US Air Force WC-135 Detects Deadly Radiation Over Pacific (US in 24hrs)

reply to post by Unity_99


sigh, a meltdown has little to do with the explosion, the explosion breached the coolant and exposed the fuel rods, which started to over heat and cook and if left unchecked would go into melt down, which does not produce an explosion, or anything of the sort.

The danger comes if there is an explosion, while in meltdown, which would blast radioactive dust up into the air and on the wind currents, which is what we'd call fallout.

Seriously at this point I'm amazed people don't understand what a meltdown actually is, and how it's not a nuclear bomb going off.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Haven't read through all 20 pages of this yet, but are there any other sources (other than the original) confirming this story?

No and it runs contrary to everything available from real news sources. Looks like somebody trying to draw attention to their site with sensationalism.

Originally posted by Signals
I ran across this picture, I don't think MSM has this yet-

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/40b28e4121fc.jpg[/atsimg]

www.ryocentral.info...

Well, THAT certainly looks like nothing to worry about.

How stupid does the government think we are?

Everything is fine. Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.

Is anyone going east go get away from this??

Heres a thread I just started.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please PM me if your headed EAST!

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Unity_99

 

sigh, a meltdown has little to do with the explosion, the explosion breached the coolant and exposed the fuel rods, which started to over heat and cook and if left unchecked would go into melt down, which does not produce an explosion, or anything of the sort.

The danger comes if there is an explosion, while in meltdown, which would blast radioactive dust up into the air and on the wind currents, which is what we'd call fallout.

Seriously at this point I'm amazed people don't understand what a meltdown actually is, and how it's not a nuclear bomb going off.

I have yet to hear anyone say that it is equivalent to a nuclear bomb.

The hydrogen that caused the explosion is generated by the exposure of the nuclear fuel rods.

If there was no breach of the containment vessel, how did the hydrogen get out of the containment vessel? Magic?

reply to post by ipsedixit


Kyodo is a very valid news source. english.kyodonews.jp...

Yet, here is another...

"As a precautionary measure, USS Ronald Reagan and other US Seventh Fleet ships conducting disaster response operations in the area have moved out of the downwind direction from the site to assess the situation and determine what appropriate mitigating actions are necessary," the statement said.

www.timeslive.co.za...

reply to post by Common Scarecrow

That SHROOM is a full melt down.

there's one for you, sorry, too busy to check all 21 rambling pages of nothingness to find any more.

If there was no breach of the containment vessel, how did the hydrogen get out of the containment vessel? Magic?

Ummm, cause it didn't? According to the people actually there on the ground, it destroyed the outer casing but the containment vessel is still intact.

The reactor's inner containment vessel holding nuclear rods was intact, Edano said, allaying some fears of the risk to the environment and public. TV footage of the building housing the reactor appeared to show similar damage to Monday's blast, with outer walls shorn off, leaving only a skeletal frame.

Originally posted by RUDDD
I'd be more worried about the TSA scanners if your flying to San Fran...for now.

None from my outgoing airport until April.

Destination back: primary screening with backscatter-wave in all but a couple of lanes. I will submit to a public patdown before I would consider going through one of those things. The amount of radiation exposure from an aircraft is measured; it's a risk I need to take. The nude-o-scope... not so much. I don't want that and I would say "I opt out" as that is my right.

I have had no problems with the TSA and so far they have waved me through to the standard metal detector with removal of coat, shoes, and my carry-on with my laptop in a separate bin being X-rayed. No issues with any of that.

I don't want to get off-topic and will take this to the appropriate thread.

My heartfelt thoughts and best of hope remain with the people of Japan. Personally, I would evacuate if possible... are the airports still closed?

reply to post by koots751


It would be foolish to abandon your home because of this.

Here is a map from the university of Virginia, showing the fallout from the 1986 Chernobyl disaster. You can clearly see that the increased levels of radiation reach "only" up to about spain, the wind carried it westwards here. That's about 2500 Kilometers, or roughly 1555 miles.




Now take the distance to Japan into consideration and also keep in mind that not the air itself but only precipitation is contaminated.

So if you want to completely escape any increase in radiation due to this incident, be prepared to leave the planet because the # will travel 7 times the globe before you can no longer measure it.

Originally posted by burntheships
This just popped up in the news...

Tokyo - A US aircraft carrier has abandoned its assistance mission to Japan in the aftermath of last week's quake due to concerns over radiation leaks from damaged power plants, Kyodo News reported Monday.

Link

ok, we have another conflict with a prior article.
A prior article stated that the USS Reagan went farther
north to avoid the radiation but said nothing about
abandoning Japan altogether. any other sources
confirming this article ???

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

This just popped up in the news...

Tokyo - A US aircraft carrier has abandoned its assistance mission to Japan in the aftermath of last week's quake due to concerns over radiation leaks from damaged power plants, Kyodo News reported Monday.

Link

edit on 14-3-2011 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

Thanks for posting this news. This confirms it for me, the radioactive threat is serious. This is not fear mongering.

If the US military is stopping all aid missions because of the radiation then you know it's for real and dangerous. They would not stop if it was just low level exposure. We are not being told the truth about the levels of radiation.

And here is another article, from the Navy Times.

So this is a validated aspect. The U.S.S. Reagan has moved out of the area, and the Military Ships, and Aircraft will be moved accordingly.

“As a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, we have extensive technical expertise onboard to properly monitor such types of risks, and if necessary, rapidly resolve the situation,” he wrote.

Ships in the carrier’s strike group, including the cruiser Chancellorsville, the destroyer Preble, the combat support ship Bridge and destroyers Fitzgerald, John S. McCain, McCampbell and Curtis Wilbur, are all expected to operate off the east coast of Honshu, the largest Japanese island. The destroyer Mustin is south of the power plant.

“We will watch the winds closely in the coming days and move our ships and aircraft as necessary to avoid the windline in Fukushima,” Burke wrote.

www.navytimes.com...

I searched the story on Kyodo News and couldn't find it. The other source, Sapa-AFP, is more believeable and I do believe that story. There is a big difference between repositioning the ships and abandoning the efforts to assist in the situation.

There is definitely a lot of hysteria floating through this story.

reply to post by H1ght3chHippie


I have heard all I need to hear to make my decision.
Thanks for the input though.
I pray your right!

reply to post by ipsedixit


I agree. They'd have to continually move the ships to avoid any of the plumes of radioactive steam they have to release to keep containment, this is what the Regan would have encountered, and it has no ability to traverse the pacific, the isotopes decay fast anyways, until full meltdown, we're fine.

Really though, would you expect the military to sit stationary and get bombarded with radiation? How are they to help when they are sick and dying?

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Common Scarecrow

 

That SHROOM is a full melt down.

there's one for you, sorry, too busy to check all 21 rambling pages of nothingness to find any more.

It didn't have to be a massive breach but OBVIOUSLY there was a breach, otherwise the hydrogen would never have escaped. And if hydrogen escaped, so did radioactive material.

Either that or I guess the navy just wants to cruise around over there moving the aircraft carrier around to keep the motor warm.
If there was no breach of the containment vessel, how did the hydrogen get out of the containment vessel? Magic?

Ummm, cause it didn't? According to the people actually there on the ground, it destroyed the outer casing but the containment vessel is still intact.

The reactor's inner containment vessel holding nuclear rods was intact, Edano said, allaying some fears of the risk to the environment and public. TV footage of the building housing the reactor appeared to show similar damage to Monday's blast, with outer walls shorn off, leaving only a skeletal frame.

edit on 14-3-2011 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)

edit on 14-3-2011 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by burntheships
And here is another article, from the Navy Times.

So this is a validated aspect. The U.S.S. Reagan has moved out of the area, and the Military Ships, and Aircraft will be moved accordingly.

“As a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, we have extensive technical expertise onboard to properly monitor such types of risks, and if necessary, rapidly resolve the situation,” he wrote.

Ships in the carrier’s strike group, including the cruiser Chancellorsville, the destroyer Preble, the combat support ship Bridge and destroyers Fitzgerald, John S. McCain, McCampbell and Curtis Wilbur, are all expected to operate off the east coast of Honshu, the largest Japanese island. The destroyer Mustin is south of the power plant.

“We will watch the winds closely in the coming days and move our ships and aircraft as necessary to avoid the windline in Fukushima,” Burke wrote.

www.navytimes.com...

You're misreading that slightly. They haven't moved out of the area, or abandoned post. They are still providing assistance to recovery teams, they just relocated to get out of the wind's way of carrying the radiation. Their helicopter pilots were inflicted with a dose of radiation (not enough to cause harm at this point) flying back to the carrier. They were scrubbed down, and are fine.

The carrier and the fleet of ships have MOVED, to avoid the winds carrying radiation. But are still in the area of Japan providing assistance. At this point have not abandoned their post of assisting Japan.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

You're right. The military are on a mission. It's not a cakewalk or an R&R opportunity. This is a challenge and they will meet it. What they learn off the coast of Japan could help them off the coast of America, maybe sooner than we think.

Problem is Chernobyl I believe used a different form of oxidisation than MOX pellets used at the Japanese facilities, not to mention not 1 but 2 reactors have been damaged from this explosion (lets not fool ourselves, the Japanese have admitted today they weren't designed to withstand Tsunamis or Earthquakes), so how do you expect them to survive a 750ft reinforced concrete&steel shell being blown, from whatever source it was, around it skywards 2000ft. Then landing back down ontop. Not once at these reactors but TWICE and possibly a 3rd time soon were led to believe.

All this with Meltdown occurring beneath the base.

reply to post by AllSeeingI


That site was completely irresponsible for posting that without confirmation and multiple sources. Smells like an attempt to draw people to the site. I've never cared for anonymous sources which may be the authors imagination.

A person getting a series of x-rays would be exposed to more than the numbers your citing. Sounds like they are just being careful to a fault. One X-Ray is about 85 mrem.

Yes this is a bad thing, but fear mongering is a bad thing also. I don't see anyone hiding things from us, nor do I suspect they will if there is a chance of exposure. There are simply too many people outside of government with the capability to monitor this stuff for them to even think of hiding anything.