Dear Humans, We Are Alone in this world! No ETs/superbeings :-( So Sad...

Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by laymanskeptic
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Originally posted by THEDUDE86
reply to post by laymanskeptic

 

please go talk to your god

I don't have a god...

Sad. I wonder why you get the idea people WANT aliens to exist. They simply agree that it is entirely possible and even likely given the mass of photographic evidence and witness testimony.

the evidence is weak. to say that it is likely is effectively "wanting" it to be real.

Any thinking person would come to the same conclusion.
Naturally if you STOP thinking you will definitely run out of answers...as you so sadly have.
There is medication you can take that will improve your mood and re establish that vital sense of attachment to the world again. All the best with your recovery.

lol I wonder why you get the idea that I stopped thinking.

NO!!! NO!!!! NO!!!!......no turtle nijas? come on!! Im going to create a big robot myself and he will crush all humans... ill make him create more tsunamis BWAHAHAHA and throw cars at all the humans HAHAHA

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
reply to post by laymanskeptic

 

well...i dont know what to say...ive always believed that we may not be alone...but well..if u say they dont exist then it must be the truth..right??

I won't lie to you...

Promise...

Originally posted by Gloster
NO!!! NO!!!! NO!!!!......no turtle nijas? come on!! Im going to create a big robot myself and he will crush all humans... ill make him create more tsunamis BWAHAHAHA and throw cars at all the humans HAHAHA

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Its people like you that make me want to make an even bigger robot than yours!

It will save humans from your tsunamis and your robot's awesome power.

Because my robot uses fusion power from the sun!!!

Advanced races probably know the truth about reincarnation, death does'nt realy matter,death is not the end, you will be reincarnated to another vessel no matter how horrificly you die. For that reason i surmise they dont get involved in saving people from disasters. In fact the ancient shamanic raced like the Celts,aboriginees and the Native Indians knew this to. We have all just forgotten.

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by laymanskeptic

 

You make far too many assumptions in your thought processes. You assume that Aliens, or Supernatural beings COULD or even SHOULD do something.

yes i assumed that, because i was angry when i woke up and found out that there were no superheroes and robots helping japan, unlike in my dream. but reality is awesome anyway because we got the US and China and others helping out. no need for those lazy aliens who are good for nothing.

Lets start at the top....God. Whether he is real or not, your reasoning in doubting him is not logically valid. There have been PLENTY of HUGE disasters before....why should this one be the one that causes you to doubt him?! The 1923 Great Kantō earthquake in Japan wasn't as strong as this one, (it was a 7.9...which seems almost as strong, but by the way they rate Earthquakes, a full point difference is HUGE) yet it killed 140,000 people. It doesn't seem that this Earthquake's death toll will come anywhere near that. (not from the numbers released now anyway...I hope that doesn't change). Anyway I've always thought that if God made the rules for how the Universe works....in order to break those rules he would have to work in a way that opposes his own creation. This may not be possible for God. He seemed quite specific when making the Universe. If he were to change one natural law...even for an instant it would have ENORMOUS effects the Universe over. Now having said this...who's to say he didn't bend the laws a bit? Perhaps he cannot stop nature because in essence he IS nature...yet maybe he can dampen it a bit. Perhaps he held back countless other Earthquakes, in Japan, till he simply could not bend the natural laws any further, and he was forced to let this one past. I think its remarkable the death tolls have not been coming back exponentially higher than they are. By looking at the past 7.9 I mentioned THIS earthquake should have killed 140,00 EASILY....We should be looking at millions killed by one this strong...yet so far that does not seem likely. Considering this, it seems at least plausible that some force was looking over Japan.

seems like you are making more assumptions in your normal state than i did in my emotional state lolz

Now on to benevolent Aliens...of course Aliens don't have to be benevolent...but since you made this a factor we will only consider those type. This ones easy...Did you ever watch Star Trek? Star Fleet were the Aliens in it, more often than not....looking over a culture of less developed people suffering from a disaster. Yet they had a Prime Directive that made it impossible for them to intervene. Sure....generally they found a way to bend it a bit. But they always would fall just short of doing anything that would directly influence the natural evolution of an entire species that has not made official first contact. Why would you imagine that Real Aliens would not have such a law? It seems a plausible enough thing. And again....perhaps they DID intervene behind the curtains...to make the death toll much less than it would have been otherwise....

yeah i get that "prime directive" argument, loud and clear. in fact i think theres nothing wrong with that argument. it would be nice if it weren't for occam's razor: If aliens are a non-factor, then cognitive economy tells us that assuming they exist is unnecessary.

this of course brings us to another point...why would you believe that Aliens would have the technology to stop an Earthquake of this magnitude....even if they wanted to?!?!

edit on 14-3-2011 by bhornbuckle75 because: missing a single word...now fixed

i thought their intergalactic cruise vessels can create an instant impenetrable electrogravimetrodynamic relativistic forcefield along Japan's east coast that will stop the deadly waves... With their anti-gravity engines running on zero-point energy, that would obviously be no sweat right? right?

Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
And what do we need massive robots for? I don't think the flying/transforming kind could even do much to help.

Actually i was imagining a massive robot the size of japan's east coast. Then it could just lie there and block the tsunami. it can transform into a truck when not needed, and park itself in an underground cave.

if it's strong enough, it can clamp down on the tectonic plates with its gigantic hands so the plates don't move at all.

i say it's genius.

That is just like... your opinion man xD

And something I don´t care about, is your opinion lol.

Originally posted by fill0000
I am a firm believer that ET would opt out / stay far away from trying to help or save humanity if it came down to choice. Why would anyone want to help us, we are just fleas on a dog, in a methodic sense.

OP, you are been very closed minded on your assumptions, one has only to try anticipate the scale of our known universe to realise that the chances of our race been the only intelligent life form is now becoming a very arrogant, irrational and primitive way of thinking.

I am 94.99234% certain that intelligent beings exist beyond our world.

Originally posted by J2288
because they did not fly in and help, they don't exist?? pretty selfish view on things op.

Yes exactly, they don't exist!!! (i hope they can hear me so they know how angry i am) And i hate them so much for not helping out and for being idiots.

Useless alien beings.

who don't exist.

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I think we are ready for that level. A civilization has to go through evolution's hard times like what you have mentioned. We have had enough of filth, materialistic ideals, corruption, poverty and ignorance to pass through the first level. And I mean we as a collective bunch are already set for the next stage of evolution. But these things in itself are just illusionary. There is no money and there isn't any wealth-just the illusion. Who owns the Earth or pretends to own it? Having enough money doesn't make anyone better than the other.

The fact is no one owns anything. So the first stage in itself is an illusion. As a human being do I have to run after a piece of paper and claim to be powerful if I have it enough? Money and wealth are just chains that binds you from gaining the 'real' knowledge. Money not equals power or wisdom. Its a man-made thing

Originally posted by UFOSONEARTH
That is just like... your opinion man xD

And something I don´t care about, is your opinion lol.

Orly? well i don't care about your opinion of my opinion.

Furthermore, if you have an opinion of my opinion about your opinion about mine, i don't care about that too.

A pseudo intellectual and sensationalist attempt at rationalism based on unrelated events. Sorry, but although trying to appear like the bearer of "bad news" on Abovetopsecret in amongst the paranoid and gullible might get you stars and flags (and a sense of self-satisfaction) by individuals who consider themselves to be intellectually superior to those who would dare to think about outside our world, it certainly won't work on everyone.

Dismissing the idea entirely like that is worthless and foolish, especially when you patronise us by associating the idea with superman. It would be like ants deciding to believe that humans don't exist just because the rain washed away their nests and we refused to help them.

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In the Beginning, Mind recognized it's ability to manipulate matter, and thereby control it's environment...
The most evident early patterns of this can be seen in things like “nests” or even simple tools such as a hard rock on which to crack a shell.

We have improved upon this concept with things like...shelter...food-production...math...and a myriad of other (controls/sciences/technologies) to the point that we can do things like fine tune our surrounding temperature with a gauge, bring water and food to our fingertips with little effort, transport ourselves at great speeds to distant places, just to name a few examples of how we use our intelligence to control and manipulate the things in our environment.
We call it science...

Yet there are many things that we cannot change ......."Yet".

Obviously the goal of science is to reach a level where we can control literally all aspects of our environment.

If we were to have an itemized list of some of those (as yet uncontrolled aspects of our lives) some of the things on it might be....aging...scarcity...free energy; just to name some of the biggies.
Also on the list would be things like cosmic exploration and even time manipulation..

The last two are IMO the ultimate in science, but to say they are unattainable is to deny the already existing pattern/trend of science which would imply that these things will also, eventually be understood, and thereby manipulated/controlled.

Once immortality and time travel are both achieved,(and this may have already happened long ago), then if there wasn’t already a God, there will be....
Think about it for a few minutes... If you lived forever, and had all the time in eternity to “do things”, and could travel to any point in time...what would you spend your time doing?*

Let’s say, you went back to the moment of the big bang to see who was there, and discovered that it was only “you” who were there?

Remember that you’ve already discovered just about every other aspect of science in reality...so...what’s left but the complexities that arise from the interactions of Mind
with Mind via the material world.
And when I say, the material world, I don’t mean just the parts our eyes can see all the time,
I’m also talking about those things we see only some of the times, and can never seem to prove.

As to why we can’t “prove” (which leads to interaction btw) these paranormal things...well many have already hit on the reason...
We don’t learn as well when we are led by the hand... An example might be to compare the hunting abilities of the feral animal to those of the domesticated pet...
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addendum:
On spirituality, I would only say this....in the end, when you are your own sovereign over creation, who then will forgive and rectify your mistakes/divergence?
None shall...the only salvation then shall be the love/compassion you have learned to carry within yourself...



*(On a side note: this scenario would be a perfect avenue for preventing disclosure before it’s time.)

Originally posted by laymanskeptic

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
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seems like you are making more assumptions in your normal state than i did in my emotional state lolz

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yeah i get that "prime directive" argument, loud and clear. in fact i think theres nothing wrong with that argument. it would be nice if it weren't for occam's razor: If aliens are a non-factor, then cognitive economy tells us that assuming they exist is unnecessary.

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i thought their intergalactic cruise vessels can create an instant impenetrable electrogravimetrodynamic relativistic forcefield along Japan's east coast that will stop the deadly waves... With their anti-gravity engines running on zero-point energy, that would obviously be no sweat right? right?

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Making more assumptions? No not at all. You were making a judgement based on assumptions (that Aliens and/or a God was disproved by their/his inaction). I was simply showing that you failed to consider a myriad of other possibilities by speculating on a few....I was not assuming any of mine to be right....only that they were plausible and that by not considering any other possibilites, you were making assumptions by which you were basing a belief system. That is faulty logic. Its like saying If Bob Liked Karen He would Buy Her Flowers For Her Birthday.....Bob Did not Buy Karen Flowers....Therefore Bob Does Not Like Karen. That statement is ONLY true if the first part of it is True. In this arguement....just like I did with yours....I would simply suggest various possibilites in which the first statement was untrue...such as Perhaps Bob Was In An Accident, And Could Not Get Flowers....or Perhaps Bob Does Not Agree With Traditional Symbols Of Affection....These would not be assumptions on my part...they are speculation, meant to make you see that you yourself are making a huge assumption by balancing your belief structure all upon a single assumption....That Bob Not Getting Her Flowers For Her Birthday Was Proof That He Did Not Like Her.

As for "If aliens are a non-factor, then cognitive economy tells us that assuming they exist is unnecessary." that is some really horrible butchering of those concepts. None the less you are right in the sense that Assuming Them To Exist IN CONTEXT OF THE JAPANESE EARTHQUAKE is INDEED unnecessary!!! Of course...by the same method of cognitive economy one can just as rationally, and logically assume that Assuming Them To NOT TO EXIST IN CONTEXT OF THE JAPANESE EARTHQUAKE IS UNNECESSARY!!!! LOL!!! You pretty much proved my point for me.....Thanks For That!

Now...for your last point.....wow....Although I'm not sure how serious you were being with this last part, I'll address it anyway....Do I even have to bring up ASSUMPTIONS again?!? Dear Child...you are assuming that you understand the nature of their technology!!!! That takes one Super Large Pair of Very Irrational Gonads!!!! That actually impresses me a bit!!! I rarely hear such bold Assumptions!!! LOL!

edit on 14-3-2011 by bhornbuckle75 because: Whoops said something slightly wrong...fixed it, though

How can you even say they dont exist? Just because they havent helped us out with all of this thats been going on doesnt mean they just dont exist. There is no factual proof to show aliens exist but there is no true fact to show that they dont exist either.

Originally posted by dodgygeeza
A pseudo intellectual and sensationalist attempt at rationalism based on unrelated events. Sorry, but although trying to appear like the barer of "bad news" on Abovetopsecret in amongst the paranoid and gullible might get you stars and flags (and a sense of self-satisfaction) by individuals who consider themselves to be intellectually superior to those who would dare to think about outside our world, it certainly won't work on everyone.

Dismissing the idea entirely like that is worthless and foolish, especially when you patronise us by associating the idea with superman.

Are you ridiculing my interest in robots and superhuman mutant beings? I am offended, sir. Ever since i was 3 years old, i was drawing and inventing robot and mutant characters. I am hurt with your belittling of my hobby. I won a drawing contest when I was 5, I drew on tables and walls with permanent markers, and my mom hasn't been able to remove it ever since.

I never drew aliens, because they are useless beings and they don't exist. And they will be defeated by my mutants and will leave the earth in shame.

shame on the aliens!!! shame on them!!!!!

It would be like ants deciding to believe that humans don't exist just because the rain washed away their nests and we refused to help them.

exactly! We would cease to exist as far as the ants are concerned, as they have no proof of our existence, other than unverifiable sightings of massive unidentified moving objects, which for all they know, could be just an experimental craft by the united ant colonies military forces.

Well being more advanced i am absolutely sure they have some rules they go by. For example to not interact with us because they want to let us do our thing our way ourselves.

But think of this, what if the cold war would have turned hot but the aliens shut down the missles thus not allowing us to destroy ourselves? There are reports of alien craft interacting and bringing down missles AND when during the cold war the US went into DEFCON and prepared to launch on any threat and there were countless reports of UFOs appearing near silos and frying the electric grids in the facilities and in the missles themselves.

Someone may have already made this point, but who says they're extraterrestrial at all? They may be inter-dimensional.

Besides, If the claims of them shutting down our missile sites are true perhaps It's because they don't want us irradiating the planet?

But I've often entertained the idea that these ufo's could be inter-dimensional teenagers whacked on space grass probing primitive rednecks on their way to the next dimensional burger joint to combat the munchies.

I could, of course, be entirely incorrect.

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Don't beg the aliens for help. You've got to stick it out on your own. If everyone went running to each other's aid in a war then it would be silly and everyone would get blown up. It's just how you play the game.