La Bruzzo wants to drug test welfare recepients...

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

No is any better than anyone else. We are all equal. What was your solution? You sure can complain but so far I have asked this over three times yet you are silent.. Still waiting.

Lol hitler was equal to einstein?

In all seriousness, please try living in reality.

The aforementioned brain surgeon is more valuable to humanity than the burger flipper is.

The farmer is more important to humanity than the prisoner is.

It goes on and on.

reply to post by StigShen


I am sure you agree with me that something has to give somewhere if we were to shut down the welfare system like the other poster wants.

Originally posted by StigShen

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by dreamseeker

 

Are you going to force a business owner to increase wages, though profits could be down? How does that work in business ownership?

If you can't afford to pay your workers a wage they can live on, then you can't afford to be in business.

Which would further suggest corporate welfare should be abolished does it not? In the free market system, if a company cannot meet its requirements, it fails and closes doors. So with that, why should social welfare be given any extra " light " to succeed? It shouldn't thus suggesting the need to eradicate both corporate and social welfare.

reply to post by StigShen


There is no right to any wage other than minimum wage.

If someone is unhappy with what they are paid, there are others who would gladly take their place.

A burger flipper has no right to a "livable wage".

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by StigShen

 

I am sure you agree with me that something has to give somewhere if we were to shut down the welfare system like the other poster wants.

edit on 18-3-2011 by dreamseeker because: (no reason given)

Want to know what will give? The entitlement mentality will give way to personal motivation and desire. When people realize they have absolutely nothing to fall back on, ingenuity occurs.

reply to post by HaveAnotherOne

That burger flipper is just important as a brain surgeon. We are all equal as human beings. It is your sense of elitism that stops you from searching for a better solution.
How can anyone think I am any less because I make less money? Seriously tell me I am less than you because you make more than me? I assume you must make well above $15K if you do not understand what it is like to struggle and be poor.

Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
reply to post by dreamseeker

 

Lol you didn't come up with a solution. You came up with a scenario in fantasyland.

The solution is to remove the governmental influence from the economy. Business taxes, capital gains, etc etc need to be eliminated. Money needs to be put back into the market in order to encourage growth, not redistribution.


Spending MUST be cut drastically. Painful cuts, such as entitlements, welfare (both corporate and individual), the wars must be ended, and a return to the principles set forth in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution would be a damn good place to start.

It has nothing to do with spending. It has to do with a terminally flawed economic system. No matter how much they cut spending, there will still be compounding interest on national debt. You could cut spending to zero, and still there would be mounting debt.

And I'll tell you another thing, social welfare programs should be the very last program ever to be cut. I paid taxes for decades. Now that I have hit hard times, I have no problem taking it back in foodstamps. Well, not morally anyway. What I do have a problem with is the big banks deliberately crashing the economy only to turn around and profit from the misery they have caused...

Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
reply to post by StigShen

 

There is no right to any wage other than minimum wage.

If someone is unhappy with what they are paid, there are others who would gladly take their place.

A burger flipper has no right to a "livable wage".

Which would further suggest the need to succeed, and strive to be a better member of society. The logic of some poster is baffling?

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by HaveAnotherOne

 

That burger flipper is just important as a brain surgeon. We are all equal as human beings. It is your sense of elitism that stops you from searching for a better solution.
How can anyone think I am any less because I make less money? Seriously tell me I am less than you because you make more than me? I assume you must make well above $15K if you do not understand what it is like to struggle and be poor.

No its the need to reduce the amount of interventionist and embrace individualism, which btw, promotes the need to truly succeed in life, and not be dependent on others to pay your way~

reply to post by HaveAnotherOne


Death and homeless always can occur when no one gets help. If suddenly all welfare ended and all jobs were outsourced where would we be? Think about that. A person is no more entitled to a job unforunately than anything else.
This is not about a sense of entitlement but a sense of humanity accoding to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Was Maslow a communist or a socialist? I would love to hear your thoughts on Maslow.
A person who complains but does not offer a solution does not really want to change things.

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by HaveAnotherOne

 

That burger flipper is just important as a brain surgeon. We are all equal as human beings. It is your sense of elitism that stops you from searching for a better solution.
How can anyone think I am any less because I make less money? Seriously tell me I am less than you because you make more than me? I assume you must make well above $15K if you do not understand what it is like to struggle and be poor.

At this point, further debate is pointless. You simply do not comprehend reality.

Not a personal attack, but maybe thats why you make less than 15k annually.

The brain surgeon saves lives and promotes science. The burger flipper flips burgers, usually to the detriment of someone elses health.

The brain surgeon is exponentially more important and valuable than a minimum wage burger flipper is.

reply to post by HaveAnotherOne


So what does that make a web programmer then?

reply to post by dreamseeker


Shut down welfare and crime will skyrocket. Which is of course what they will do in the long run anyway. Imprison the poor as police-state population management. It's already happening. The US has more prisoners than any other nation int he world, including Commie Chine, and they have over a billion people. The US alone houses more than 25% of the world's TOTAL prison population.

Personally, I would rather see the money going to welfare than prisons. And I would rather invest in better welfare benefits so that there are less crime victims.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


We are all dependent on something. I am very much for the indivual. If you get a job you are dependent on that job. Without some sense of dependency civilization would fall apart. We all need each other or we might as well go back to the cave man days.
By the way you really have derailed this thread can we get back on topic of drug testing of people on welfare.

reply to post by StigShen


The economic system is perfectly viable and sound. The government and corrupt corporate influence is the problem here.

Sustaining those that cannot sustain themselves is not a good idea. Let them succeed or fail, but not to the detriment of other peoples wallets.

reply to post by StigShen


I agree we do have a flawed system but there is no perfect answer here. There are only better answers and evolving answers.

reply to post by StigShen


Repeal all unconstitutional and victimless "laws" and the prison population would plummet.

For lack of a better term, the United States has become a nation of candyasses. Tough love is in order.

reply to post by HaveAnotherOne


You know what I find completely, utterly and totally despicable? People who value money over peoples lives.

It's truly horrifying.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded



Which would further suggest corporate welfare should be abolished does it not? In the free market system, if a company cannot meet its requirements, it fails and closes doors. So with that, why should social welfare be given any extra " light " to succeed? It shouldn't thus suggesting the need to eradicate both corporate and social welfare.

If you fix the economy, eradicate corporate welfare, the need for social welfare will evaporate almost entirely. Except perhaps for a token group of folks who are handicapped and so forth. But I'll tell you this much, anyone of sound mind and body would certainly much prefer a job where they could earn a living wage, than trying to survive on welfare. Welfare is death my friend.

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

We are all dependent on something. I am very much for the indivual. If you get a job you are dependent on that job. Without some sense of dependency civilization would fall apart. We all need each other or we might as well go back to the cave man days.
By the way you really have derailed this thread can we get back on topic of drug testing of people on welfare.

I derailed the thread? BWAHAHA!!! Your efforts of trolling and baseless arguments of non-reality is what skewed the thread topic. I simply suggested a realistic scenario. And I also like how you refrained from acknowledging my suggestion to your question from page 15 very bottom. To much education for ya?