Kiss Your Internet Goodbye!

This may not have anything to do with the internet being shut down or whatever.

Lets go back to Adam and Eve. The tree of life and knowledge sat in the garden of Eden. Adam and Eve took a bite from the apple attempting to gain knowledge and wisdom. The internet is like the tree of knowledge, anywhere you want to know, anything you want to learn.

The first home computers..............Apple. Just look at there symbol......we have all taken a bite.

Not everybody. There are actually a lot of people out there who've never even sat down in front of a computer. Hard to believe, eh?

I read with interest the ideas about a coup d'�tat, that would take away public access to the Internet. I was using the net before it was public access. In fact, I was using ARPANET in 1972, which in 1983, split into ARPANET and MILNET, but so much for the history lesson.

After I was discharged from active duty in 1987, I established a Bulletin Board Service in 1988 using some computer equipment that I had gotten from military surplus. At its peak, I had nearly 300 members, which don't seem like a lot, but for a BBS service with only four modem outlets it was pretty astounding. At that time Fidonet was the closest thing there was to what is now a publicly accessed INTERNET. Members were able to access Fidonet through my BBS in 30 minute sets, so not every member was able to access the BBS every day and the speed was very slow, because the modems were only 9.6 kbps. Still, there was a spread of information that was not available through the commercial media.

If there was a complete shutdown of the Internet, I'm sure that there would be at least an attempt to reestablish Fidonet and the BBS system. About the only way that would not be possible would be if the telephone system was taken away, and I don't believe that would happen. Even if that was to happen, those that have a desire to know the truth would figure out other ways to gain it. Man has always figured out ways to overcome obstacles that kept them from gaining the truth, and I believe that they would again do so.

Good point, ECK... not to mention I've met people who've never even used an ATM and the computerized gas pumps are intimidating. "I shouldn't have to be a computer wiz to get a tank of gas!". *L*

I wouldn't riot or kill over the internet. But take away the ATM machines and the streets will run red!

Originally posted by torque
Good point, ECK... not to mention I've met people who've never even used an ATM and the computerized gas pumps are intimidating. "I shouldn't have to be a computer wiz to get a tank of gas!". *L*

I wouldn't riot or kill over the internet. But take away the ATM machines and the streets will run red!

People in their 30's and over marvel over kids today. They'v grown up on computers. It's so different from when we were kids. And there are a lot of folks out there who either resent the technology being pushed on them & have no use for it, or they don't have the financial resources to get into it. I'd say at least a quarter of the population wouldn't even miss it.

As for ATM's, one of these days the ATM's are gonna be locked tight. (In the coming days when I forsee the net being completely controlled or shut down). It's a part of the coming cashless society.

Renegade Rivers,
That's pretty interesting. The biggest problem I see with using the net (especially at that point) is the government will probably be able to detect and locate users.

There's always ham radio, right?

Yep, my friend's 5 year old can put in his favorite 1st grader game cd and bring up the game, start it up and play by himself. He mostly just looks it over and figures it out rather than have it explained to him. He's a lefty, but uses the mouse with his right hand because he figures that's how you're supposed to do it. When it doesn't work, he asks to call "cumstumer service". All this stuff is nothing to them. Actually, the young ones might have the toughest time adapting to a pre-tech world.

You guys are overlooking an important fact... Businesses are highly dependent on the internet nowadays .. pull the internet and all our busineses will suffer big time. even the big bad nwo gov doesnt want that

Originally posted by RealisticPatriot
You guys are overlooking an important fact... Businesses are highly dependent on the internet nowadays .. pull the internet and all our busineses will suffer big time. even the big bad nwo gov doesnt want that

You fail to realize, this may occur after the stock market crashes. All it would take is for OPEC to switch to the Euro. (Just an example) And it's not nearly as unrealistic as most think.

One thing Americans seem allergic to is the reality that our existence is not written ANYWHERE in stone. And no empire has EVER gone on forever. I call that complete hubris.

Originally posted by Renegade Rivers

If there was a complete shutdown of the Internet, I'm sure that there would be at least an attempt to reestablish Fidonet and the BBS system. About the only way that would not be possible would be if the telephone system was taken away, and I don't believe that would happen. Even if that was to happen, those that have a desire to know the truth would figure out other ways to gain it. Man has always figured out ways to overcome obstacles that kept them from gaining the truth, and I believe that they would again do so.

Man I remember the old toys.. I remember being the coolest when I upgraded to 8 megs of RAM.. and 14.4 I was unstoppable.

Thing is, the Internet networks have split off from the Telco Trunks. Even if you wiped out the Teleephone networks the core of the internet would still be fine.

Pandora's box is open. You can monitor it, you can channel it, you can shut parts of it down, but they will come back in a matter of hours. Only thing that will shut it down would be a full nuclear war causing a global EMP. At that point we will have bigger problems then not being able to get to our porn.

Wraith

Life without the internet? That will never happen, to much money to be made here. Now censorship, and our rights to free speech and also the Govt limiting what we see on the Internet, may be comprimised in the future. Time will tell... Even with all the craziness and scum on the internet, I do think this should be a place where people should be able to speak about whatever they want, and not be told what to say, or how to say it.

[edit on 19-8-2004 by AgentGirl]

Just found this on the net, could be relevant to this debate:

www.againsttcpa.com...

Seems to be a software mod that will restrict what we will be able to use our computers for. In future we may be asking 'Mr Gates' if we can please access that site.

The Internet is not going away anytime soon, unless we have an episode of major civil unrest. Whereas the government feels it�s under threat from its citizens to the point that they would temporarily sacrifice any business lost in order to save themselves by stopping the flow of comprimising information. Say if our government had been compromised by aliens and they wanted to stop the word from getting out, they would take over all media including the internet in order to get the upper hand and quell those they considered a threat to their existence. So, if you wake up one day and the Internet is not working � load your weapons.

Our government is and has been censuring the Internet for quite sometime now and it is done with the cooperation of the ISP�s, which is mostly voluntary, but sometimes by threat of being shutdown. An example is the Newsgroups where you can (could) find everything out there under the sun & underground as well. Good stuff, bad stuff, illegal stuff, basically everything that actually exists. To the regular Joes the censured newsgroups are all that exists � so Joe is unaware that he does not see all that there is. Most people accept censorship, but we only disagree about where to draw the lines. The big lies are it�s for the protection of the children, or for your safety (their safety)- national security � it�s an easy way to make people shut up quickly, cause if you disagree with them you�re a terrorist or a pedophile. The truth is your not free unless you know all that there is to know thus you can�t be free when information is being blocked from you. Personally, I'd rather know then not know & be safe.

Originally posted by wraith30

Man I remember the old toys.. I remember being the coolest when I upgraded to 8 megs of RAM.. and 14.4 I was unstoppable.

Wraith

Ah, yes my first modem was 2400 baud, I was the first guy on the block to get a ISA clock card so my computer could tell time, my first hard drive was an ST-238 RLL 30 megabyte, and when I ordered my first 386-20 an extra meg of Ram was $600.

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, But I can't see why the U.S. gov would even want to shut down the interne,t when under current laws it is such a great resource for intellgence mining. Think about it, under the patriot act the government has the abillity to get a court order, without showng probable cause to install a "pen register" on your phone lnes which keeps track of every web page you visit, who you send e-mails to, and who sends you e-mails. Now even if these NWO/oppressive gove/ bush takeover theroies were true, (which I personally don't buy) your access to the internet is thier greatest weapon. By allowing you to freely access websites that they view as "anti-american" they are in a sense "giving you enough rope" All of these NWO theroies hinge on those who resist being imprisoned etc. By allowing full internet access it allows them to watch what you do and see to help determine whether or not you are one of the "good" ones.

Originally posted by mwm1331
Now even if these NWO/oppressive gove/ bush takeover theroies were true, (which I personally don't buy) your access to the internet is thier greatest weapon. By allowing you to freely access websites that they view as "anti-american" they are in a sense "giving you enough rope" All of these NWO theroies hinge on those who resist being imprisoned etc. By allowing full internet access it allows them to watch what you do and see to help determine whether or not you are one of the "good" ones.

my thoughts exactly mwm


remember soldiers..we r paratroopers..we r meant to b surrounded

They will never get us all, we will create our own intranet via VPNs and so forth. Or even go back to good old radio internet.

I don't think they could ever take away the internet for the simple rule of supply and demand! Plus it would fall under the freedom of speech here in the states. Too many ppl would be affected and complain . And if they did suceed there are to mnay smart ppl who would just create something new just like it.

Imagine the effects on the global economy if the Internet falls. Scary.

They wouldn't be taking the internet away, just strictly controlling the content of it. The following is info from the link i posted above:

'Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act. First it was called SSSCA (Security Systems Standards and Certification Act). The new name reads much more harmless. Looks like the first name made it too easy to discover the purpose of this bill.
This bill plans to legally force secure (TCPA-conform) systems. So in the USA it would then not be allowed to buy or sell systems that are not TCPA-conform. Passing this law would be punished with up to 5 years of prision and up to $500.000 fine.'

OK, so in the future you will ONLY be able to buy a computer which has this technology built in.

another quote from the article:

'The long term result will be that it will be impossible to use hardware and software that's not approved by the TCPA.'

you will only be able to run the software they want you to (with any kind of functionality)

Quote regarding the implications of the software (from the FAQ link):

'For example, TC can support remote censorship. In its simplest form, applications may be designed to delete pirated music under remote control. For example, if a protected song is extracted from a hacked TC platform and made available on the web as an MP3 file, then TC-compliant media player software may detect it using a watermark, report it, and be instructed remotely to delete it (as well as all other material that came through that platform). This business model, called traitor tracing, has been researched extensively by Microsoft (and others). In general, digital objects created using TC systems remain under the control of their creators, rather than under the control of the person who owns the machine on which they happen to be stored (as at present). So someone who writes a paper that a court decides is defamatory can be compelled to censor it - and the software company that wrote the word processor could be ordered to do the deletion if she refuses. Given such possibilities, we can expect TC to be used to suppress everything from pornography to writings that criticise political leaders.'

and:

'for example, if you send an email that causes embarrassment to your boss, he can broadcast a cancellation message that will cause it to be deleted wherever it's got to'

So, someone could have the ability not only to remotely access your system and delete anything the courts have deemed 'unacceptable' but to track any copies and delete them aswell. This doesn't sound like a big deal when you think about your system at home, but think about it in terms of an internet server, i.e. (for example purposes only) a video clip which shows a government to be lying to have lied to it's people. An order is obtained from a court and the offending internet server (one that has the video) deletes it and broadcasts the cancellation message, all computers that have that vid and recive the message will aslo delete it, sounds pretty bad to me.

A little off topic but still internet related.

In the UK we have to pay for a TV lisence in order to legally watch TV, I dont know if other countries have similr things.

I can imagine in the near future that we will have to pay for lisences to use the Internet. This could be inforced by the monitoring technolgy.

Good call, kriz, another way for the uk government to rip us off (along with air tax, thought tax and 700000% duty on beer, cigarettes and anything else that makes life fun). Also, if they wanted to control the internet they could make you get a license before you can host a website. No license=no connection from ISP.

[edit on 23-8-2004 by Chris McGee]

[edit on 23-8-2004 by Chris McGee]