Tea Party Candidate Herman Cain Turns His Back on the African-American Community

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by AngryOne
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

There is no such animal as Anti White Racism so stop right there.

WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

Since the LA Riots has there been any Caucasians attacked based upon their race?

Wow,the media sure did a number on you.
To answer your question:Yes.You just never hear about it.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

If a Dem were to spew rhetoric make no mistake the DNC would sit the person down and order them to backoff all while telling them that if they do not that The DNC will no longer back them during the next cycle and will look for someone else.

HAHAHA! This must have been all in jest right?

I mean, a person couldnt seriously sit there with a straight face and say that the Dems do not back anyone who uses vile rhetoric..........

If you believe this, you are delusional beyond hope.

I do hope, for the sake of your intelligence , that you are trolling instead of taking the words coming out of your mouth seriously

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

If a Dem were to spew rhetoric make no mistake the DNC would sit the person down and order them to backoff all while telling them that if they do not that The DNC will no longer back them during the next cycle and will look for someone else.

HAHAHA! This must have been all in jest right?

I mean, a person couldnt seriously sit there with a straight face and say that the Dems do not back anyone who uses vile rhetoric..........

If you believe this, you are delusional beyond hope.

I do hope, for the sake of your intelligence , that you are trolling instead of taking the words coming out of your mouth seriously

John Edwards, Eliot Spitzer, James McGreevey just to name a few who have fallen and were ordered out.

Originally posted by Primal Scream
Dems, Repubs,Tea Partiers they are all the same,, one is no more racist than the other but don't try to tell that to the pitiful souls who have no other answer for someone who disagrees with them.

How true.

Dems or Republican or whoever it doesn't matter.

We will remain in the same position (Bent Over) regardless of which party wins Middle Class has always been the backbone of a strong economy.

reply to post by groingrinder

Who wrote that RACIST article? HOW DARE BLACK PEOPLE TRY TO GET AHEAD ON MERIT AND EFFORT? Don't blacks know they are supposed to live on the welfare doled out by Democrats instead of trying to succeed by the application of honest effort? How sad it is that some black people should use their God given intelligence and talents to succeed in a "white man's world" instead of using the system of racial quotas that allows a mediocre candidate to flourish simply based on his race?

Look, the article isn't saying anything like that. It is saying that meritocracy is a myth. By extension, white people can't expect to get into the high echelons of power just because they work hard. If that were the case, then your average wage slave would be president of the company that employs them! The fact of the matter is that "Work hard to succeed" is a simplified myth sold to the public-at-large. The fact of the matter is that it is especially mythical when minority groups are concerned.

This isn't because minorities are inferior. God, how I can't stand criticism of racial awareness as racist in and of itself. It's as if someone pointing out a racist system is getting accused of all the wrong-doing of that system! No, the reason that minorities of all sorts have a hard time progressing through the layers of power is that they have very few connections at the top, and they are visible outsiders. In politics this is especially true. It's all about who you know, and who likes you, and who thinks that you are a 'viable candidate.' Viable candidate often means "looks enough like the average shmuck to steal an election and get away with it." Unfortunately for [ethnic, linguistic, sexual, educational] minorities, the average American voter in most constituencies is a subliterate, vaguely white heterosexual. A gay black transsexual university professor isn't going to be perceived as a viable candidate in a conservative Anglo-American district.

edit: what a messy post I made, all over this thread. Here's the deal; the apartheid system of segregation may be dead and buried, but the status quo takes decades, centuries to change and the agents of racism have gone underground to continue their race war in secret [TEA PARTY].


final edit: If Mr. Cain were a white man, extolling the virtues of meritocracy and how hard he worked to get where he is, I would still say meritocracy is a myth! Whenever politicians give sob stories about their hard upbringing, I cannot feel pity for them - because they have powerful patrons and benefactors to get them where they are!

Most black people like this guy and others who are similar such as Clarence Thomas, have just been inwardly overwhelmed by the self-hatred that that they have for themselves. They have just inwardly surrendered to their oppressor. It’s a common psychological trait of oppressed people.

The experience of many Africans Americans, descendents of slaves, is one of loss of identity of self, and pride in oneself as a human being. This is because they have been stripped of a history and identity and replaced with an imposed version of themselves that they really don’t identify with.

ONE HAS TO BE AN AFRICAN AMERICAN TO UNDERSTAND THIS!

Originally posted by inforeal
Most black people like this guy and others who are similar such as Clarence Thomas, have just been inwardly overwhelmed by the self-hatred that that they have for themselves. They have just inwardly surrendered to their oppressor. It’s a common psychological trait of oppressed people.

The experience of many Africans Americans, descendents of slaves, is one of loss of identity of self, and pride in oneself as a human being. This is because they have been stripped of a history and identity and replaced with an imposed version of themselves that they really don’t identify with.

ONE HAS TO BE AN AFRICAN AMERICAN TO UNDERSTAND THIS!

You're full of it. Just because he deviates from the mainstream african american community, he is submissive to the caucasions ? Grow up and please provide some educated statements. Stupid education system is to be blamed for your comments. So the one's on the street and ghettos who are not inwardly overwhelmed and hate themselves what do they do? They dont surrender to their oppressor but they surely are not successful in life either.

reply to post by hp1229


Why are you comments so ignorant? You know nothing of African American experience in this country by your comments.

And I would advise you to watch your manners buddy before writing to me like you did.
Particularly, since you don’t know what you are talking about.

reply to post by hp1229


To answer you intelligently, something I will lower myself to do, for your sake. Those in the street are just responding to self hatred, imposed by the history of the AA experience, in a different way than this Tea Party person.

reply to post by groingrinder

The person who wrote that article sounds like they cannot stand a successful black man in America.

More accurately, a successful Republican black man.

They've yet to criticize successful black Democrats who also happen to be successful.

It's the perverted perceptions of irrational liberals that give birth to these jealous, vicious attacks based only on color and political affiliation. If Caine had been speaking as a Democrat, he'd be deified.

What pathetic, shallow hypocrisy.

But, it goes with the territory.

deny ignorants
jw

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by hp1229

 

Why are you comments so ignorant? You know nothing of African American experience in this country by your comments.
And I would advise you to watch your manners buddy before writing to me like you did.
Particularly, since you don’t know what you are talking about.

Ok. My apologies if I was a bit rude but true to my statement.

It is also correct that I'm not an african american but what I typed is common sense. I can go into more details as per how far the African American community has thrived vs other minorities in the US. But that would bore your mind and it would be against your belief system as you would rather hold onto the Oppressor Card.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by hp1229

 

To answer you intelligently, something I will lower myself to do, for your sake. Those in the street are just responding to self hatred, imposed by the history of the AA experience, in a different way than this Tea Party person.

Once again you are speaking on behalf of everyone. How can you be so sure? Do you mean to say that the 'self hatred' is carried on from generation to generation in AA since the time they were brought to the North American continent? Do you think Herman Cain is not educated enough to understand what you are implying?

p.s: Thankyou for your intelligent response.

reply to post by SmedleyBurlap
Your prejudice shows through in your post.

Look, the article isn't saying anything like that. It is saying that meritocracy is a myth.

If that were true, then why use Cain as the basis of the story?

The same article could have been written with someone else, or no one persona at all, as the example of the "myth." The "myth" would then be the subject, not the man. The article is clearly focused upon Herman Cain, African American.

By extension, white people can't expect to get into the high echelons of power just because they work hard.

Where do you draw that "extension" from? And why racially qualify it at all? Does your focus on race prevent you from just saying, "People can't expect ... ?"

What a pathetic, false analogy. "Working hard" in and of itself, only enables a person to work harder.
Except in Marxist philosophy. Which is your motivation, along with your warped racial obsession.

Hard work, intelligence and ambition are what lead a "hard working man" of any race or gender or political affiliation the the top of his or her relevant social structure. Some people are happy to provide for themselves only; others for a large family or their entire community or business. Work, alone, is the epitome of the Marxist value system.
(Please don't whine about the use of a cliche', I refer to men and women in the same sentence.)

If that were the case, then your average wage slave would be president of the company that employs them!

Only in a regime that values work over brains, compassion, creativity, independence and self-sufficiency.
The "average wage slave" will never be president of anything, if that is all it aspires to.

By this logic, the person with the most hours worked (or the slowest to do an assigned task), or longest tenure would be the leader of every organization. Do you belong to a union?

The fact of the matter is that "Work hard to succeed" is a simplified myth sold to the public-at-large.

Only by people with ulterior motives. However, all the brains, creativity, et c., will not get you anywhere without hard work. Hard work is a necessary component of the qualities and attributes that lead to success, regardless of race or origin.

The fact of the matter is that it is especially mythical when minority groups are concerned.

This is exactly the mantra for anyone seeking to exploit or pander to minorities. I don't know if your motivation is contempt, xenophobia, racism, pandering, or simply exploitation, but that statement is bull/horse/bat/chicken poop. Prove otherwise.

This isn't because minorities are inferior.

First thing that popped into your head? That narrows down the above-mentioned options for such pathetic nonsense, though.

God, how I can't stand criticism of racial awareness as racist in and of itself. It's as if someone pointing out a racist system is getting accused of all the wrong-doing of that system!

Mind explaining that to dudley duddin, who is of a mind that the opposite is true. So, now that you've abandoned "the meritocracy myth," you're going to zero in on race. Isn't that what you claimed was NOT the subject of the OP? So, now you're either completely off-topic, or you are moving closer to the true racist bias that dominates your thought processes.

No, the reason that minorities of all sorts have a hard time progressing through the layers of power is that they have very few connections at the top, and they are visible outsiders.

OK, so now it IS race. First, you said even "white people" are abused in the "meritocracy myth," but from here on it's just "minorities of all sorts" upon which we focus, right? Would that include an average white male employee? They are in fact a minority today. What about white heterosexual women? A larger group, but a minority nonetheless.

Neither of my parents spoke English when they started school. Neither attended college until they were middle- aged adults (who are not entitled to the benefits of scholarships, grants, et c). They both became successful through a combination of factors, of which "hard work" was the most important. They did not have any connections.
Their children have been equally successful despite having to find employment even when in high school.
None of us depended upon anything other than our own abilities to succeed. I know dozens of people, of various races and origins for whom this is true. It is norm, not the exception.

I do not care about your origins, but where I'm from, Mexican Americans are the majority, as a whole and as grouped under almost any other subqualifier. They have plenty of connections in any organization/industry.

Your myopic view completely obscures your view of modern America. Minorities are at the top of every social organization in the nation. You start from a false premise and attempt to weave a coherent explanation supporting your racist obsession.

In politics this is especially true. It's all about who you know, and who likes you, and who thinks that you are a 'viable candidate.' Viable candidate often means "looks enough like the average shmuck to steal an election and get away with it."

This is precisely what one would expect to hear from someone who could not or was afraid to "work hard" to overcome whatever limitations , real or perceived, they faced in any arena, much less politics. If you can't lead your own way out of despair how can you expect to led anyone else. Politics is not about origin or connections alone; but the perception of leadership and ability.

A well-connected idiot is still an idiot. A good-looking loser will always lose.

Unfortunately for [ethnic, linguistic, sexual, educational] minorities, the average American voter in most constituencies is a subliterate, vaguely white heterosexual.

Prove this. I would think your paradigmic "subliterate, vaguely white heterosexual" likely isn't a voter at all.

A gay black transsexual university professor isn't going to be perceived as a viable candidate in a conservative Anglo-American district.

OK, first I've gotta ask: why would a transsexual be gay? Does this describe a man who lives and acts as a woman but only wants to have sex with other women?

Your example is a joke. The professor would live and run in the university-town community that makes her feel most "at home." She would be welcomed as a candidate! Your bias precludes you from seeing this "fact."

In sum, you begin claiming the article is not about race, but come all the way around to conclude that minorities
can't get a fair shot at anything in life because of "conservative Anglo-Americans."

Why didn't you just come out and say that? Why all the filler meritocracy crap?

jw

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

Sharpton and Company do not speak for the left. Got it?

Using your logic, Sharpton, Rev. Jeremiah, "Hymie Town" Jackson, et al all speak for the black left as much as the Tea Party speaks for the KKK.

Since the Baggers have no National Committee means every person who flies the Bagger banner speaks on behalf of it. If y'all had centralized leadership then the national committee could've easily condemned him and all like him but since there is none no distinctions are to be made from now on out.

Using this reasoning, since American blacks have no "centralized leadership" then "no distinctions" should be made as well.

Isn't that what people complain about when they decry racism? Isn't stereotyping and "profiling" the sign of a diseased thought process, or limited ability to rationally distinguish?

Your racism shines through above your disclaimers.

deny ignorants
jw

Anybody who rejects his peoples oppression and essentially accepts it as something either non harmful or uneventful is in a state of denial.
We are talking about 250 years of abject slavery and another 100 of being a second and third class citizen, AND PEOPLE THINK THERE WILL BE NO HARMFUL EFFECT, even over generations?

All statistics point out the harm of slavery and Jim Crow racism is still affecting the black masses in a very negative way.

Either black people are inferior to whites, because ALL the statistics point out that blacks are still FAR BEHIND whites in practically everything, or racism has been and still is so pernicious to black people they can't keep up because of it.

Let me guess...A Black conservative ain't black enough because he doesn't hate white people enough?

How is this NOT racist?

I get crap all the time for being a Spanish speaking immigrant and not supporting border hoppers.

BTW the Tea Party voted in and endorsed several black men, several women and a several Hispanics this past election. It's about principles not color. But the left will beat that race drum for all it's worth...

Pathetic:

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reply to post by SmedleyBurlap


That's BS.

Meritocracy doesn't guarantee success. Nothing does. Life ain't fair and you can't guarantee outcomes. All you can do is work hard, think outside of the box, and put your ideas and money to work for you.

If it doesn't work out, try again, and again, and again until it does.

reply to post by jdub297

If that were true, then why use Cain as the basis of the story?

Because Cain has come to terms with segregation and the authors of the article haven't?

Meritocracy exists to some extent, of course. The myth is that society is a pure meritocracy. Ultimately, if you work hard and don't know anybody, your rise will be very limited. If you know the right people, even incompetents can achieve great ranking in society. This explains both why the GOP has few prominent black men (latent but decaying racism in the party's support base) and why the Dems have more prominent black members (it's good for their liberal public image).

I have posted elsewhere on this site about how the racial and other demographic compositions of America are changing, and the conservative racial ideologues are clinging to power. I know that minorities of all sorts are in the upper echelons of power today. I also think that the battle for equity is not yet over, and that there are aging forces working against the success of minority groups. I expect that they'll pass from power soon enough.

What must be understood is this:

When you ride one of those huge highways, usually county, such as route 10 or route 22 in New Jersey, all states have them . . . you see thousands of stores along the route, such as Wall Marts, Sears, Kmart’s, Whole Foods, huge furniture stores, even large Malls, etc. Most likely all of those stores if you get out of your car at each one and ask to see the owner . . . . NOT ONE WILL BE A BLACK PERSON!

That’s the situation of race in America.

Lets face facts here. ANY possible candidate for the Republicans OR the Tea Party will have these type of articles written about them. They are meant to demean and undermine their reputations with innuendo and half truths. Twists and turns of info real or imagined. It is Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals' in the nutshell. If you all can't see it for what it is I'm sure it will become more apparent as the election cycle draws closer.

Zindo