Modern Feminist Narcissism and the Sperm Bank

reply to post by TheRealTruth84


I think you are missing the point.
For many years women have a problem getting men to commit.
You seem to avoid that point.
Women have only just started taking matters into their own hands and pursueing parenthood through a different route than marriage.
We aren't talking about teenage girls who are using sperm banks.
We are talking mature women who have done the relationship route with no commitment to starting a family or dilly dallying about and often even lying and stringing women along that one day it will happen.
I think men have to accept their part of the blame in the whole shimozzle because if they don't do that, then it isn't going to move ahead.
You can't ignore what got us to this point. Feminism was partly to blame but there are way more factors involved.

reply to post by Whiffer Nippets


Wow, what an excellent post.
I have copies of U.K 1841 census forms and all my female ancestors were working as Linen Loomers and other similiar occupations from the AGE OF 10.
WAY BEFORE FEMINISM in the 1960s.
All feminism did was bring it out into the open that WOMEN AND FEMALES HAVE ALWAYS WORKED.
This being in the kitchen cooking ironing etc was only one PART OF THEIR LIFE.
They also were WORKING in FACTORIES, AT HOME and other places and it was expected from the age of 10. I have proof if anyone wants to see it.

reply to post by Flighty


I am a middle-aged man who has never been married, and I have no children. Nevertheless, I have always wanted to be a father, and have given my all to a few serious long term relationships. These women turned out to be liars. Not only lieing to me, but lieing to themselves They pretended to agree with my views, pretended to like the things I liked, only to find out 3, 4, 5, years later that they had been lieing the whole time. They wasted my time, I didn't waste theirs.

Then there was also the financial responsibility factor. Just about every woman I have ever dated had substantial credit card debt and irresponsible spending habits. One girlfriend racked up MY credit cards too.

reply to post by Flighty


I dont think anyone is trying to say that before feminism women didn't work. But you're absolutely right, neither WWII, nor the 60's won women the "right" to work. They always had the opportunity to work.

reply to post by Skogg


The only troll is the OP and his thread, which he no doubt started to garner stars and flags.

It's too bad the wrong kind of people are signing up at this site.

reply to post by StigShen


And you claim that you don't have issues with women.

It's quite obvious that you do and you're using this thread to place all the blame on feminists when you should be asking yourself some serious questions. Namely:

1. How did I allow this person to take advantage of me?
2. What could I have done to avoid being strung along for so long?
3. What do I really want out of a relationship and how do I get there?

Ask yourself these questions before you go and blame women for your troubles.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Skogg

 

The only troll is the OP and his thread, which he no doubt started to garner stars and flags.

It's too bad the wrong kind of people are signing up at this site.

If you don't like the thread, then don't participate.

And I find it pretty humorous that you are so shallow you would think that I care for two seconds about some silly stars and flags on some forum. Besides that, it appears to me that my detractors have actually garnered more star-power here anyhow. Which really is not surprising. Most folks are easily swayed by rhetoric and emotional appeal, women certainly, rather then detached logical contemplation and examination of these issues. But of course, when someone's belief system is challenged by facts that make a little too much sense, they will react venomously, with intense emotional appeal, hurling insults, puffing up their inflated ego and deluded sense of superiority.

reply to post by The Sword


This has nothing to do with my personal relationships Sword. The impact across society of the devastation of the family is apparent to anyone who is not deluded by the rhetoric.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by StigShen

 

And you claim that you don't have issues with women.

It's quite obvious that you do and you're using this thread to place all the blame on feminists when you should be asking yourself some serious questions. Namely:

1. How did I allow this person to take advantage of me?
2. What could I have done to avoid being strung along for so long?
3. What do I really want out of a relationship and how do I get there?

Ask yourself these questions before you go and blame women for your troubles.

For the fun of it though, I will go ahead and answer your little questions there.

1) Because a relationship is built on trust. That's what you do. You put yourself in a situation with someone where you can be taken advantage of.

2) Nothing. I had no way of knowing I was being lied to, or that these women were lieing to themselves.

3) I know exactly what I want out of a relationship. I get there by making it known to a woman exactly what I seek, and if she likes the idea, she can join me.


And just for the record here too, though some of my more serious relationships have ended in heartbreak, there is no open grudge over it. Who hasn't had heartbreak? (Well, one of my exes should step in front of a fast moving bus, but that's another story.) People just are who they are. I still talk to my exes, I dont hate them as people. They just were not fit to be my wife, or the mother of my children. I have a few girlfriends now that I see, and we both now that there is no real future together, that neither of us is the ideal match for the other or what we are really looking for. But we care for eachother, and enjoy eachother's company.

I have no grudge against women, as I have already told you time and time gain. My grudge is against this agenda that harms women and convinces them that this harm is liberation. I am not blaming women. I am just sick of seeing them being used.

The feminist movement as I understand it was a movement that aimed to achieve greater rights of self-determination for women. The ability for people, regardless of gender, to go about their lives with the ability to make whatever choices they want is fine by me, and I consider that a right.

However, one thing that I have noticed across the board, regardless of gender, is that people have a hard time understanding consequences. For some reason, people do things without considering the consequences, because they are ignorant of those consequences or because they are aware of them and choose to ignore them, for whatever reason.

I was raised by a single mother and I think I turned out great. Could things have been better? Maybe. Would I have benefited from the presence of a father figure? Maybe. One thing I do know is that my parents did not fully appreciate the consequences of having sex, which is that pregnancy is often the result.

My point is that feminism grants freedoms to women. Freedom leads to personal power to make decisions. With that power comes responsiblity. The question we should be asking is does feminism grant women a greater understanding of the consequences of being a feminist? I am a man, so I do not know. What I do know is that there is not a one size fits all truth that governs this debate.

It's pretty revealing that I try to logically discuss some important social issues here, and suddenly I am getting flamed as some woman-hater who must have a grudge because of some bad relationship. I am not the narcissist here, this has nothing to do with me. But for those who think otherwise, it is pretty telling as to their own thought process. They can't fathom the idea that I might actually be talking about this for anything other than selfish reasons.

reply to post by StigShen


With all due respect, the subject matter in question is of a delicate nature, and although a healthy discussion grounded upon logic and reason is appreciated, you cannot expect there to not be some inflammatory responses. After reading most of the posts in this thread, it seems as though people have a hard time challenging their own beliefs and thinking outside the box. As people, thats one of the hardest things to do. A sustained and respectful dialogue on this subject will eventually witness a calmer debate. If people still wanna come out and flame, it will only make them look bad.

reply to post by Nathwa


A reasonable post you have made there.

As far as consequences though, that is actually the "evil side" of feminism that I am talking about. I have no problem whatsoever with equality. There is absolutely no reason in the world why women can't vote, shouldn't have equal pay, etc.

The problems is that the feminist movement does not match rights with responsibility. It is a movement rife with hypocrisy. It constantly puts women in a position of victimhood. If women always think of themselves as victims, victims they will always be.

Rather than teaching women to make sound, rational reproduction decisions, the system rewards bad behavior. The system tells women that it's okay for them to be irresponsible and not think about the consequences of their actions, because men and/or the government will fix everything and take the responsibility. Then they turn around and tell women that they don't need men at all, that women are better off without men.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Skogg

 

The only troll is the OP and his thread, which he no doubt started to garner stars and flags.

It's too bad the wrong kind of people are signing up at this site.

It is too bad that the wrong kind of people are signing up at this site: people who accuse others of being of trolls. I can understand if you disagree with his posts, but how does calling him a troll make your argument more credible? The answer is it doesnt, it only makes you look like a jackass.

That aside, your posts have a lot of merit. You illustrate how feminism has broadened the horizons of womeon who for the longest time were limited in their ability to participate in society. I think that the concern that the OP has raised is that does the feminist movement teach women the consequences of their "freedom", or only that the have it? Tis the question.

reply to post by Nathwa


Oh, believe me, I expected to get flamed. I've gotten a lot worse than this too.

Still though, I would hope that eventually these folks who are so upset and offended by me would actually calm down and at least try to understand what I am saying without being so defensive.

reply to post by StigShen


I think that by conveying your personal experiences, it appeared to some that your thread was based upon personal experience. Experiencing something personally allows people to make broad sweeping assumptions or assessments on a given subject, and thats where I think the disconnect occured.

The choice / consequence argument of feminism you mention is concise. Therein lies the double edged sword. I do not think that the movement explicity states that women do not need men, although perhaps there are elements within the movement that advocate that. Its based on context: women are better without bad men in their lives, and I would tend to agree. Do women HAVE to have a man in their lives? No they do not. The choice should be there. The consequences should be understood.

reply to post by Nathwa


If a woman wants to be a mother, then yes, I say she has to have a man in her life.

As far as my personal stake in this, I don't mind sharing personal details of my own personal experiences, but that does not mean that this thread is about me or those experiences. This thread is about the article posted in the OP. And believe me, I have gone into enough discussions on this sort of material to know that whether or not I share some personal anecdotes, I will still be flamed as some jaded woman hater that can't get laid. But, I fight the good fight. Maybe here and there my words reach certain people. Maybe a young lady will read this and realize not only that she should take responsibility for herself, but that she can. That is true empowerment. Not the garbage the women's lib movement hands out.

Originally posted by StigShen
reply to post by Nathwa

 

If a woman wants to be a mother, then yes, I say she has to have a man in her life.

Ok, and just for philosophical purposes, is a bad man better then no man in a mother's life?

Originally posted by Nathwa


Ok, and just for philosophical purposes, is a bad man better then no man in a mother's life?

No, a woman would be better off alone. But here we dig into some of the more sinister yet subtle aspects of the feminist movement. How they demonize men, to the point where again, women think they are being victimized, that they are the victims of domestic violence, when they are in fact the perpetrators.

Here is an example of what I am talking about from my local newspaper...

Cashdollar said the first time she was scared of her ex-boyfriend was about 2 1/2 years ago, after he was alleged to have shoved her. She didn't report the incident to authorities. She was cleaning her bedroom when she said the abuse took place.

"I like my stuff a certain way. I took his brush and threw it across the room and he pushed me into the wall. Then he said he was sorry," she said.

www.poughkeepsiejournal.com...:d39a005d-091b-488a-8d 0d-d4ee7a36be20

So she was actually the person who initiated the violence, yet the newspaper is using her as the poster-child for victims of domestic violence in an emotionally charged piece in the wake of a police officer being murdered here when he intervened in a domestic violence murder in progress.

reply to post by StigShen


You can keep saying that you're not bitter but your posts just keep saying the opposite.

No one is being swayed by anything here. People are trying to point out your problems to you and you are refusing to see them.

That is ok though. I will leave it at that.