How they Built the Great Pyramid of Egypt

reply to post by zatara


Sorry for taking so long to respond.

No, nothing similar has been found thus far in the second pyramid. Here is an outline of the passages and chamber that have been found.

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They haven't found anything equivalent to the Queens Chamber, Antechamber nor the Grand Gallery. Which may be true because if the main purpose of both the Grand Gallery and Antechamber were of being part of a mechanism for hauling and lifting the Largest blocks of granite for the Kings chamber then it figures that since the second one doesn't have those locations then there wouldn't be a need for them.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

No, not really. There may not be any evidence before because it was never needed. As far as after? I'm a firm believer in the saying that knowledge is power. For me it's easy to conceive that the Egyptian Priests and in this case the "Engineer" would have guarded his knowledge and kept the "How it works" secret. One could ask has there really been a need to use it again?

No offence, but don’t you think that that contradicts completely with what you said here?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

I love watching those attempts at reconstructing the techniques used.

Now imagine them having nothing else besides farming to do? and also give them another 20 years or more to perfect the process.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Also, this is why I'm excited about the prospect of a yet to be discovered location within the second pyramid of Giza [Khafre's]

Can you fill me in here?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Finally there hasn't been any collaborating evidence of this system being used in other locations "YET"

Right, so don't you find that also not quite remarkable?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
New discoveries are coming to light all the time.

No doubt about that, but are you convinced that they will all be made publicly known?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Now, let me ask you this. What do you think the "Antechamber" was and how was it used? What were the purpose for the round notches?

It's easy to disagree with it yet what other solutions can we come up with?

I really don’t know so far what the purpose for the round notches was.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
The Grand Gallery itself is an architectural marvel.

I agree.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
At the top of the Gallery there was a very well worn stone. "The Great Step"

The stone in question has been repaired and that once well worn stone is now all but forgotten. Now, I'm not saying there isn't a legitimate reason for the repair but If you hadn't seen a photo of the original condition one would not have known how badly is was worn.

The stone indicates that it was heavily used and NOT the result of Tomb raiders etc. In fact the entire interior of the Great pyramid shows massive amounts of Wear and tear from some sort of repeated activity.

Also notice in both the above and below images the small passage leading through the Antechamber to the Kings chamber there is what appears to be yet again another repair job. These repairs have covered up some very important clues for the use of the Grand Gallery and the Antechamber. .

Covered up?
Well, ask yourself the question then, do you think or even believe that there was really a need to repair it the way they did it?
And if not, don’t you find that also very remarkable indeed?

I need some more time to look closer to the rest of what you said about it.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
No offence, but don’t you think that that contradicts completely with what you said here?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

I love watching those attempts at reconstructing the techniques used.

Now imagine them having nothing else besides farming to do? and also give them another 20 years or more to perfect the process.

No, it doesn't contradict at all if you keep it in context. The first reply you quoted was about the possible function of the Antechamber and Grand Gallery hauling up the giant granite slabs for the Kings chamber. If it were a pulley system the Engineer may have kept it [And other mechanical understandings] secret to maintain his worth.

The second one you quoted and appear to be confused about was me giving my opinion and answering about the speed with which the bulk of the pyramid blocks [Non-Kings chamber] were placed. They had at-least 20 years or more for trial and error during the construction.

Two completely different topics.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Also, this is why I'm excited about the prospect of a yet to be discovered location within the second pyramid of Giza [Khafre's]

"Can you fill me in here?"

What?

That there may still be locations in the Second pyramid that have not been found yet?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Finally there hasn't been any collaborating evidence of this system being used in other locations "YET"

"Right, so don't you find that also not quite remarkable?"

Why?
For example there is only 1 Great Sphinx.
So why is it hard to believe that if the antechamber and Grand Gallery were part of a mechanism that it was only needed the one time?

Never needing to repeat it's design and or function.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
New discoveries are coming to light all the time.

No doubt about that, but are you convinced that they will all be made publicly known?

Does everything have to a conspiracy?
I'm sure there are things/items the public doesn't have access to.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Now, let me ask you this. What do you think the "Antechamber" was and how was it used? What were the purpose for the round notches?

It's easy to disagree with it yet what other solutions can we come up with?

"I really don’t know so far what the purpose for the round notches was."

But you are sure they couldn't be part of some sort of pulley system...

Originally posted by SLAYER69
At the top of the Gallery there was a very well worn stone. "The Great Step" ...

"Covered up?
Well, ask yourself the question then, do you think or even believe that there was really a need to repair it the way they did it?
And if not, don’t you find that also very remarkable indeed?"

Not really, more like an inconvenience for tourists. $$$$

I need some more time to look closer to the rest of what you said about it.

Take your time. I'll be here

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by spacevisitor
No offence, but don’t you think that that contradicts completely with what you said here?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

Now imagine them having nothing else besides farming to do? and also give them another 20 years or more to perfect the process.

No, it doesn't contradict at all if you keep it in context. The first reply you quoted was about the possible function of the Antechamber and Grand Gallery hauling up the giant granite slabs for the Kings chamber. If it were a pulley system the Engineer may have kept it [And other mechanical understandings] secret to maintain his worth.

Right, but you said in the quote above, “give them another 20 years or more to perfect the process”, and that is indeed how such things happens, so in order to keep it in context I thought that that was also the way the ancient Egyptians has done it, perfecting the process due the years.
But how could they have perfected the process of stone building to such a very high level that they were able to build [as assumed] the Great pyramid when as you think important building knowledge and other mechanical understandings was kept secret by Priests and "Engineers"?
You cannot perfect such a process if such important information is kept secret in my opinion.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
The second one you quoted and appear to be confused about was me giving my opinion and answering about the speed with which the bulk of the pyramid blocks [Non-Kings chamber] were placed.

They had at-least 20 years or more for trial and error during the construction.

Two completely different topics.

Oke, but doesn’t count what I said above regarding keeping certain important building knowledge secret not also for the at-least 20 years or more for trial and error during the construction then.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Finally there hasn't been any collaborating evidence of this system being used in other locations "YET"

"Right, so don't you find that also not quite remarkable?"

Why?
For example there is only 1 Great Sphinx.
So why is it hard to believe that if the antechamber and Grand Gallery were part of a mechanism that it was only needed the one time?

Never needing to repeat it's design and or function.

Why not, we speak here about a possible used pulley system right, which if it really was used that way would have been a very important invention and could have been used in an adapted version in other building projects later on.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
New discoveries are coming to light all the time.

No doubt about that, but are you convinced that they will all be made publicly known?

Does everything have to a conspiracy?
I'm sure there are things/items the public doesn't have access to.

Is saying that important building knowledge and other mechanical understandings was kept secret by Priests and "Engineers" not also a conspiracy then?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Now, let me ask you this. What do you think the "Antechamber" was and how was it used? What were the purpose for the round notches?

It's easy to disagree with it yet what other solutions can we come up with?

"I really don’t know so far what the purpose for the round notches was."

But you are sure they couldn't be part of some sort of pulley system...

Where did I said that I was sure of that?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
At the top of the Gallery there was a very well worn stone. "The Great Step" ...

"Covered up?
Well, ask yourself the question then, do you think or even believe that there was really a need to repair it the way they did it?
And if not, don’t you find that also very remarkable indeed?"

Not really, more like an inconvenience for tourists. $$$$

????

The way you said it here below, did give me the impression that you thought yourself that it was done for another reason then for an inconvenience for tourists.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
At the top of the Gallery there was a very well worn stone. "The Great Step"

The stone in question has been repaired and that once well worn stone is now all but forgotten.
Now, I'm not saying there isn't a legitimate reason for the repair but If you hadn't seen a photo of the original condition one would not have known how badly is was worn.

The stone indicates that it was heavily used and NOT the result of Tomb raiders etc. In fact the entire interior of the Great pyramid shows massive amounts of Wear and tear from some sort of repeated activity.

Also notice in both the above and below images the small passage leading through the Antechamber to the Kings chamber there is what appears to be yet again another repair job. These repairs have covered up some very important clues for the use of the Grand Gallery and the Antechamber.

But again, it’s clear to me now that my way of writing is very confusing for you, as I do not seem to understand yours, so I assume that you agree with me that it is therefore better that we stop our discussion here.

All the best.

has anyone ever tried to build the said pyramid but in a smaller scale.

Originally posted by zteam2012
has anyone ever tried to build the said pyramid but in a smaller scale.

Yes they failed.
They tried all know methods of cutting rock with copper tools, they gave up and said it wasn't possible, so they brought in diamond edged cutters. They then wanted to transport the rocks via a boat on a river(like the nile). The boat sunk. So they moved the rocks with trucks. They then tried to move the stone over sand with a log base for support, the logs sank deeper and deeper into the sand and were useless. They then gave up because if they couldn't even do these tasks without new man tech, then they would never be able to copy the pry amid with its alignments and precision.

Only way I could think of would have been to use those 144,000 missing limestone slabs as a runway to slide or roll the blocks.

Problem there is that the difference in static VS dynamic friction between granite and limestone is quite large even wet. Sliding the blocks could have accomplished the final finishing and smoothing.

No sign of any wooden or stone rollers except for possibly the giant columns left in Greek ruins. They could have been used for their massive fllywheel effect.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Right, but you said in the quote above, “give them another 20 years or more to perfect the process”, and that is indeed how such things happens, so in order to keep it in context I thought that that was also the way the ancient Egyptians has done it, perfecting the process due the years.

I appreciate the continuing discussion and interest in the thread. Thank you. Now for some clarification. It appears you are either confused with the wording or context. I'll give you this final reply.

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The reference of “give them another 20 years or more to perfect the process” was regarding the average work crews learning through trial and error the best process in moving and placing of the bulk of the Average building blocks. The average size of these blocks would be ~39 cu. ft or roughly 3 ft x 3 ft x 4.3 ft and weigh 2.5 Tons. There were Pyramids built before the Great Pyramid but the Average Work crews would have been new to their job building this Pyramid. Rookies. Automobiles have been around since the beginning of the last century still a new driver needs to learn how to drive a car.

You don't think people would become more proficient in their endeavor by repeating a certain task over a period of years?

But how could they have perfected the process of stone building to such a very high level that they were able to build [as assumed] the Great pyramid when as you think important building knowledge and other mechanical understandings was kept secret by Priests and "Engineers"?
You cannot perfect such a process if such important information is kept secret in my opinion.

Second...
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The second reference was about what the "Engineer" would have possibly kept secret was the mathematical formula and physics behind "The how and why the Grand Gallery and Antechamber mechanism functioned"

In other words [IF the Grand Gallery and Antechamber were a mechanism ] for hauling and raising the much larger granite blocks of the Kings chamber how it could have worked, and the higher understanding behind the Physics and mathematical calculations in order to...

A. Design the mechanism,
B. Engineer the layout...
C. Plan the steps of construction
D. Build the Mechanism

and all the while never sharing and or revealing to the illiterate work force

E. The Physics behind the how and why it functions

Not the actual process of sled hauling a stone from the quarry and then placing the 'smaller average building block in place" elsewhere by the average work crew.

Sorry about the confusion

Why not, we speak here about a possible used pulley system right, which if it really was used that way would have been a very important invention and could have been used in an adapted version in other building projects later on.....

Is saying that important building knowledge and other mechanical understandings was kept secret by Priests and "Engineers" not also a conspiracy then?

Sure.
I believe the Priests and Engineers were firm believers in Scientia potentia est "knowledge is power". This is how it has always been. IMHO. The earliest cavemen may have kept the secret of creating fire from any competing tribe for local resources. The ancient bush tribesmen King/Leader may have kept his knowledge of the most fertile hunting grounds secret for the same reason. Even to this day we see large corporations keeping secrets from their competitors that would maintain their strategic advantage in any given field of business not to mention modern military of one nation from another..

The average illiterate Egyptian block cutter, puller and placer could have carried out their various tasks without ever understanding the basic math and physics on how certain things they were doing worked. Does the average person in this day and age know how the internal components of their cell phone/computers are manufactured or function? Why not? We have in the modern world the highest percentage of literacy in human history.

Knowledge is power....

so I assume that you agree with me that it is therefore better that we stop our discussion here.

All the best.

Fair enough.
I just replied to some of the questions you had raised.

PEACE

Thanks for this reply SLAYER69, I really appreciate it.

PEACE

reply to post by SLAYER69


I remember seeing the documentary of the french guy and him getting help with that sophisticated software. I think he was on to something. Also I think those pole wenches where real large if they fitted into those stone pivot bowls. But if the Queen chambers and King chambers and the grand gallery had only a purpose of being used as a housing for a pully mechanism, then I have this question. Why go to this great trouble and energy and wealth essentially to build this monument (not tomb because no mummies where found in them)? If they did stuff for function, what was the pyramids for? I think it was used for housing for a power system that was removed (I think that the pyramids are alot older than they say), essentially a reactor housing for some source of power. I don't believe that it was just the fancy of a leader that was considered god. For one, the god king needed priests and such. And so being this way everyone knew the score, the priests didn't believe he was a god (that went away when they first saw him or her take a dump or fall down whatever). But they did like being around wealth and power, so they went along for the ride and became a power themselves. And when you have rising powers in a group, there will be jealousy and conflict. Because the priest will hate the idea that the god king is spending resources (that could be used for their benefit) and years on a white elephant so to speak. So I can't see the god king being able to keep these individuals in line long enough to complete a 20 year project that used up alot of resources.

One question, what did they use to get the obelisks out of the granite floors (you can find pictures of incomplete or damaged ones still stuck in the ground)? I don't believe it was diarite balls and if so why build a small trench that you can barely squat in and is 8 feet deep. Either something was used to melt or soften stone and/or some type of machine was used to be lowered onto the floor and then a pattern was cut out of it.

This is only the begining.

the pyramids were built by the nephilim giants. each giant can lift 5 thousand pounds in each hand. This is why the elite use the pyramid in all their occult crap. This is why its on the dollar with the eye of lucifer atop it. the nephilim built this as worship to their "god" lucifer. those pyramids were there long before the pharoes. the pharoes just came after and added their garbage. Look at the other evidence of pyramids the world over...in remote jungles pyramids built with rock that was seemingly hauled from miles away. They just like to BS you and say humans did it but not even modern equipment can accomplish lifting these stones, all their fancy little discovery channel graphs and animations of pully systems is all bull. no amount of men can move those blocks in such a manner

But if you took a crew of 36 foot tall nephelims with insane strenght it would be like you picking up a uhaul box and moving it. The proof is in the pudding, they hide the nephilim bones they dig up and keep it hush hush about finding it. Archaeology is strictly controlled. they dont want the giant bones to be revealed because it would destroy their rediculous theory of evolution. Just google image search nephilim bones and see for yourself. some pics have gotten out by amatuer diggers.

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I thought about them using large block of wood or stone placed under it while they were chiseling away at the bottom then use ropes strapped around it and then lift it out of the pit.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Wow, great thread

It's true that you learn something new every day, for example I'd never heard or seen photos of the 'bent' pyramid before, very interesting.

Even more interesting to me though is the djed theory, that guy in the videos in my mind has come up with the most plausible theory so far.

Thanks OP, s+f

Originally posted by getoffmylawn
the pyramids were built by the nephilim giants. each giant can lift 5 thousand pounds in each hand. This is why the elite use the pyramid in all their occult crap. This is why its on the dollar with the eye of lucifer atop it. the nephilim built this as worship to their "god" lucifer. those pyramids were there long before the pharoes. the pharoes just came after and added their garbage. Look at the other evidence of pyramids the world over...in remote jungles pyramids built with rock that was seemingly hauled from miles away. They just like to BS you and say humans did it but not even modern equipment can accomplish lifting these stones, all their fancy little discovery channel graphs and animations of pully systems is all bull. no amount of men can move those blocks in such a manner

But if you took a crew of 36 foot tall nephelims with insane strenght it would be like you picking up a uhaul box and moving it. The proof is in the pudding, they hide the nephilim bones they dig up and keep it hush hush about finding it. Archaeology is strictly controlled. they dont want the giant bones to be revealed because it would destroy their rediculous theory of evolution. Just google image search nephilim bones and see for yourself. some pics have gotten out by amatuer diggers.

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Hey i'm all for alternative thinking but geez.

Just out of curiosity, why do you suppose these giants built the pyramids

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And...
If Aliens did help then why would they create such a disaster as the bent Pyramid?

Bent Pyramid....

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ec5da2fb1165.jpg[/atsimg]khufu's father Sneferu's South (Bent) Pyramid

The Bent Pyramid is a truly remarkable structure. It was built by Sneferu, father of Khufu, and is most notable for its bent shape, about halfway up, and the most intact casings of all the pyramids in Egypt. Sneferu founded the 4th dynasty, and may have finished, or even entirely built, the Pyramid at Meidum. This would give Sneferu at least three pyramids to his credit. Egyptologist have observed structural problems, which may have caused the builders to change the angle of inclination to 43°, 45 meters high, and giving the bent pyramid it's 2 angle shape....

Originally posted by SLAYER69

He seems to have found some practical use for these artifacts. I have yet to read any other non ceremonial explanation for their use or function. Even if his theoretical system is wrong what other practical purpose would they have? They look very much like some sort of stone age/megalithic tool. Great for a pivot ball joint?
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I recently watched "The Pyramid Code" by Dr. Carmen Boulter.

These artifacts are shown and are said to be carved from Quartz. If this is so (from the footage it seems to be) then I doubt they would be strong enough for a ball joint.

Only a small quibble as the counter weight idea makes as much, if not more, sense than any other.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned.

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Thanks for the info.
I posted that theory of his to add a variety to the mix.
Great contribution. Do you have a link?

reply to post by SLAYER69


Here is the link. (Hope it works, only just updated my mobile phone from a paper cup and a piece of string)


The Pyramid Code

It mentions the dish shape thingies at 20:09

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I hear ya. My two year old cell phone has been through the laundry now 3 times and STILL works.

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Thanks for link! The information presented and questions posed were mind blowing. I loved the quote "Are we looking in the wrong place or looking in the wrong way?"

The concept othat the Giza pyramids were built on existing platform was especially intriguing. I've always thought if you wanted to hide something you dig a real deep hole and bury it. Then bury something just below the surface since most peeople stop digging there. Perhaps there are unexplored mysteries below?

Cave complex may lie beneath Giza Pyramids