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The "polygamy" of the Scriptures has to be understood Kabbalistically.

Here are explanations of both the symbolic and literal meanings of Initiates having multiple wives (particularly the link titled: "Qur'an: Day of Resurrection, Jesus and Multiple Wives"):

Islam and Polygamy

Practicing Sexual Alchemy/Magic

Qur'an: Day of Resurrection, Jesus and Multiple Wives

reply to post by Lucifer777

Ok if you are not an atheist who do you worship ? or put in a softer way what do you believe in, or better put in who do you believe.

Originally posted by Tamahu

The "polygamy" of the Scriptures has to be understood Kabbalistically.

Here are explanations of both the symbolic and literal meanings of Initiates having multiple wives (particularly the link titled: "Qur'an: Day of Resurrection, Jesus and Multiple Wives"):

gnostic-community.org... Islam and Polygamy button

gnostic-community.org... Practicing Sexual Alchemy/Magic button

gnostic-community.org... Qur'an: Day of Resurrection, Jesus and Multiple Wives button

Oh enough of this nonsense.

Let us take a look at some of the statements in the links above.

"What do we understand by adulterer? When a man has sexual contact with another person that does not belong to him.

gnostic-community.org...

Incidentally, all the great masters that I know of had more than one spouse during their lifetimes. Jesus had at least two mentioned by Samael, then Samael Aun Weor himself had several (which most Gnostic students do not realize), plus the various prophets in the Bible who had several (not simultaneous) wives

gnostic-community.org...

This is not to say that Muhammad did not have multiple wives, having symbolic and occult significance. What this indicates is that the physical life of the Prophet is a representation of what we must accomplish in our spiritual work.

gnostic-community.org...

On Polygamy (many wives), Polyandry (many husbands), Polyamory (many lovers), Monogamy and Thelemic Revolution.

Addendum to the OP (Original Post)

Lucifer 2011



"There shall be no property in human flesh." Nobody has a right to say what anyone else shall or shall not do with his or her body. Establish this principle of absolute respect for others and the whole nightmare of sex is dispelled. Blackmail and prostitution automatically lose their raison d'être. The corrupting influence of hypocrisy breaks like a rotten reed. The sweating of "female labour cheapened by prostitution" (as Bernard Shaw says) becomes impossible."
A.C. Confessions hermetic.com...

The Untermenschen (Subhumans).

Firstly let me say that I find the admiration of religious fanatics such as Samael Aun Weor, Jesus and Mohammad to be the sign of a regressive and primitive mind, and of a morally subhuman (untermensch) slave; and further since in the Gnostic community such persons appear to be commonly referred to as "masters," this is clearly an indication of a slave's mentality; further since these individuals all promoted restrictions on natural human behaviour, those who admire them and attempt to follow their diabolical teachings become persons whose souls are bound by what Nietzsche referred to as "slave morality," and what Crowley referred to as the "sins of restriction." Such abominations to humankind that are the "men of god" are not masters at all, but simply wretched slaves who seek to enslave others in their guilt, fear, misery and hatred of human nature; they are the blind leading the blind who traverse land and sea and sky to find proselytes and sycophants whom they can have a hypnotic power over, and they turn them into twice the child of hell that they once were before they were hypnotised and indoctrinated in the cult of fear.

The Necessity for Revolutionary Holocaust.

A purpose of Thelemic, Anarchist and Communist revolution is of course the total extermination from the face of the earth of such subhuman persons who would promote such malevolent religious teachings; there is simply no other way that I can foresee to transform Hell on earth into Heaven, for I suspect that there will always be those who are simply too hypnotised and indoctrinated to repent of such forms of slave religion and who will fall under the category of those to whom "Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights," must be applied; and of course by "rights" this could be expressed simply as universal human freedom, which in our paternalistic world must apply "especially" to the females of the species who have been little more than slaves for aeons, until the arrival of the feminist movement of the 20th century. Most of the world is unfortunately still very much in a pre-feminist stage, especially in the Islamic regions, the Hindu regions, Africa and in much of the Third World. Many of these religious fanatics believe that in the afterlife they will end up with other Christians, Muslims, Hindus or Gnostics such as themselves; thus exterminating them, would be doing them a favour, and they seem to revel in such "persecution" anyway.

Long have I persecuted the followers of Jesus and Mohammad, however there are also numerous new religious, so-called "masters," who have arisen in the New Age to repackage the diabolical ramblings of the ancient slave religions with more modern slave teachings.

Slavery and Sex Slavery.

Both the Bible and the Koran have been derived from paternalistic (male supremacist) polygamous (many wives) slave societies, and both texts promote the institution of slavery and sex slavery. In both texts a male can have as many wives as he can purchase or can capture in war (though in the case of the Bible, it is only if they are young female virgins; i.e., children).

Having travelled throughout the collective human misery which is the Islamic world, what occurs in practice in such regions is that males who are poor often simply cannot afford to purchase a lifelong sex slave, and males who are rich can purchase as many sex slaves as they wish. Thus old men, who can afford them, purchase young women, and marriages are essentially no more than a form of legalised sex slavery. This causes untold human misery and is clearly a violation of the Law (i.e., Thelemic Law) and thus an executionable offence, which in my judgement must in time become mandatory.

In the Islamic slave trade in Africa, it was commonplace to castrate the male slaves and remove their tongues; the male slaves had no sexual or conversational purpose anyway, other than labour slavery, and the female slaves were usually used as sex slaves by their masters, for the breeding of future generations of slaves. The slave trader, Mohammed, by some accounts had up to 23 wives and concubines, and like Moses, encouraged the taking of female prisoners during military campaigns for the purposes of sex slavery.

Also practiced in the Islamic world is "Mutah" which is a temporary marriage contract for a day or a year, or whatever is defined by their contract; particularly favoured and prized are young virgins who then have to spend the rest of their youth as prostitutes until they are too old to be of value to anyone.

It is of course not only the Koran and the Bible from which the major diabolical slave religions are derived, but also from the Vedas and from the teachings of numerous NRM's (New Religious Movements) which have the future potential to replace the old slave religions if they are not subjected to eradication at some point in future history; an eradication which I consider to be inevitable, mandatory and necessary for the salvation of humankind.

Polyandry (“many men,” though in practice, meaning one woman with many husbands) is very rare in the world, and most commonly occurs in Bhutan, Nepal, Tibet and parts of India. While this may be a more satisfying arrangement for a woman, it is still a form of marriage and restricts the will of the male, to whom other women are restricted, since they are the property of other men, and similarly restricts the natural erotic desire of the woman to her husbands.

The Polyamorous Mind & Demonic Posession.

When we study human sexual psychology, we find that it appears to be universal, irrespective of how people behave, due to social or religious conditioning, that the human mind is not monogamous. Western society is slowly beginning to come around to the widespread practice of polyamory (many lovers), especially among those who have access to the Internet and for the younger generation for whom sexual education often begins with Internet pornography, and where the abundance of sexual contact sites offer a glimpse into the future polyamorous "heaven on earth." The current sexual revolution and pornographic revolution have progressive aspects which are contributing to the necessary anti-religious revolution.

Despite the Capitalist element of Internet pornography which can often lead to exploitation and abuse, as I have argued in the OP (Original Post), it is the image of persons entwined in love and lust which most resembles the divine image; not the diabolical image of a celibate priest. I am not of course, uncritical of certain aspects of the Capitalist pornography industry, however it is the indication of a subhuman, human-nature-hating demonic soul who considers erotic images to be somehow shameful or unnatural; on the contrary, the pursuit of erotic desire is part of our sacred will; however this should not be confused with sex slavery (such as marriage), which is the desire to possess a person's body and soul, and is essentially the definition of "demonic possession."

Of course, we are not merely erotic creatures, we are also creatures of love and human emotion; we are social creatures, however it is ultimately slavery and sex slavery which causes the separation of love and erotic desire. The idea of a woman spending their life as the private property of a single male is simply a crime against nature.

“No gods, no masters. For every slave a master, and for every master a slave; neither slaves nor masters be.” The New Heaven and the New Earth.

Although I am no longer a "follower" of OSHO, nor indeed do I worship "any" god or master, yet despite all his flaws and eccentricities, I nevertheless forsee that his anti-theistic, anti-guru philosophy and his philosophy of polyamory would lead to the salvation of humankind from aeons of enslavement. The creation of the New Heaven (psychological and sexual liberation) depends upon the eradication of organised religion and of the proponents of the "slave morality" of the past, just as the New Earth depends upon socialist revolution (economic liberation). The plethora of vile New Age "masters," messiahs and maitreyas such as Samael Aun Weor, Sun Myung Moon, L. Ron Hubbard and a host of others who promote a modernised version of slave morality and homophobia are simply, in my judgement, demonic and diabolical subhuman vermin. Death and Hell shall be the only reward for they who promote the slave religions of the ancient and modern world. My eternal curse upon such vile wretches shall never be lifted.

“There shall be no property in human flesh."

Lucifer
Enemy of God
"No mercy on they who deserve none."


"Trample down the Heathen; be upon them, o warrior, I will give you of their flesh to eat!....

Fear not at all; fear neither men nor Fates, nor gods, nor anything......nor any other power in heaven or upon the earth or under the earth.......

I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men.

Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!
With my Hawk’s head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.
I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.
With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.
Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.
Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!
A.C. Book of the Law.

Islamic Marriage and Legalized Prostitution
by Sujit Das
Extracts; entire essay on:
www.islam-watch.org...

20 Feb, 2008

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... Muhammad viewed women as domestic animals. In his farewell sermon Muhammad equated women to cattle. Tabari (IX:113) recorded (cited Winn, 2004, p. 557) “Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.” As per Sunaan Abu Dawud 11.2155; Women, slaves and camels are same; must seek Allah's refuge from all these. Muhammad’s teaching was too great. During 2007, a man (of forty years) from Afghanistan first shaved his wife Nazia’s (of seventeen years) head and then cut off her ears, and nose and broke her teeth with a stone, knocked her down and beat her severely until her hands and legs were broken and burnt her feet with boiling water while she fainted, on the first day of Eid ul Adha, an Islamic ritual of sacrifice. Nazia is his second wife. He already killed his first wife. (Hairan, 2007; IRIN, 2007). This is how some Muslims celebrate Eid festival; sacrificing own wife in place of a camel. Camels are costly but women are cheap.

In Urdu, women are called ‘aurat’ (عورت), which came from the Arabic word ‘awrah’ (عورة). The Arabic word refers to the genitals of a woman’s body, in a simple and straightforward word, which is called the ‘vagina’. It means, the entire body of a Muslim woman is a huge vagina and nothing else (Warraq, 2005. p. 316). How many Urdu speaking Asian Muslims know this fact that for referring their mothers, sisters and daughters, they use a word which actually degrades their women folks?

‘Nikah’ (Muslim marriage, النكاح) is an Arabic word whose literal meaning is penetration (Kaleeby, 2002; Warraq, 2005). It can be pronounced as ‘Nokh’, which again means the ‘awrah’, the giant vagina, i.e, the entire body of a Muslim woman. When the word ‘Nikah’ is used to mean marriage, the actual meaning is not marriage but literally ‘sexual penetration’. Ignorant Muslims often use these words, without knowing their actual meaning and degrade their woman folks to the level of sex-slaves and cheap highway prostitutes.

Kasem (n. d) concluded that the method of securing such sexual / physical pleasure is very similar to a commercial / business transaction. In plain language, this is called prostitution. In all cases of marriage and sex, the women are treated merely as sex-objects, much like the provider of a service for which she must be paid some compensation.

.... when a Muslim marries off his sister or daughter to another Muslim family, he actually auctions his sister’s or daughter’s soft and warm vagina for a quick financial profit. If the ‘mahr’ is not sufficient, then as per ‘Sha’ria’ Law, the marriage can be cancelled. Often the wife does not get to use the ‘mahr’ for herself. This money is used to furnish the house of the newly married couple or her father grabs the entire amount (Warraq, 2005, p. 311). In an Islamic marriage, there is hardly a trace of romantic love. One rarely finds love poetry in their marriage songs.

Kasem (n. d) furthermore lamented taking reference from an authentic ‘Sha’ria’ Law book, that the husband’s rights include but not limited to ‘…ownership of a woman’s body to do as he likes including beating… a husband possesses full right to enjoy his wife’s person (from top of her head to the bottom of her feet!) in what does not physically harm her… he is entitled to take her with him when he travels.’

Besides above, Kasem (n. d) continued by taking reference from another book The Hedaya Commentary on the Islamic Laws. This book is frequently used by Sha’ria lawyers in the interpretation of Islamic laws. It says, “…full dower is the payment for the delivery of woman’s person, ‘Booza’, meaning ‘Genitalia arvum Mulieris’ ”

Kasem (n.d) with disgust concluded, “Yes, you read it correctly. The meaning of ‘Genitalia arvum Mulieris’ is woman’s vagina. The above few sentences clearly meant that a woman sells her vagina in return for the dower. This is a commercial transaction. .....’’

Though Kasem was blunt in his statement, but truly the Islamic Holy Scripture Al-Hadis is in agreement with him. As per Mishkat al-Masabih, "A woman is like a private part. When she goes out the devil casts a glance at her".

Under Sha’ria Law, the husband is not obliged to pay for her medical expenses in case of illness (Warraq, 2005. p. 311).

The divine law of Allah, Sha’ria, does not recognize ‘forced sex’ on women after marriage. There is nothing called marital rape. Once ‘mahr’ is paid, the wife is a legal sex-slave of the man (often next to three other equally helpless wives). In prostitution, a customer does not need to bother about the sexual gratification of the prostitute. Similarly, the sexual desires and preferences of the women are not recognized in Islam. Marital rape incidents are too high in Bangladesh, as Azad (1995, p. 240) lamented, “For a woman, the first night after marriage is the night of forcible sex. ".....

Elsewhere, Azad (1995, p. 248) again lamented, “Here [Bangladesh], there are single rapes and multiple rapes. Here; father rapes daughter, son-in-law rapes mother-in-law … top executive rapes sweeper of the office, teacher rapes girl student, Imam rapes the kindergarten girl, brother-in-law rapes the sister-in-law, father-in-law rapes daughter-in-law…”[original in Bengali, translated by author].

Islam’s attitude towards women can better be understood from a sixteenth century treatise, The perfumed garden by Shaykh Nefzawi. “Do you know women’s religion is in their vaginas?” Nefzawi asked, “they are insatiable as per as their vulvas are concerned, and so long as their lust is satisfied they do not care whether it is a buffoon, a negro, a valet, or even a despised man. It is Satan, who makes the juices flow from their vaginas” (cited Warraq, 1995. p. 290).

Warraq (1995) lamented “Islam has always considered women as creatures inferior in every way; physically, intellectually, and morally. The negative vision is divinely sanctioned in Koran, corroborated by the Hadiths and perpetuated by the commentaries of the theologians, the custodians of Muslim dogma and ignorance”.

The Sha’ria Law permits temporary marriages. This is called Mutah marriage, which is nothing more than a form of prostitution in the guise of marriage. As per Dictionary of Islam, Mutah is ‘a marriage contracted for a limited period, for a certain sum of money’. (cited Brahmachari, 2008). Under this system a Muslim can change his wife everyday. It’s a temporary permit for sexual service and hence a legalized prostitution.

The Indian Mullahs and Maulvies are very much aware of this divine sanction in Islamic marriage. In Hyderabad, a mega-city of India, these Mullahs and Maulvies work as pimps for old Arabs. Many heavily rich but morally bankrupt Arabs visit Hyderabad and marry young Indian Muslim girls in assistance with the local Mullahs for a period of 15-30 days. After satisfying their lust using these poor Muslim girls and enjoying the Indian hospitality, these Arabs divorce (Islamic divorce - triple talaq) the girls after robbing them of their virginity and respect and return to their lands as respectable grand-fathers and fathers. In one incident, an old man called Muhammad Zafer Yaqub Hassan al Jorani from Sharjah married Haseena Begum; a 19 year old girl on May 7, 2004 and after two days divorced her. Again on May 24, he married another 16 year old girl Ruksana Begum. Haseena, reported the matter to police and the culprit was arrested together with the shameless Mullah-pimp Shamsuddin who received 40,000 Indian rupees from Jorani. Jorani already had two wives and 11 children back home. As per another report published on Hindu-Voice January 2007 issue, a 60 year old rich Arab married 3 girls, Afreen, Farheena and Sultana, at a single sitting within ten minutes in Hyderabad. (Brahmachari, 2008).
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Majhar Hussain, the president of the Confederation of Voluntary Agencies said, “This [Mutah marriage] is turning the young Muslim girls into prostitutes”. (cited Brahmachari, 2008). If this practice keeps on going unabated and these Mullahs are not stopped, then very soon Hyderabad might become the centre of legalized, Sha’ria-approved Islamic whore city, another ‘Brothel Mecca’ of fornication sought by Muslim men mostly from the Arab world. Many Muslims will be seen coming to India for Sex-Hajj (i.e, Islamic sex pilgrimage). Once there is shortage of young virgin girls, Mullahs will probably look for young Muslim housewives to carry on the prostitution.

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In Islam, even the breast-milk of a woman does not belong to her and the husband (who purchased her with ‘mahr’) has the lawful right on it. When the adult husband forcefully drinks the milk of his wife under ‘Sha’ria’, the milk is treated as a food and not as foster milk. According to Malik’s Muwatta (Book 30, Number 30.1.11), "Suckling…after the first two years, little or much, it does not make anything haram. It is like food." As per another Hadith from Malik’s Muwatta (Book 30, Number 30.2.14), a Muslim man is divinely allowed to drink his wife’s milk (or, multiple wives’ milk on choice and test) regularly and still can remain her sex-partner (Truly, a Muslim has a lot of advantages over non-Muslims!). ...........

As per Sha’ria, a woman can be married at any age even when she is a newly born baby. Khomeini said "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby” (Paz, 2006). What Khomeini said was ethically wrong but islamically divine. Muhammad, the master of darkness was a sex-maniac. Much had been written about his superb collection of wives (which includes baby Aisha and daughter-in-law Zainab), slave-girls and concubines. The lesser known fact is that, once he was sexually attracted to a crawling baby also. Ibn Ishaq, the earliest and most authentic biographer of the prophet recorded in his book Sirat Rasul Allah.

“…the apostle saw her (Ummu’l-Fadl) when she was baby crawling before him and said, ‘If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.’ But he died before she grew up…”

Umar (Khulafa Rashedin, the rightly guided Caliph) followed Muhammad’s footsteps and married Umm Kulthum, the four years old half-sister of Aisha. This is the divinity of Islam. If both Prophet and Caliph are abnormal, how can we blame Khomeini ? Encouraging child marriage is same as advocating child prostitution.

Polygamy is allowed in Koran (4:3). A Muslim can take maximum four wives a time. In India, the Mughal emperor Akbar’s foster brother Mirza Aziz had a droll explanation as to why a man needed four wives. ‘A man must marry one woman of Hindustan to rear up children, one wife from Khurasan to do the household work, one woman from Iran to keep company and talk’. And the fourth ? ‘Why? One woman from Transoxiana to whip the other three and keep peace’(Early, 1977 p. 666).

Al-Ghazali advices to all Muslims, “If one woman does not suffice, take some more (up to four). If still you have not found peace, change them”.

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Throughout the history, Muslim rulers used to have a closely guarded wing called ‘harem’. In Arabic a ‘harem’ is a prohibited place where all the ‘begums’ (wives) live – vacuum-sealed world of their own. In plain language these harems are private brothels. In India, the Mughal haram was an immense establishment.

Akbar, the Mughal Emperor had more than 5000 women (Early, 1977. p. 642). Out of this, his private wives numbered only 300 and rest all was concubines. His son Jahangir had more than 1000 wives. Ali had 200 wives. Ibn al-Teiyib , a famous dyer of Baghdad, who lived to be 85 years, is reported to have 900 wives, al-Mutawakkil had 400 wives – each of whom had shared his bed one night only (Durant, 1950, p. 222). Muhammad’s grandson Hasan had up to 300 wives. Hasan often married four wives in one sitting and then divorced four wives in one sitting (Kasem, n. d). Muslims have no respect for celibacy. Most Muslim saints are married with a houseful of kids. Durant (1950) commented, ‘Perhaps Islam erred in the opposite direction, and carried marriage to the extreme’.

Abul Fazl,(cited Early, 1977 p. 643) had an excellent reason for the support of polygamy - ‘Just as for other people more than one wife is not suitable, so for great persons more are necessary, so that their dwellings may be more splendid, and a large number people may be supported.’

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In the orthodox Muslim families in Middle Eastern countries, the father or the brother might marry off the woman to whomever he wished before she became of age. Love marriages are generally unheard of and prohibited, because in a love-match the villainous man gets too much for nothing. Girls are usually married by the age of twelve, and are mothers at the age of thirteen or fourteen (Durant, 1950; p. 220). .....

In general, women have no meaningful life (the situation is not much changed since the time of Muhammad) of their own in Islam. Even at the lowest stratum of society, where gender inequality has little meaning, their life is bleaker than men. Wretchedly poor and undernourished, their health is broken by intermittent childbearing, weighed down by endless drudgery, often in addition to work alongside their men in the field, there was not much more to their lives than bare existence. In Afghanistan and in Bangladesh, more than half of the teenage girls are married. In Iran, Girls often get married when they are only nine (Spencer, 2005). In Bangladesh, 59 percent girls suffer from malnutrition and 10 percent girls suffer from acute malnutrition. (UNDP, 1995).

Even for the middle-class and upper-class Muslim women the situation is same, as Manucci (1989) observed “they [Muslim women] had no cultural interest beyond their blind and routine devotions, had no social life outside the circle of their extended families, no role in the society”

.... In Pakistan, Islamic fundamentalists are too opposed to education of women. In one lawless five-day period in February, 2004; the fundamentalists burnt down eight girls schools (Spencer, 2005). The Mullahs in Pakistan, while addressing rebellious women in Rawalpindi cautioned, “Let these women be warned, we will tear them to pieces. We will give them such terrible punishments that no one in the future will dare to raise a voice against Islam.” (cited Warraq, 2005. p. 321)

.....As Ascha (1989) concluded, “Islam is the fundamental cause of the repression of the Muslim women and remains the major obstacle to the evolution of their position.”

....; domestic violence is the most widespread and common form of violence against women and young girls in Muslim families. Child brides live with older men who expect them to carry out all the duties of an adult woman, even if those responsibilities are too great for a child, let alone a woman. Frequently, the husbands assert their authority in the home through physical violence and consider wife torture a heroic deed. In Egypt twenty-nine percent of married adolescents have been beaten by their husbands; out of this forty-one percent during pregnancy. In Jordan, twenty-six percent of reported cases of domestic violence were committed against wives under eighteen. As per one report by Amnesty International; over ninety percent of Pakistani wives have been mishandled (struck, beaten, or abused sexually) for minor offences like cooking unsatisfactory meal and failure to give birth of a male child (Spencer, 2005). Wife beating is sanctioned by Allah (Koran 4:34). In a Hadith Muhammad advised, “Hang up your whip where your wife can see it” (cited Warraq, 2005. p. 314). In Sudan, the genital passage of the divorced women and widows are closed by stitching keeping a small portion open for menses (Azad, 2005. p. 197).

Even Muhammad raised his violent hand on his child bride, Aisha. It is recorded in Sahih Muslim, Book 004, number 2127 (cited Kasem, 2005) – once while sleeping with Aisha, Muhammad secretly left his bed and went to the graveyard at Baqi; Aisha spied and followed Muhammad; when Muhammad learned Aisha’s misdeed he hit her (beat her) on her chest that caused much pain to her. This divine act of wife-beating is recorded in The History of al-Tabari. Vol. IX, (cited Kasem, 2005). However, the ‘kind’ treatment of women does not end here. Kasem (2005) cited another Hadith from Sunaan Abu Dawud (11.2142) – ‘The Prophet said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife’. Somalia Muslims whip their newly wedded wives on the very first night (Azad, 1995. p. 197, Miles, 1988. p. 89). Merciless beating without any reason is a religious tradition in Somalia.

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In pre-Islamic Arabia women were free, happy and respectful. They used to take part in meetings, often attended in court of law with similar equality of man; run business (Khadija, the first wife of Muhammad was a business women and employed several men to look after her business); even fought many battles. Only under Islam they were animalized.

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Originally posted by pepsi78
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

Ok if you are not an atheist who do you worship ? or put in a softer way what do you believe in, or better put in who do you believe.

I thought that I had made myself quite clear in the OP (original post). However, to simplify, I do not "worship" any of the gods or goddesses (ancestral spirits); I merely make demands; it is their obedience to my will which I require of them, and I eternally curse all the gods and masters of heaven and earth who refuse to submit.

With regards to atheism and theism, this is a complex question since there is no singular defintion of god and the gods; however since ATS is an American and English language forum, and the main deity of the English speaking world is the primitive Bonze Age tribal deity of the Bible, I do believe that this diabolical human-nature-hating deity exists in a number of ways; firstly it exists in the imagination of the believers, however each believer projects their own personal beliefs and prejudices onto this figment of their imagination, based upon a "cherry picking" and "quote mining" of the text to suit their own person misinterpretations and bigotry; thus this is not a singular deity; rather there are as many deities as there are believers. Secondly I believe that the Biblical deity was an anthropomorphic projection of the minds of the Biblical authors. The authors of the Torah probably believed in slavery and polygamy so their tribal deity believed in slavery and polygamy, etc. Thirdly with regards to whether the genocidal, savage and human hating deity of the Bible actually exists or not in another dimension (i.e., in the afterlife, the ancestral realms); yes I do believe this, but I do not believe that it is a singular ancestral spirit, but rather that their exists myriads of such malevolent human-hating ancestral spirits who seek to possess the souls of those on earth, and to transform them into religious schizophrenics. I further beleive that when such believers on earth pass over to the spiritual world, that they become the possession of such malevolent ancestral spirits (i.e., the gods).

Unfortunately "religion" is just an abstract concept; it has no real meaning outside the human mind; thus the only possible way to eradicate religion is through the eradication of the "religionists;" which is of course the Communist objective. Unfortunately, since Christianity, like Islam is a militant faith with a genocidal war god, only a militant and genocidal Final Solution would suffice to eradicate such religious vermin. The other more "peaceful" way of freeing people from religious hypnosis and indoctrination is through education; however unfortunately in a nuclear age, I very much doubt if there will be sufficient time for the secularisation of humankind to come about, prior to the outbreak of apocalyptic religious wars.

Lux

reply to post by Lucifer777

I had hoped you left.

You map the atrocities of your enemy, but in the same breath and past posts speak of persecuting them. You've even spoken of genocide. You are no better than that which you seek yo destroy.

I find your childish rhetoric humorous. I love how throughout all your posts you talk of people and now the supernatural submitting to your will. Your over aggressiveness is funny. It's almost like you think you're God

You also sound like a Scientologist.

You speak of eradication but call others militant. Not all who practice religions are violent fundamentalists who think exactly how you do.

but rather that their exists myriads of such malevolent human-hating ancestral spirits who seek to possess the souls of those on earth, and to transform them into religious schizophrenics. I further beleive that when such believers on earth pass over to the spiritual world, that they become the possession of such malevolent ancestral spirits (i.e., the gods).

That is interesting Luci, you are a believer?

I do not "worship" any of the gods or goddesses (ancestral spirits); I merely make demands;

So you are making demands of these same gods?

Reply to post by Lucifer777

Thank you Lucifer777, all of this fascinating information brought to one well organized thread makes my brain tickle with anticipation, Crowley has been a man I've found to be one of the few most interesting subjects, along with anything sharing a correlation, that has caught my attention.
Better understanding of the majority of the subjects you have presented has been sought after by me for some time.
I shall now read it again, good pass time at work.


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Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

I had hoped you left.

You map the atrocities of your enemy, but in the same breath and past posts speak of persecuting them. You've even spoken of genocide. You are no better than that which you seek yo destroy.

Unfortunately since the faiths based on the Bible and the Koran are militant and genocidal faiths, and have a long history to prove this; their enemies have no choice but to take a similar though dialectically opposite position.

There are of course some Christians who are Liberation Theologians (Neo-Marxists) and Anarchists and who consider Jesus to have been an anti-propertyist and anti-Capitalist (i.e., a primitivist Communist), but unfortunately they are the minority and are not representative of Christians in general; indeed they are considered heretics by most Christians, which of course all Christians are anyway, since they universally reject the teachings and religion (i.e., Judaism) of Jesus, though if they were to accept that religion and follow the Mosaic Law to the letter as their Christ demanded the consequences would be "even more" genocidal.

There are anyway numerous militant evangelical Capitalists including members of the US state terrorist military on this site; it is necessary to to take an equally genocidal and militant position in opposition. MIlitant state terrorist evil, generally can only be eradicated by militant opposition and violent revolution.

If you have some "pacifistic" method of removing all Christians, Muslims and ideological Capitalists from the face of the earth, I'd be happy to hear it, but I know of no such method which would be practical and sensible.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

but rather that their exists myriads of such malevolent human-hating ancestral spirits who seek to possess the souls of those on earth, and to transform them into religious schizophrenics. I further beleive that when such believers on earth pass over to the spiritual world, that they become the possession of such malevolent ancestral spirits (i.e., the gods).

That is interesting Luci, you are a believer?

Yes and no. The Bronze Age Biblcial deity was never a monotheistic deity until centuries after the texts were written; he was just one of many tribal deities; so no I don't believe that it is a singular deity; I believe that there are numerous such demonic human-hating ancestral spirits (i.e., demons); but yes I do believe in their existence, though it is not "merely" belief, it is a consequences of a lifetime of shamanic experiences induced by artificial means; I am unable to explain this by means of human reason since it is not a rational conclusion which I arrived at.

I do not "worship" any of the gods or goddesses (ancestral spirits); I merely make demands;

So you are making demands of these same gods?

I refer you to the section on Abramelin Magick in the OP; it is essentially about summoning daemons (including the most malevolent) and the Christian deity is certainly one of the most evil of all archeytpes; however I can assure you that I have sworn eternal hostility against such Christian devils in this life and in eternity and have devoted many years to persecuting their followers on earth.

I cannot really discuss such matters from the point of view of "pure reason" as necromancy and Abramelin Magick is totally irrational to a materialist; it is a totally subjective, inner, personal experience and I cannot really say any more than I already have as apparently discussing certain essential aspects of Crowley's methods are against the ATS TOC, and anyway it is an operation a person has to perform and experience, and I have no wish to encourage anyone; it is not part of any organised religion; it is a purely personal matter, though I have no personal demands; I simply seek the salvation of humankind from the diseases of religion, tyranny and Capitalism. Crowley's methods of course have been described as the inducement of temporary self inflicted schizophrenia, and there is also the danger of the effects being permanent; so there is a mental and physical health warning attached; one is also risking one's eternal soul; if you believe in such a thing.

Lucifer

reply to post by Lucifer777

I simply seek the salvation of humankind from the diseases of religion, tyranny and Capitalism.

I understand your reluctance to go into detail, but I wish you could start a topic on this subject,

I have someone close to me that was into Crowley and necromancy, he said there are things unimaginable, although he no longer practices.

I wont derail you topic with more questions, can you start another?

Do you believe there are angels of light and angels of darkness?
And the dark angels disguise themselves as angels of light and could this possibly be why the whole world has been deceived?

Where do these gods and spirits
come from?

"Lucifer"

You merely picked out parts of the teachings that I've posted links to above, and have taken them out of context.

I'm sure that if we were to ask Samael Aun Weor if in Marriage does the man belong to the woman just as much as the woman belongs the a man, he would say yes he does belong to the woman just as much as she belongs to him. He simply, in that specific instance, worded what he said from the perspective of the man, and that is all.

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." – Genesis 2:24

Litelantes

"Samael [...] encountered Christified female masters such as Joan of Arc. A woman can acheive the same heights as a man. It so happens that many masters when reaching certain levels of initiation choose to take a male body in order to take advantage of certain psychological benefits related to the work they must perform. But it is not required to be male."

"A good number of great Christified Adepts were incarnated in a male body, although many great female Adepts as Kuan Yin, Perenelle, Mataji, Joan of Arc, bravely Christified themselves and resurrected from the dead."

And the word Master means something specific, it is not merely a term to get thrown around as to put various personalities on pedestals.

Master

Like many terms related to spirituality, this one is grossly misunderstood. Although many people claim to be "masters," the truth is that the terrestrial person is only a terrestrial person. The only one who can be a Master is the Innermost, Atman, the Father, Chesed.

"And, behold, one came and said unto [Jesus], Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." - Matthew 19

"The value of the human person which is the intellectual animal called human being is less than the ash of a cigarette. However, the fools feel themselves to be giants. Unfortunately, within all the pseudo-esoteric currents a great amount of mythomaniac people exist, individuals who feel themselves to be Masters, people who enjoy when others call them Masters, individuals who believe themselves to be Gods, individuals who presume to be Saints. The only one who is truly great is the Spirit, the Innermost. We, the intellectual animals, are leaves that the wind tosses about... No student of occultism is a Master. True Masters are only those who have reached the Fifth Initiation of Major Mysteries. Before the Fifth Initiation nobody is a Master." - Samael Aun Weor, The Perfect Matrimony

About Christ and Socialism, I'd like to add here that Samael Aun Weor founded a Christian Socialist Party known as POSCLA, yet the Thelema teachings of Samael Aun Weor are opposed to Marxist-Communism (the Gnostic teachings are also opposed to Nazism and Zionism):

The Seventh Infernal Circle

"Friends, once again we meet here so that we can talk profoundly about the submerged sphere of Saturn.

"Indeed, we are not talking about eternal damnation or endless condemnation. Unquestionably, eternal damnation does not exist, since every punishment—as serious as it may be—has to have a limit, beyond which happiness reigns. So, in this sense, we radically differ from the clerical orthodoxy."

"We recommend the Masonic brothers to study in depth the esotericism of Solomon and the divine wisdom of the land of the Pharaohs. It is necessary, it is urgent, for the Masonic brothers to not fall into the Marxist-Leninist skepticism, into that dialectic for fools.

"Let the Masonic brothers not pronounce themselves against divinity, because this, besides being contrary to their esoteric order of divine origin, will inevitably lead them to the seventh Dantesque circle, the tenebrous region of the violent against God."

– Samael Aun Weor

I believe the ancient prophets and seerers actually made contact with something, how does one know without a shadow of a doubt they are not being deceived,

A few times I accessed something to terrifying for my physical capabilities to handle.

Discernment.

reply to post by Lucifer777

Not everyone who practices those is militant or violent. You cannot judge all by the actions of a few who used religion as an excuse. Man will always find reasons to commit atrocities, just look at the ones committed by the godless commies.

There are anyway numerous militant evangelical Capitalists including members of the US state terrorist military on this site

I am who I am and I have no regrets. Opinions from someone like you means very little to me, I've lived a good and moral life to the best of my ability.

I love how people who have never served in any military have some of the biggest opinions or speak beyond what their general knowledge allows.

I want to remove u one from the face of the Earth. People should be allowed to believe what they want. There shouldn't be a thought police, but you'll disagree. Your fascist, fanatical, and authoritarian beliefs have been seen throughout your posts.

I further beleive that when such believers on earth pass over to the spiritual world, that they become the possession of such malevolent ancestral spirits (i.e., the gods).

Sounds like a new religion to me. How do you know all this, who told you this or where did you read it and how do we know it's like you say ?

Another interesting factor is that you think there is a spirit world but do not trust in god/creator.
So who made the spirit world ?

Even though the Divine can take any form It chooses, and even though the Gods are symbolic of the various Divine faculties and attributes of the Logos (Christ); let us also consider this:

In The Mystical Qabalah, Dion Fortune wrote:

"This brings us to the great question, which might almost be called the Dweller on the Threshold of occult science, the horror which confronts every adventurer into the Unseen which unites in itself the functions of the Sphinx, and asks a question of the soul upon the answer to which hangs his fate. Shall he be condemned to wander in the realms of illusion? Shall he be turned back on to the planes of form, or shall he he permitted to pass on into the Light? This question is, Do you believe in the gods? If he answers Yes, he will be a wanderer in the planes of illusion, for the gods are not real persons as we understand personality. If he answers No, he will be rurned back at the gate, for the gods are not illusions. What then shall he answer?"

Vajranatha: Visions in the Bardo of Reality

"Gradually the familiar scenes begin to fade away and you find your mind increasingly distracted. You wander through many strange and alien landscapes, always searching for something, but never quite knowing what that might be. Eventually the sky opens up before you, becoming a deep blue in color. During successive cycles, you may come to experience five lesser clear lights in five extraordinary primary colors in succession-- white, blue, yellow, red, and green. Then these bright clear lights may become as big as mountains and even come to fill the entire sky before you.

"In these lights you may see visions of the celestial hierarchies that span the heavens. You may see whatever gods you worship, sitting on their thrones, surrounded by choirs of angels, coming to you from the heights of heaven. But failing to recognize these secondary clear lights and these peaceful serene images as the self-manifestations of your own energy of Mind, you again attempt to flee from them in fear of being overwhelmed.

"Thereupon, during the successive cycles you may see more vibrant and darker images of the infernal hierarchies. Again failing to recognize these archetypal images and symbols, both beautiful and terrifying, as self-manifestations of your own energy of Mind, you again attempt to flee from them in fear of being overwhelmed. But these archetypal images are only manifestations of your own purified consciousness. They come from within you, but are projected out into space. Yet, not recognizing them and fearing them in your ignorance, in terror you flee from them and therefore fall once more from the fullness of Reality into deprivation.

"Once again, you will faint and find yourself in a state of unconsciousness for what may seem like many days. However, if in your present life you have been a practitioner of meditation and have experienced these clear light visions in your practice, you will greet them as old friends. Even if you do not recognize them in the Bardo to be the projections of your own Mind, they will remain before your consciousness in all their radiant splendor.

"But if you are not a practitioner, these clear lights will flash by you in less than a moment, like distant flashes of lightening on the dark horizon at midnight. Thus, this Second Bardo, the Bardo of the Clear Light of Reality, will pass you by. You return from the archetypal world to the world of formation that is the domain of your own personal karma."

The Five Pillars of Islam

"During Dhul Hijjah, the month of pilgrimage, Muslims are required to walk several times around the stone.

"This is representative of the White Rose seen in the Empyrean of Dante's Divine Comedy:

"Even the Gods continue Their pilgrimage through the Incomprehensible Absolute.

"Al hamdu 'lillah (All praise is to God).

"As-Salaam Alaikum (Inverential Peace)."

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

Not everyone who practices those is militant or violent.

I would not in any way wish to suggest that all Christians and ideological Capitalists are personally violent; similarly with most ideological Anarchists, Socialists and Communists; mostly they are just intellectuals and humanitarians; however by "non violent" I am referring only to their personal lives and personal social relationships. I am personally not a violent or agressive person.

Ideological militancy is quite another matter; Capitalism and Christianity "are" both militant ideologies. It is never usually generals who initiate wars but rather the "armchair warriors" who are the political and economic elites, and generally they do not start wars if the entire population is opposed to war; there is usually a large section of the population which supports militant Capitalist imperialism; almost all ideological Capitalists and Communists are however "militant" ideologically, since neither system can be supported otherwise, however this is not to suggest that they are violent or aggressive in their personal lives.

Similarly persons serving in the armed forces such as yourself may have very little problem with committing genocide in the Capitalist colonies or in dropping around 2 million tons of depleted uranium on Iraq (and poisoning your own troops in the process), but I am quite sure that many of you may possiby be quite non aggressive with your families and children. Similarly your cult leader the Fieldmarshall, the Duke of Kent is not a football hooligan and is unlikely to get into fights in his local pub or with his cousin HRH Elizabeth Windsor; however he is certainly a living personification of militant, genocidal evil, from an anti-Capitalist perspective.

You cannot judge all by the actions of a few who used religion as an excuse. Man will always find reasons to commit atrocities,

This is rather like arguing that "some" ideological Nazis were very nice people in person. That is not the point. The ideology of Nazism is a militant, genocidal, racist ideology, though it is certainly not as genocidal as the Biblical edicts which if applied would entail the genocide of practically everyone; further the Biblical edicts are even "worse" than racism; they are "tribalistic" and call for war against the Genitles (i.e., foreigners, other tribes) and for their total extermination, even though they were essentially "racially" no different; further the political ideology of the Bible is that of the genocidal theocratic Fascist Monarchy of a global "king of kings (i.e., a global dictator)," for whom it is predicted that he will put all non believers and opponents to death; only an incredibly evil and morally subhuman person would believe in such a diabolical and genocidal Biblical deity, irrespective of whether they have the excuse of being hypnotised and indoctrinated since birth or not. Thus it is a perfectly fair dialectical response to demand the genocide of Christians; irrespective of whether I actually believe that or not. T

just look at the ones committed by the godless commies.

We have been over this matter before as I recall, and from my years of debating with ideological Capitalist vermin, I can tell you that these kind of statements and my responses will be unlikely to change either of us. I am not responsible for the failures of Mao's collectivisation programmes in certain periods or for periods of drought in China, nor for Stalin's genocides; I am not a Stalinist and neither are most 21st century Communists, we almost universally share Trotsky's position that Stalin betrayed the Socialist Revolution and turned it into his personal monarchy; nor I am responsible for Pol Pot's atrocities though the CIA and the US military certainly were responsible for engineering his rise to power.

If I recount the death toll of post WW2 US state terrorist, narco-terrorist wars, covert wars, military coups, black operations and their puppet regimes of the Far Right, or the 200 million victims of Capitalism who are almost always on the verge of starvation, it is unlikley to make no more difference to a militant, genocidal ideological Capitalist such as yourself any more than the Nazi genocides matter to a Nazi. Since I consider militant ideological Capitalists and uspporters of US state terrorism / narco-terrrorism and imperialism to be morally subhuman, I expect no more sympathy from you for the victims of the Capitalist system victims than I would from an animal gorging on his prey, or a slavermaster for his slave. Similarly I have a moral obligation to show not an iota of sympathy towards you or your kind; the eventual extermination of all ideological Capitalists and religionists from the face of the earth will be an insignificant detail of history ; I don't consider them anyway to be fully human beings.

"Hatred as an element of the struggle; a relentless hatred of the enemy, impelling us over and beyond the natural limitations that man is heir to and transforming him into an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy." Che Guevara

Similarly the US military are not trained to love their enemies (a stupid idea anyway), but to kill them; thus you have very little grounds to complain about those who seek to eradicate US Imperialism, but whatever means necessary, and in a nuclear age, I consider this to be eventually inevitable.

There are anyway numerous militant evangelical Capitalists including members of the US state terrorist military on this site

I am who I am and I have no regrets. Opinions from someone like you means very little to me, I've lived a good and moral life to the best of my ability.

I love how people who have never served in any military have some of the biggest opinions or speak beyond what their general knowledge allows.

I want to remove u one from the face of the Earth. People should be allowed to believe what they want. There shouldn't be a thought police, but you'll disagree. Your fascist, fanatical, and authoritarian beliefs have been seen throughout your posts.

You are a member of the world's largest terrorist organisation (the US military) who is also the world's major narcotics trafficker. Militant US Imperialism defines a fanatical Neofascist authoritarian economic dictatorship. I "do" have a problem with people who are members of militant, genocidal religions (such as the Biblical faith) and with militant ideological Capitalists such as yourself. Anyway, as I have reminded you before, as Henry Kissenger stated "Military men are “dumb, stupid animals to be used” as pawns for foreign policy," and he was most certainly correct with regards to the US state terrorist military.

Coups Arranged or Backed
by the USA

www.krysstal.com...

Since 1945, the USA has been responsible either directly or indirectly of helping remove dozens of governments, many democratically elected, around the world. Sometimes the events are kept secret for years and only slowly come out. Other times, the events are the cause of demonstrations, anger and resentment at the time they occur.
Whenever, an event like this occurs there are two reasons to be considered.


Reason 1: The reason given by the USA, its media and its friends around the world. Reasons like Communism, Terrorism, Human Rights, Freedom, Liberation, Weapons of Mass Destruction, etc.

Reason 2: The actual reason. This is usually hidden from the general public and has to be looked for in quotes by under-reported officials or subsequent events on the ground. Often, the victims of the change of government know the real reasons better than the populations of the Western countries. Real reasons are many but usually include Business Interests, Access to Resources, Markets, Military Bases, Strategic Value, or Political Support.
In the list below only successful changes of government are listed. Many attempts have failed. Cuba is the best example of this.

Year Country Reason Given Actual Reason
1949 Syria Communism Elected government against USA political interests and pro-Palestinian.
1949 Greece Communism Elected government against USA political and economic interests.
1952 Cuba None Elected government against USA business interests.
1953 Iran None Elected government against USA oil interests.
1953 British Guyana None Access to sugar and bauxite.
1954 Guatemala Communism Elected government against USA business interests.
1955 South Vietnam Communism French backed leader replaced by USA backed leader.
1957 Haiti Haiti is near the USA Previous government against USA business interests.
1958 Laos None Pro-USA government wanted.
1959 Laos None Pro-USA government wanted.
1960 South Korea Communism Previous leader not strong enough for USA.
1960 Laos None Pro-USA government wanted.
1960 Ecuador Communism Previous government too independent in foreign policy.
1963 Dominican Republic Business Interests Elected government against USA business interests.
1963 South Vietnam None Previous leader's policies led to televised suicides.
1963 Honduras Communism Pro-USA government and access to resources.
1963 Guatemala Communism Military government was about to allow elections.
1963 Ecuador None Elected government too independent.
1964 Brazil Communism Access to resources and cheap labour.
1964 Bolivia Communism Previous government too independent in foreign policy.
1965 Zaire None Access to cobalt, copper and diamonds.
1966 Ghana None Previous government too independent in foreign policy.
1967 Greece None Military bases.
1970 Cambodia None Previous king against USA political interests.
1970 Bolivia None Country took ownership of its oil and tin.
1972 El Salvador Communism Elected leader against USA business interests.
1973 Chile Communism Elected government against USA business interests.
1979 South Korea None Pro-USA government wanted.
1980 Liberia Democracy Pro-USA government wanted.
1982 Chad None Pro-USA government wanted.
1983 Grenada Democracy Pro-USA government wanted.
1987 Fiji Democracy Previous elected government supported nuclear-free Pacific.
2002 Venezuela None Disagreed with foreign policy of elected government.
2004 Haiti Fraudulent elections Disagreed with economic policy of elected government.
2009 Honduras Attempted to Change Constitution Disagreed with economic and foreign policy of elected government.

USA Invasions, Bombings,
Military Aid, Political Interventions
and Sanctions

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Introduction
When the USA is not actively removing governments it disapproves of, it is normally very busy interfering in other nations' affairs. The interference may be financial, military, overt (out in the open) or covert (under-cover, secret).
Whenever the event, there are two reasons to be considered.


Reason 1: The reason given by the USA, its media and its friends around the world. Reasons like Communism, Terrorism, Human Rights, Freedom, Liberation, Weapons of Mass Destruction, etc.

Reason 2: The actual reason. This is usually hidden from the general public and has to be looked for in quotes by under-reported officials or subsequent events on the ground. Real reasons are many but usually include Business Interests, Access to Resources, Markets, Military Bases, Strategic Value, or Political Support.
The given reasons have evolved as the politics of the world has changed. Where it was once Communism then Fundamentalism, it is now Weapons or Terrorism.

All of this assumes that the USA has the unilateral right to dictate to other countries how they should run their political, religious, economic and cultural affairs. This is an assumption that is never challenged in the Western media.

The USA frequently interferes in nations' elections. At the same time it is against the law to interfere in USA elections. The USA often insists on countries having United Nations inspections for weapons programs while denying access for its own extensive chemical, nuclear and biological armoury. The USA will use the international legal system when it suits but ignore its resolutions if they go against the USA. This behaviour is reported around the world leading to much anger and resentment at the USA. Little of this gets reported to the USA public however.

The USA has, by far, bombed more countries than any other nation. Sometimes the United Nations approves. If it does not, the USA will bomb anyway. Many countries are subject to unilateral economic sanctions by the USA. Cuba is a good example. The USA will not only impose sanctions but often cajoles and bullies other countries to follow it. Again, the United Nations is used if possible, and ignored if not.

Much of the world feels like there is one law for the USA and its friends, another law for everyone else.


Year Country Action Reason Given Actual Reason
1947 France Election Finance;
Economic Coersion Communism Wanted pro-USA government and French recolonisation of Vietnam.
1947 Italy Election Finance;
Economic Coersion Communism Wanted pro-USA and pro-business government.
1947 Greece Military Backing Communism Wanted pro-USA government and military bases.
1947 Philippines Election Finance None Military bases.
1948 Peru Military Backing None Control of government.
1948 Vietnam Military Backing Communism Support for French recolonisation. Fear of independent Vietnam.
1948 Nicaragua Military Backing None Pro-USA government and access to plantations.
1949 China Arms Sales;
Bombing Communism Access to a pro-USA and pro-business government.
1950 Colombia Food Aid Humanitarian Destruction of an agricultural rival.
1950 Korea Killing Civilians None Unknown.
1950 Puerto Rico Military Action None To crush independence movement.
1953 Philippines Election Finance None Wanted pro-USA government and military bases.
1954 Vietnam Military Backing Communism Fear of united and powerful independent country.
1955 Europe Election Finance None Wanted united pro-USA, pro-NATO and anti-socialist Europe.
1956 Egypt Sanctions Communism Country took ownership of its Suez Canal and opposed USA Middle East policy.
1957 Jordan Military Training None Wanted strong pro-USA government.
1958 Lebanon Military Action None Removal of anti-West dissidents.
1958 Indonesia Election Finance None Government is against USA business interests.
1958 Japan Election Finance None To keep pro-USA governments in power.
1959 Haiti Military Action None To crush rebellion against pro-USA government.
1959 Nepal Covert Action None To help pro-USA government win power.
1960 Congo Assassination None Wanted to remove popular and nationalist leader; access to minerals.
1960 Cuba Trade Embargo Communism Country using its resources for its own people.
1960 Iraq Destabilisation None Leader founds and supports OPEC.
1961 Cuba Secret Invasion None Country using its resources for its own people.
1961 Dominican Republic Assassination None Unknown.
1962 Vietnam Military Action Communism Country wanted unity and independence.
1962 Cuba Economic Sabotage None Country using its resources for its own people.
1962 Brazil Election Finance None Wanted pro-business government.
1962 Dominican Republic Political Coersion None Unknown.
1963 Iraq Assassination;
Intelligence Communism Previous government against USA oil interests; removal of dissidents.
1963 El Salvador Advisors Communism Removal of anti-USA dissidents.
1964 North Vietnam Bombing None Removal of independent government.
1964 South Vietnam Torture Training Communism Suppression of independence movements.
1964 Panama Military Action Law and Order Suppression of movement demanding return of canal.
1965 Vietnam Military Action Communism To keep the country from uniting.
1965 Dominican Republic Intervention Communism To keep elected leader from returning to power.
1965 Indonesia Intelligence Communism Removal of dissidents. Helping a pro-business regime.
1965 Laos Destabilisation;
Bombing Communism Denial of support for Vietnam.
1965 Thailand Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government; military bases.
1965 Peru Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1966 Vietnam Village Clearing;
Bombing Communism Political control of the country.
1966 Laos Bombing None Denial of support for Vietnam.
1966 Central Africa Finance None Access to uranium.
1966 Bolivia Election Finance None Access to minerals and oil.
1967 Vietnam Military Action Communism Political control of the country.
1967 Cuba Assassination None Removal of popular leader.
1968 Vietnam Village Clearing;
Bombing Communism Political control of country.
1969 Cambodia Secret Bombing None Denial of support for Vietnam.
1969 Vietnam Military Action Communism Political control of country.
1970 North Vietnam Bombing None Control of country.
1970 Uruguay Torture Training None To keep opposition from taking power.
1970 Oman Military Assistance None Unknown.
1971 Laos Invasion None Control of country.
1971 Vietnam Military Action None Control of country.
1972 North Vietnam Blockade;
Bombing None Control of country.
1972 Nicaragua Troops Business interests Support for business and pro-USA government.
1972 Australia Election Finance None Did not like Labour Party foreign policy.
1972 Iraq Aid to Kurds Humanitarian To destabilise Iraq as it had a quarrel with USA ally, Iran.
1973 Cambodia Bombing None Control of country.
1974 Vietnam Trade Embargo Communism The Vietnamese were winning against the USA.
1974 Zaire Military Aid None Control of resources.
1974 Portugal Election Finance None Did not want socialist government to take power.
1975 Vietnam Economic Attack Communism To stop country developing as a model for the region.
1975 East Timor Support of Invasion None Did not want a new independent state; oil.
1975 Iraq Change of Support None Kurdish rebels no longer of use.
1975 Morocco Support of Invasion None Morocco grants use of military bases in return.
1976 Indonesia Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1976 Philippines Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1977 Pakistan Military Aid None Support for unelected pro-USA government.
1977 Egypt Economic Coersion None To remove Egypt from the anti-Israel camp.
1977 Zaire Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1977 Indonesia Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1978 Guatemala Military Aid;
Economic Aid None Support for unelected pro-USA government.
1979 Iran Habouring Dictator None New government wants control of its resources, especially oil.
1979 Central Africa Economic Aid None Support for pro-business government.
1979 Afghanistan Military Aid Repel USSR To repel USSR and break their economy.
1979 Cambodia Aid to Khmer Rouge None To please new ally China; to antagonise Vietnam.
1979 Vietnam Economic Blockade Communism To stop country developing as a model for the region.
1979 Yemen Military Aid None To please ally, Saudi Arabia.
1980 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Stop opposition to pro-USA government.
1980 Honduras Troops Communism Protect resources and create anti-Nicaragua bases.
1980 Iraq Military Aid Islamic Iran Wanted to destabilise new anti-USA government of Iran.
1980 Cambodia Military Aid None To destabilise Vietnamese backed government and to please new ally, China.
1980 Italy Terrorism None To discredit socialist election candidates and to heighten fear of the USSR.
1980 South Korea Military Aid;
Political Support None Suppress opposition to pro-USA government.
1981 Tanzania Economic Coersion Communism Wanted the country to change its economy to suit USA companies.
1981 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Stop opposition to pro-USA government.
1981 Libya Provocation Terrorism To destabilise an anti-West government.
1981 Indo-China Economic Coersion Communism To stop the independent development of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.
1982 Lebanon Troops Humanitarian To help Israel remove Palestinians.
1982 Guatemala Military Aid None To suppress opposition to pro-USA government.
1982 South Africa Financial Aid Terrorism To help South Africa destabilise the region.
1982 Afghanistan Military Aid Communism To replace USSR backed government by the USA backed government.
1982 Iraq Military Aid Islamic Iran To support Iraq's war against the anti-USA government of Iran.
1983 Lebanon Troops;
Bombing Peace Keeping To ensure pro-USA factions won the civil war.
1983 Nicaragua Blockade;
Arming Rebels Communism To replace government with pro-USA regime.
1983 Zimbabwe Economic Coersion None Government had too independent foreign policy.
1984 Mozambique Economic Coersion Communism To stop support for democracy in South Africa.
1985 Lebanon Car Bomb Assassination To remove anti-Israel and anti-USA dissidents.
1985 New Zealand Economic Coersion None Country backed nuclear free Pacific.
1985 Chad Military Aid;
Financial Aid None Support for non-elected pro-USA regime.
1985 Honduras Military Aid;
Training Communism To destabilise elected government of Nicaragua.
1986 Nicaragua Military Aid Communism To destabilise elected government.
1986 Libya Bombing Terrorism To destabilise the country.
1987 Iran Provocation Terrorism To destabilise the country.
1988 Iran Provocation Terrorism To destabilise the country.
1988 Iraq Military Aid Islamic Iran Support for Iraq in its war against Iran.
1988 Colombia Military Aid Drugs Support for pro-USA government.
1988 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Support for pro-USA government.
1988 Turkey Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1989 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Support for pro-USA government.
1989 Panama Invasion;
Diplomatic Violation Drugs To ensure control over the Panama Canal.
1989 Cambodia Military Aid None To destabilise Vietnamese backed government and to please China.
1989 Libya Provocation Terrorism To destabilise the country because it is anti-USA and pro-Palestinian.
1990 Nicaragua Election Finance Communism To ensure that a pro-USA government was elected.
1990 El Salvador Military Training Communism Support of the pro-USA government.
1990 Guatemala Military Aid Communism Support for the pro-USA government.
1990 Bulgaria Election Finance Communism Did not want a socialist government in power.
1990 Germany Document Theft None Unknown.
1991 Iraq Invasion;
UN Violation;
Sanctions Free Kuwait To ensure that Iraq became less powerful.
1991 Philippines Disinformation None Military bases.
1992 Somalia Invasion Humanitarian To ensure that a pro-West government took control.
1992 Colombia Military Aid Drugs To remove anti-USA elements.
1992 Albania Election Finance Communism Did not want a socialist government in power.
1992 Angola Military Aid Communism Wanted access to oil and diamonds.
1993 Iraq Bombing UN Violations To ensure that Iraq does not flood the oil market, lowering the price.
1993 Cuba Trade Embargo Communism Country using its resources for its own people.
1994 Haiti Troops;
Document Theft Democracy To ensure that a pro-west government is elected.
1994 Jordan Financial Aid Humanitarian To obtain agreement with Israel's view that Palestinian refugees do not have a right of return.
1994 Colombia Military Aid Drug Trafficking To suppress opposition to pro-USA government.
1995 Turkey Military Aid None To keep a pro-USA government happy while it attacks Kurds.
1995 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To ensure that Iraq does not flood the oil market, lowering the price.
1995 Mexico Military Aid Drug Trafficking To crush opposition to USA business interests.
1995 Iran Sanctions Terrorism Country using its resources for its own people.
1996 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To keep the country weak and to destabilise the government.
1996 Mongolia Election Finance Communism To help elect a pro-USA government that would allow electronic monitoring of China.
1997 Rwanda Military Aid None Support for pro-West government.
1997 Iraq Sanctions UN Violations To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
1998 Afghanistan Bombing Terrorism To destroy terror camps built by the USA to fight the USSR and now suspected of being used against the USA.
1998 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
1998 Sudan Bombing Terrorism Unknown.
1998 Turkey Military Aid None Support for pro-USA NATO country.
1998 Guatemala Military Aid None Suppression of opposition to pro-USA government.
1998 South Korea Food Aid Humanitarian To make the country dependent on USA produced food.
1999 Yugoslavia Bombing Humanitarian European business interests.
1999 Iraq Bombing UN Violations To destabilise independent Arab regime.
1999 Guatemala Military Aid None Suppression of opposition to pro-USA government.
2000 Israel Military Aid;
Economic Aid;
Political Support Terrorism Support for a strongly pro-West country in the Middle East.
2000 Kyrgyzstan Financial Aid Humanitarian To gain influence in oil rich Central Asia.
2001 Colombia Military Aid Drug Trafficking To protect USA oil companies from dissidents.
2001 China Provocation Communism To obtain secrets and intimidate independent country.
2001 Israel Military Aid;
Economic Aid;
Political Support Terrorism Support for a strongly pro-West country in the Middle East.
2001 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
2001 Afghanistan Bombing;
Invasion Terrorism To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
2002 Afghanistan Bombing;
Invasion Terrorism To gain influence and control over oil rich Central Asia.
2002 Angola Intelligence Terrorism To remove their no longer needed former client.
2003 Iraq Invasion Banned
Weapons To gain control of oil rich country and impose a government friendly to the USA.
2007 Somalia Bombing;
Support of Invasion Terrorism To install a pro-USA government.

USA: Nuclear, Biological
and Chemical

www.krysstal.com...

Introduction
The USA has the largest military expenditure of any nation. It has an extensive nuclear armoury, some of it based in other countries. In addition, there is a large chemical and biological program. Although not the only country with nuclear weapons, the USA is the only country to have used these weapons. The USA has tested its weapons on other peoples' territory.
Less well remembered is the fact that the USA has used chemical and biological weapons.

It frequently votes against United Nations resolutions that will monitor and curb such weapons. The USA often insists on countries having United Nations inspections for weapons programs while denying access for its own extensive chemical, nuclear and biological armoury. The USA will use the international legal system when it suits but ignore its judgements if they go against the USA. This behaviour is reported around the world leading to much anger and resentment at the USA. Little of this gets reported to the USA public however.

Some weapons regularly used by the USA are barely legal but of dubious morality (e.g. napalm, cluster bombs, depleted Uranium).

Much of the world feels like there is one law for the USA and its friends, another law for everyone else.


Year Country Details
1946 Japan Obtained results of wartime biological experiments from Japan after promising immunity from prosecution.
1950 Bahamas Spraying of toxic bacteria for testing.
1951 Marshall Islands Testing of Hydrogen Bomb.
1952 Korea Biological (plague, anthrax and encephalitis) and chemical (napalm) warfare.
1953 Canada Chemical tests (zinc cadmium sulphide) in city.
1954 Marshall Islands Testing of Hydrogen Bomb.
1958 Turkey
Greece Nuclear weapons installed in a country bordering the USSR.
1962 Vietnam Use of Agent Orange, a defoliant which contains dioxin which is carcinogenic (cancer producing).
1962 Cuba Use of chemical contaminants to sabotage the country's sugar and turkey exports.
1965 Vietnam Use of agent orange (cancer producing defoliant) and flesh burning napalm.
1968 Vietnam Use of flesh burning napalm.
1968 Marshall Islands Human aftermath of nuclear testing.
1969 Korea Agent Orange (carcinogenic defoliant) used extensively; Chemical training given to other countries.
1970 Vietnam Agent Orange used extensively; CS Gas sprayed, killing thousands; cyanide, arsenic, napalm and naphthalene used.
1970 Laos Sarin nerve gas used against villages - also affects USA soldiers.
1971 Cuba Pigs infected with African Swine Fever.
1975 Vietnam Human aftermath of Agent Orange used.
1980 Cuba Attempt to infect Cuba with bacteria.
1988 Iraq Export of biological and chemical agents to a regime that gasses civilians.
1989 Panama Village sprayed with gas during invasion.
1991 Iraq Deliberate bombing of nuclear facilities; use of weapons tipped with depleted Uranium, a hard but radioactive metal; civilians napalmed; use of sarin nerve gas.
1994 USA USA soldiers exposed to nuclear, biological and chemical agents around the world.
1996 Cuba Anti-crop insect sprayed over Cuba.
1997 USA Refusal of USA to sign a treaty banning chemical weapons (signed by over 100 countries).
1998 South Africa Encouragment of South Africa's apartheid regime to develop chemical and biological weapons.
1999 USA Refusal of USA to sign a treaty banning nuclear tests.
1999 Panama USA military tests chemicals like Agent Orange, mustard gas, VX, sarin and cyanide in Panama.
2001 Iraq Human aftermath of 96,000 depleted Uranium shells dropped on Iraq since 1991.
2001 USA Unilateral USA withdrawal from missile and biological treaties.
2003 Iraq Effects of depleted Uranium used in Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War. Declaration that it will be used again in the 2003 invasion.
2003 Iraq Use of depleted Uranium.
2003 Iraq Use of napalm near Baghdad.
2003 USA and others Storage of nuclear weapons in the USA and other countries.
2003 Colombia Toxic spraying.
2004 Iraq Use of napalm in Fallujah.
2005 Vietnam Legal case about the use of Agent Orange in Vietnam.

Sicne you are a member of what is probably human history most's genocidal and imperialistic terrorist / narco-terrorist organisation, I conisder it to be rather ridiculous and petty of you to object to a dialectical and genocidal response to such genocidal terrorism and imperialism.

Death and Hell shall be your only reward. Your enemies and victims on earth shall be your eternal enemies. What goes around comes around.

Lux
Fire, Plague and Poisoned Waters.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

I simply seek the salvation of humankind from the diseases of religion, tyranny and Capitalism.

I understand your reluctance to go into detail, but I wish you could start a topic on this subject,

I have someone close to me that was into Crowley and necromancy, he said there are things unimaginable, although he no longer practices.

I wont derail you topic with more questions, can you start another?

Crowley's method was a mixture of sex magick, ritual magick, shamanic and narcotic useage and at times blood sacrifice. A key element to this I have found to be the use of shamanic psychoactives, however I have already been warned that the discussion of such a subject is off limits on ATS; but yes unimaginable experiences have been the consequence of my lifelong journey of expermentation. www.erowid.org... probably contains the Internet's best resource for trip reports on various shamanic substances.

With regards to blood sacrifice, since I am an ideological Communist and propagandist, I have never found it necessary to personally do this, as I anyway am collectiviely responsible for almost endless human sacrifice in past, present and future, since I seek to incite future world revolution; this has nothing to do with an actual ritual sacrifice of any being by myself however; ultimately it is the magickian who is the sacrifice and it requires something of a martyr complex.

Do you believe there are angels of light and angels of darkness?

On Metaphsyics. What I believe.

Lucifer



This might get me into a great deal of trouble since I can only speak in terms of "beliefs" based on numerous subjective (and therefore unreliable) shamanic experiences, and to do so I have to temporarily set aside the higher authority of human reason.

Essentially I would have to classify myself as a Deist and Neopagan and part of the rather eclectic (derived from various sources) New Age movement. However before I explain "What I believe" I must point out that I have no personal religion to "promote;" my metaphysical "beliefs" are unlikely to save anyone from religious hypnosis and indoctrination (in fact there may be a danger of them reinforcing certain religious mind viruses), nor can they liberate the world from Capitalism; I would much rather see a world of humanists, philosophical atheists, socialists, Communists, Anarchists and the militant enemies of religion prevail; one Richard Dawkins, or a Christopher Hitchens or a Trotsky or a Kroptkin or a Nietzsche are worth countless myriads religious fanatics in my judgement, and they are much more progressive models for the future ubermenschen (superior men - and women).

With regards to angels, gods, godesses, demons, devils, daemons, ghosts, etc., these are all just terms I consider to refer to ancestral spirits or "intelligences in other dimensions." Necromancy and ritual magick make absolutely no sense otherwise. So yes of course I believe that some of the gods and goddesses are malevolent and that others are benevolent. I believe that there is some kind of cosmic war going on and that the world's religions are the breeding ground of future demons.

And the dark angels disguise themselves as angels of light and could this possibly be why the whole world has been deceived?

Well consider the priesthood / clergy on earth? I consider them to be a curse on human kind and a barrier to the New Heaven and Earth; they are not at all "angelic" they are generally parasitical subhuman vermin as far as I am concerned, who practice mass hypnosis and indoctrination in the name of human-nature-hating deities; I believe that when these people die, they continue to be demonic souls, just as they have been on earth.

Where do these gods and spirits
come from?

Well since I do not believe in reincarnation, and in common with most of humankind, I believe in the ancestral realms, I believe them simply to be persons who were born in our universe and passed over to the spiritual world at the point of death; they are simply our ancestors; however since there are billions of galaxies in our universe and it is billions of years old, it is my impression that our ancestors outnumber us millions to one. Of course I cannot prove any of this; I simply base it on my own personal subjective shamanic experiences, although I know these kind of experiences can be unreliable and are also reported by religious schizophrenics.

With regards to where the universe came from or where the Creator or Creators came from and who created the Creator's great, great (ad infinitum) granmother, these are mysteries which nobody is able to provide an answer for which will conform to human reason. However I am quite certain that the Christian deity is not the Creator; it is just some kind of genocidal, demonic human-hating war god or ratehr "gods;" if the Christian deities "were" the Creator or Creators, then the Creator or Creators would have to be diabolically evil and the enemies of their Creation. There is of course natural evil such as earthquakes and natural disasters, and our planet has been hit by frequent global cataclysms, but we just have to accept that; "moral human evil" is quite another matter entirely; that needs to be resolved and religion and Capitalism are part of the problem, not the solution.

A being like that which is conceived by the theists who could read the thoughts of billions of persons simultaneously would be more like a giant computer program than a personal being, and this is a conclusion of the Holographic Universe theory, which is a theory of physics, not a conspiracy theory; it suggests that consciousness is simply programmed to perceive the giant virtual relaity simulator that is the universe. We already know that matter is not matter as the pre-quantum materialists throught; matter responds to consciousness. Of course if the Holographic Universe theory and we are living in a giant virtual reality simulator, this defines the Creator or Creators as primarily "Grand Programmers" rather than merely architects of physicists, and it still leads to the ultimate question of who programmed the progammers' consciousnesses and ditto with regards to their great, great (ad infinitum) grandmothers, so it still leads to an irresolvable mystery.

I have never met "God" and I don't believe anyone every has, though I do believe that some religious schizophrenics genuinely are under the delusion that they have; I don't believe in a transcendent (up above) deity as the theists do; there only seems to be Mother Nature and She includes all my billions of enslaved brothers and sisters; they are the only gods and goddesses I believe in; though of course I do believe that each person has guardian angels or "familiars" who can be malevolent or benevolent, depending upon what the person attracts to themselves; this belief is common to most cultures including the ancient Egyptians; this is, I "think " what people intuit as the gods or even "God." I also believe in some kind of universal singularlity; so I suppose that I have a syncretic mixture of personal metaphysical beliefs which are no use to anyone really; I have no religion to sell or to proselytize.

I must stress again that I am speaking here only of personal beliefs which cannot be proven or disproven and which will be meaningless to a materialist or rationalist; such personal beliefs are not relevant to world salvation which is the "dehypnosis" and "de-indoctrination" from the various forms of primtive religions of the old aeons. People of course will always have personal spiritual beliefs; this is quite another matter to organised religion which promotes "slave morality" and the "sins of restriction" which produces miserable human beings who live in fear and loathing of their own nature and of much that is natural, especially in the erotic sense.

Lucifer

___________________

Originally posted by pepsi78

I further beleive that when such believers on earth pass over to the spiritual world, that they become the possession of such malevolent ancestral spirits (i.e., the gods).

Sounds like a new religion to me

I have no new religion to promote. Kabbalistic philosophy and metaphsyics are ancient, and I belong to to no organised religion. Unfortunately Kabbalistic writings are full of religious sophistry, ramblings and confusion; I merely seek to simlplify and unconfuse with my OP essay for those who are interested in the subject, and since this is the "Secret Societies" forum I have merely sought to explain the essential philosophy and metaphysics which underpins all Kabbalistic and esoteric societies; though clearly some societies such as the Freemasons promote a heretical and confusing form of pseudo-Kabbalism, though I am quite certain that those at the top of their hierarchy and the Jewish Freemasons in particular are less confused.

How do you know all this, who told you this or where did you read it and how do we know it's like you say ?

This is essentially an epistemological question. Ultimately in matters of metaphysics there is no "certain" or "objective knowledge." "All" metaphysical statements are speculative. In the Kabbalistic system, much of it is simply based on an observation of nature, and the assumption that we are created in the Divine image; the 33 aspects of the Tree of Life and indeed all the 78 archetypes of the Book of Thoth are simply psychological archetypes and common experiences which we have in life. It really only makes sense to a person who uses the sytem; similarly with the I-Ching. Such things cannot be truly "known" in the same way that a material object can be known, for they are not "things" at all; they are not objects.

Another interesting factor is that you think there is a spirit world but do not trust in god/creator.
So who made the spirit world ?

I suppose like almost all Deists and many Kabbalists and Neopagans I believe in the immanent (within) Mother Nature or Mother Goddess; I don't believe in a transcendent Ceator (i.e., a being separate to Her Creation); I don't believe that I can or need to "communicate" with God Herself, because I believe that I "am" an aspect of Her nature; I am a god, just as my billions of enslaved brothers and sisters are gods and goddesses; it is only through them that I can communicate with God or even love God, and the ramblings of transcendentalists (up-above-ists) and human hating religious fanatics are meaningless to me.

As far as the Christian definition of a deity is concerned, I consider devil to be among my greatest eternal enemies and among the greatest enemies of humankind; he is simply a demon or a collection of demons as far as my judgement is concerned; it is a useless god of older aeons which has caused untold suffering, tyranny, human slavery, wars, genocides and Inquisitions. It is the persecution of the followers of the Christian demon and their ultimate eradication from the earth which is part of my sacred will and a holy mission.

My will be done on earth and in heaven; or there shall be hell to pay.

Lucifer
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution,etc.

__________

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I believe the ancient prophets and seerers actually made contact with something, how does one know without a shadow of a doubt they are not being deceived,

A few times I accessed something to terrifying for my physical capabilities to handle.

Discernment.

Yes discernment and judgement (the discernment of good and evil). I have have numerous totally terrifying and life transforming shamanic experiences where it seemed to be that I had opened the very gets of hell itself. This is the problem of spiritualism; you ask: "how did the ancient prophets and seers" know that they were not being deceived? It seems clear to me that they could not know. This is why I don't trust the metaphyscial ramblings of shamans, prophets, spiritualists and psychics; I even distrust my own experiences, not because they were not totally real to me, I am simply aware of the subjective nature of shamanic experiences; when I was a Sadhu I would have visions of Shiva and when I evoked the demons of hell, that is what appeared to me; just as a Chrstian will have visions of Jesus. However when one applies human reason and intuition and studies the gods of he Vedas and the Bible, it is clear that these are the gods of malevolent slave religions which demand human and blood sacrifice.

I only trust my own Judgement (a subjective discernment of good and evil) not my own or anyone elses shamanic experiences or revelations, much of which are the ramblings of religious schizophrenics.

As far as I am concerned, in terms of moral judgement, I am the judge of the living and the dead and the highest moral authority in the universe, and this is a claim which all Thelemities and Anarchists should be able to make; and I submit to no gods nor masters, it is they whom I subject to Judgement, not their judgements that I submit to.

If, hypothetically we were to go back in time from the 21st century and speak to the ancestors who founded many of the world's religions, I am sure that we would seem like gods to them, and they like relatively primitive, savage and overly superstitious religious fanatics to us. We are the most rational, educated, literate and scientific generation in all of human history and we have access to human history's greatest ever research library; the World Wide Web, and yet our world is still full of religious fanatics who revere the primitive ramblings of the fanatics of the past.

Lucifer

reply to post by Lucifer777


GREAT THREAD you hit the nail on the head with your "pantomime cult's" as i know
2 members of one of the older lodges in YORK one member is near the top of the lodge and
his son has been a member for a few years now, i remember when his son joined.

It's clear the son i know does not know anything of esoteric knowledge or even what he is doing
other than spending money on really expensive dinners and meeting work connections. as for
his father well he abuses his position of work, he is a police chief and drink drives all the time
he cannot be touched. this is not what i call leading an enlightened life!

I like your down to earth reader friendly approach. and i agree with what you have written. it
makes sense to me the more i read the more clearer i see.
I have read a little Crowley and know he chose not to follow gods will and live as the ant does.

i also think there are hidden secrets that others knew too like Michelangelo's view of vitruvian
man with arms and legs wide apart, there was supposed to be a women overlaid to represent
the sexual joining of the too, do you agree?

Seems you now your practice's well.

reply to post by Lucifer777

You have suggested that though in past
posts. You have presumed the guilt of people by suggesting that the only way to rid that ideology is through genocide.

Capitalism is nothing more than a free market, free from government intrusion. Nothing wrong with freedom of individual and economic freedom.

I have no will to commit any atrocity. Nor has any order from my lips or thus under my watch.  You don't even know what I do.

The Duke of Kent is not my leader. He only has power over Masons in England. What part of this don't you get?

You are very much like the Nazis you try to paint me to be. It's ironic if someone came in here and compared our posts you'd sound like the monster in all of it.

Never knew we were narcotics traffickers.  When did that happen?    Not surprised someone like you doesn't like the US.

Well Henry was a stupid bureaucrat who threw a fit to some General. You should also know I'm pretty isolationist and believe we should draw back all troops to inside our border to secure and protect our nations sovereignty.

I'm not here to discuss the evils of the US through liberal eyes.

reply to post by pepsi78

I further beleive that when such believers on earth pass over to the spiritual world, that they become the possession of such malevolent ancestral spirits (i.e., the gods).


Sounds like a new religion to me. How do you know all this, who told you this or where did you read it and how do we know it's like you say ?

Not me, wouldn't that be hell?

Originally posted by stealthyaroura

GREAT THREAD

you hit the nail on the head with your "pantomime cult's" as i know
2 members of one of the older lodges in YORK one member is near the top of the lodge and
his son has been a member for a few years now, i remember when his son joined.

It's clear the son i know does not know anything of esoteric knowledge or even what he is doing
other than spending money on really expensive dinners and meeting work connections. as for
his father well he abuses his position of work, he is a police chief and drink drives all the time
he cannot be touched. this is not what i call leading an enlightened life!

Yes I am from Scotland originally and that is very much the way the Scottish Freemasons are; it is essentially a Capitalist gang which like all established Capitalist gangs seeks to infiltrate the Capitalist establishment, particularly the judiciary, police, military, banking and the business community. It does have elements of a Messianic religious cult, but then so do all Capitalist gangs to a degree.

As I keep restating, a person who was esoterically or spiritually enclined would probably entwine themselves with the Neopagan movement or organisations like the UK Pagan Federation; which is not a cult, it is just an events organising business and a social club for an eclectic mix of Neopagans, Neo-wiccans, Neo-Druids, philosophical Satanists and various New Agers.

Freemasonry is primarily for men who wish to accumulate Capital and join a gang of organised Capitalists, and who prefer to spend their time in the company of men rather than women (since in the British Neopagan movement the majority are women). British Masonry is not a good place for those who are spiritually or estoerically inclined and the American Masons seem to be even worse and pretty much a "joke" as far as esoteric matters are concerned; see my thread: "On Masonic Charity. The world's largest non religious charity scam. On the Shriners and Jesters" on www.abovetopsecret.com... on what a sad pathetic bunch of silly old men the American Freemasons seem to be.

I like your down to earth reader friendly approach. and i agree with what you have written. it
makes sense to me the more i read the more clearer i see.
I have read a little Crowley and know he chose not to follow gods will and live as the ant does.

Well if there is "no god but man (and woman)," I am God and the will of this God is "my" sacred will, but of course all gods (i.e., all men) and goddesses (i.e., all women) should be able to say that, but the world is not free and most of humanknd are little more than slaves who serve masters.

i also think there are hidden secrets that others knew too like Michelangelo's view of vitruvian
man with arms and legs wide apart, there was supposed to be a women overlaid to represent
the sexual joining of the too, do you agree?

Yes, though it is not a "secret," but of course in the medievial world, the Kabbalistic teachings were considered heretical and blasphemous and it would have been blasphemous to say that the image of a male and female entwined in love and lust is the ultimate image of the divine incarnation; for in those days the image of God was only that of the sexually repressed Jesus and the Virgin Mary, whom nobody had ever seen and knew only through the fabricated texts of the New Testament, as were revealed by the priesthood (since even the Latin Bible was once banned to all but the priests).

The idea of a Holy person was a celibate Catholic priest (those who did not have access to the Vatican's brothels) and a Holy woman was a celibate nun; these are images devoid of natural love and lust between the two halves of Creation, and where sacred union was considered the most sinful and least holy act instead of the most sacred of acts. This is what Christianity has given us; the hatred of love, the hatred of lust, the hatred of human nature; the entire diabolical religion is a vile blasphemy against the gods of nature (i.e., human beings) which has enslaved them in centuries of misery. Christianity should be an insult to the intelligence of any modern, educated, rational European and it it's history of wars, genocides, Inquistions and general bigotry are unforgivable, and those who cling on to this vile faith and seek to indoctrinate others with it are no more forgivable than those who would seek to revive Nazism.

Lux