those claiming some lost telekinetic ability, laughable.

Most of the time estimates for placing blocks seem to be derived from 2,300,000 blocks in 20 years, requiring 1 block every 4.5 mins. The average size of these blocks would be ~39 cu. ft or roughly 3 ft x 3 ft x 4.3 ft (vol. of pyramid/2,300,000).

Where did the figure of 2.3 million come from and is it correct?

I found a website that quotes research suggesting that the figure is much lower, being around 570,912. Only ~80 blocks/day, or 1 every 18 mins, needs to be moved if this is true. Of course if you had more than one crew, the amount of time for positioning each block increases substantially. From the website, 40 crews placing blocks would mean each crew would only have to move 2 blocks a day.

WORLD-MYSTERIES.COM

Thanks for the OP Slayer69.

Can some one on here tell me about which star the spinx is looking at?

A large percentage of blocks used were quarried very close the pyramids.
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In this one here you can see just how close.
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