Lack of feminine characteristics...

Jane Austin


One of the most popular female authors Jane Austen wrote several novels, which remain highly popular today. These include “Pride and Prejudice” “Emma” and “Northanger Abbey”. Jane Austen wrote at a time when female writers were very rare, helping pave the way for future writers.

Jane Austin must have been a guy in drag to be so influential.

Marie Curie


Marie Curie was the first women to receive the Nobel Prize and the first person to win it for 2 separate categories. Her first award was for research into radioactivity (Physics 1903). Her second Nobel prize was for Chemistry in 1911. A few years later she also helped develop the first X ray machines.

Oh my, they is teachin' thems womens now days??

Ya know what would be better than the sexes competing for domination with each other and playing this old blame game..... forgiving for the past, then working together as a team, both sides have advantages and disadvantages, and when they together they complement each other and make an effective and able union.

We do, after all, NEED each other.


Ya know, I have a feeling that spiritually this old stoush goes waaay back to the time of a beautiful garden.

Ok, perhaps philosophically men and women are equal, but biologically and genetically, we're not. Those of you who think you can create your own moral high-ground and make two polar opposite entities equal just because you say they are, well, you are delusional. You might get a thousand people together to agree that apples and oranges are equal, that doesn't make them equal.

Science has proven, through study of nature (which lacks much of the egocentric qualities of man), that males and females have their roles. The only thing that make one role appear more "important" than the other is a perception that man has created! You don't see female apes in the wild storming around demanding equal rights! This is a trait created and fostered my humans!

That being said, I don't think the fact that 50 years ago, women stayed home and raised the kids and took care of the homestead is in any way less important than the man's duty to support the family financially. They are NOT equal tasks in terms of the actual physical activity but they are equally important in terms of maintaining a cohesive family unit. The fact is, neither is more or less important. I know what it's like to maintain the domestic home front; the cleaning, cooking, taking care of the kids, doctors, baby sitters, school, etc. In short, I don't want to do it! It's a lot of work! You don't get 15 minute breaks or an hour lunch. You get to eat when you can fit it in. There is absolutely nothing degrading or wrong with being a traditional "housewife". I have tons of respect for the role. The fact is, I believe women have a much more suitable temperament for that role than men. Most men suck at it. I know I do.

Any man who has a stay at home mom for a wife, better damn well give her credit when he receives compliments on how clean his house is or how nice it is, etc.

Another facet of this issues is the sissification of boys in school. I can't tell you how many 20-something girls I have run into who can't keep boyfriends because, according to them, "they're all wimps". They say one thing remotely derogatory and his feelings are hurt, he doesn't call and won't stand up for himself. I have witnessed this myself in addressing teenage boys. When I owned my business they would run their bikes and skateboards up and down the sidewalk right in front of the store even though there were signs posted everywhere prohibiting this. I would go out and ask them if they saw the sign and they'd get this "deer in the headlights" look as if I had a third eye in the middle of my forehead. No matter how "cool" I tried to be or polite I tried to be, they wouldn't even respond. They wouldn't even make eye contact with me. They have no concept of being held accountable, being corrected or reprimanded or being asked to stand up and be a man. This is due to the popular opinion expressed in this thread that "males and females are equal". The line has been blurred and male adolescents have been feminized. Like it or not, there are clear traits that indicate when a boy has become a man. In addition to a deepening of the voice and getting pubes, there is a time to "grow up" and be a man, not a cowering sissy, like George McFly, "afraid of confrontation".

So, if there is any devaluing of role of a housewife or working father, it wasn't created by nature, it was created by man. It works quite well in nature and has for millions of years.

So be my guest. The floor is yours. You can regale us with tales about what real femininity is, since your gender knows so much more about it than ours.

It really is up to women to decide that. Something that they are comfortable with and something they can be proud of. I don't see the "feminism" movement helping that in any way though. I think it has become an ideological crusade that has made women self-conscience of doing things that seems natural to them.

Yes, nurturing is a womanly trait. And anyone that wants to argue that it isn't a women's job (not solely of course -in regards to children) to argue that is stupid. There are chemicals released in the brain that make women bond with their children. The have chemicals in their brains that men don't have and it makes women more sensitive to things that go way over guys heads.

So yes, deny certain things about yourselves, it's up to you to figure out who you are, but I don't think a crusading political movement is helping any of you figure out who you are.

Oh, by the way, articles in women's magazines that say they are written by guys.... (NEWSFLASH) written by women. Interviews that are supposedly with guys..... (NEWSFLASH) Vetted by women. Women excerpt complete influence over other women for profit.

The list goes on and on. There is an industry exploiting women today and it isn't prostitution. It was founded on the women's lib movement and none of you recognize this because you are brain washed or brain-dead.

I posted a reference to a women in the 1800's that won a nobel prize, are you telling me that women were so oppressed back then? She didn't need some political, man hating lunatic running a movement for her to win, she didn't need equality rights and right to pay taxes, she didn't need any of superficial arbitrary BS that women think they got out of a designed movement run by government and opportunists. She just won the nobel cause she was smart, a smart woman.

For once, I really do want a strong woman to stand up and say, yeah I am a girl, this is what I am. Without having to bash any men in the process. Because that, my friend, will be the definition of a woman, and she wont give a flying bird what anyone has to say about it.

Originally posted by polarwarrior
Ya know what would be better than the sexes competing for domination with each other and playing this old blame game..... forgiving for the past, then working together as a team, both sides have advantages and disadvantages, and when they together they complement each other and make an effective and able union.

We do, after all, NEED each other.


Ya know, I have a feeling that spiritually this old stoush goes waaay back to the time of a beautiful garden.

There is actually science behind that too, that we need eachother. Chemically. Especially for women. I don't mean to be vulgar, but male ejaculate absorbed in the walls of the vaginal canal reduces a woman's likelihood of suicide and increase mental clarity among other things.

I do not have any scientific data to support a chemical need by men for women, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were so. I have practiced abstinence twice in my life, and after about a year's time, I have noticed changes in thought patterns in behavior.

Originally posted by StigShen

Originally posted by polarwarrior
Ya know what would be better than the sexes competing for domination with each other and playing this old blame game..... forgiving for the past, then working together as a team, both sides have advantages and disadvantages, and when they together they complement each other and make an effective and able union.

We do, after all, NEED each other.


Ya know, I have a feeling that spiritually this old stoush goes waaay back to the time of a beautiful garden.

There is actually science behind that too, that we need eachother. Chemically. Especially for women. I don't mean to be vulgar, but male ejaculate absorbed in the walls of the vaginal canal reduces a woman's likelihood of suicide and increase mental clarity among other things.

I do not have any scientific data to support a chemical need by men for women, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were so. I have practiced abstinence twice in my life, and after about a year's time, I have noticed changes in thought patterns in behavior.

I think it goes both ways because I usually want to kill myself if I don't get laid once a week. It has to do with endorphins for guys, I imagine.

reply to post by boncho


Endorphins can be stimulated through masturbation and intense fantasy. I can manage as long as I have access to pornography. But after a year or so, one of the symptoms which I mentioned are that I notice an increased level of deviancy is my thought patterns and taste in pornographic material. There are other symptoms too of course, not even directly related to sex, but which are rooted in the lack of intimacy with a female I believe.

This is not to sound bigoted either, but I think there is case to be made here that exclusive homosexuality can also be harmful. That is, not that homosexual acts are necessarily unnatural, but that a lack of heterosexual contact is, and may induce homosexual deviation in some instances as well.

Originally posted by Xiamara
I support the femminist movement. Society is controlled by men and its should be said that women should be able to act however the choose as should men. More feminine men and androgynous gender roles i think is important to society

There are no genes determining purely feminine or male characteristics. Men use to wear pink and purple as purple was a royal colour, now if a man wears purple he's labeled gay. Times change as do social norms. its natural, its a new method of thinking. There is nothing wrong with men being more feminine or women being more masculine or holding the same values. We are all the same and the sooner we learn this the sooner we can all get along.

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I understand what you mean however speaking as a strong silent
type male and from experience, I do not like getting into a testosterone
contest with a women. My ex wife was feminine when we first got married
however at the end of 19 years or marriage, she was trying to be the man
of the house! It may have been due to years of hormone therapy which made
our marriage into a living nightmare at times or it may have been that I let her
go and do as she pleased (even though she was always trying to set limits
to what I could and could not do) and or a combination of both. NEVER AGAIN
will I get into a domineering relationship, my future girlfriend / wife will be
Intelligent, strong willed, free-spirited and above all 100% FEMININE!
(And hopefully stays that way or she will become my second ex-wife).

reply to post by StigShen


We are genetically programmed to form relationships with the opposite sex so your idea does have a possible basis. Homosexuals often have many female friends so it can explain where they receive their contact from. Also, many men who do not have constant dating habits or long term romantic relationships often have a very close connection with their Mother.

A study done on this idea would be interesting.

In the end no matter how annoying the opposite sex is to the other, it is quite clear that they need each other.

I agree 100%!

For instance, yesterday I went to McDonalds, and all the girls had this manly feel to them. From the way they dressed (baggy trousers, hoodie sweatshirts, etc...), to the way they behaved (aggressive talk, aggressive attitude, etc...).
And I don't even want to mention the boys. They all look like clones and walk the same way.
As I was eating my breakfast I once again acknowledged the s***hole this place is becoming. You have to wonder how these girls and boys are going to raise their children if they ever have one.

Originally posted by Xiamara
I support the femminist movement. Society is controlled by men and its should be said that women should be able to act however the choose as should men. More feminine men and androgynous gender roles i think is important to society

There are no genes determining purely feminine or male characteristics. Men use to wear pink and purple as purple was a royal colour, now if a man wears purple he's labeled gay. Times change as do social norms. its natural, its a new method of thinking. There is nothing wrong with men being more feminine or women being more masculine or holding the same values. We are all the same and the sooner we learn this the sooner we can all get along.

edit on 7-3-2011 by Xiamara because: Went on ATS before my morning coffee

You do realize the gender war isn't over yet and is only going to accelerate because men are starting to fight back against the female supremacist agenda?

There are no genes determining purely feminine or male characteristics. Men use to wear pink and purple as purple was a royal colour, now if a man wears purple he's labeled gay.

1, Yes there are genes that determine female and male characteristics. That is why I have a penis and women have a vagina.
2. When did the whole pink/purple = gay come out, there is more to it than that.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by Yeah-Alright

 

Its because women in traditional societies are less intelligent and capable than women in societies where they have more equality.

They arent good for anything, and they cant think their way out of a paper bag, or a burqua, and so they have to fawn and pander to men or they would die.

Clearly the OP was just designed to cause heated argument, so to stay on topic, I thought I would toss in my share of rubbish.

Illusions are certainly grander. I m sorry to say your post betrays ignorance as not all non-western females are Muslims and wear burquas and they do wear western outfits as well even in their own country... So, point dismissed.

I tend to think we women messed up the whole notion of equal rights and feminism when we thought we had to be just like men in order to be seen as equal to them. The idea of equality was not such a bad thing, but as women, I think we should have focused more on being acknowledged and appreciated for our equal value to society, rather than mandating that we had to totally reinvent ourselves to be functionally equal to men by adopting masculine mannerisms and behavior. This skewed and misunderstood thinking led us to try to become identical to men, and in the process, we denied and invalidated our own unique and natural feminine traits.

Just think of how different today's typical workplace might be if we had retained all of those awesome feminine traits, like community building, tenderness, grace, etiquette, slow anger, intuition, and class, just to name a few! For an example of what I mean, think of the television show Mad Men with it's 1960's vibe, but picture it with the women being as equally valued as the men. You can bet Joan (voluptuous redhead, played by Christina Hendricks) would be CEO of that entire company instead of head of the secretary pool!

I also bemoan the changes in the way both men and women dress, not only in the workplace but in our leisure hours also. There is no such thing as professional attire anymore. I mean really, ladies; flipflops at the office? The casual thing has gone way too far. Am I the only one left who really enjoys wearing suits, dresses, hosiery, and heels to work? I honestly believe dressing that way with confidence and embracing my femininity has given me a slight edge in getting ahead in my career. Instead of the way the Equal Rights movement went, I think we women should have lobbied instead for the freedom to make our own life choices and be equally valued, whatever those choices might be, without believing we had to alter or abandon our innate femininity.

I think the whole feminist movement can be summed up in this website.

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And by Bill Marher

It's all the fault of Feminists man. The United States and Great Britian were to major areas hit by this plague to MANkind. It has litterally destroye any real use with the American woman. In essence, someone left the milk out so it's no good anymore. Don't try to make anything out of it, don't try to change it into someting better, don't partake of it in any way or it will poison your life. I know I was once married to one. Her mother was one too. It was hell to say the leaast. I was so glad to get out of that relationship....I hit the ground running. Yeah, I lost everything in court because feminism is sponsored by the American government to destroy men so we will have no fight left in us when they try to take our country from us. It was also designed to split up the integrity of the American family, a split family has no values, thus the government can take your children and institute them. The fathers will be broken, chased for child support or alimony or whatever other farce they can find to get paid for doing nothing, while women hide behind their children and use them as battering rams to break into a man's wallet to steal from him .....but the women are always left alone. It's quite simply to destroy America........look around IT WORKED! Women in the rest of the world, you are great, you are still a woman, equality is great as long as it's equal, but American women I wouldn't touch with someone elses 10 foot pole. Spoiled and manly is putting it lightly these days. It's a warning men, I've been there and take it for what it's worth, get yourself a foreigner from some other country who hasnt been corrupted yet. An obvious foreigner, (I know everyone from America is from somewhere else, blah blah) I am talking about someone who doesnt have family roots in America,.....the milk that hasn't been left out too long. Canada, Japan, ....hell even French women are more womanly these days than American women.

reply to post by dalloway


Spot on. Fantastic post. The value of true feminism is lost on the feminist agenda. There can be equality without sameness. The feminist agenda has stripped women of their inherent strengths and propped them up with the illusion now that they are the same as men. Women will never be men. And why the hell should they want to be?

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Just think of how different today's typical workplace might be if we had retained all of those awesome feminine traits, like community building, tenderness, grace, etiquette, slow anger, intuition, and class, just to name a few!

What, this isn't classy?



I agree with everything you are saying.

Originally posted by pirhanna
I got one thing to say on this issue.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
So if women want to be fully equal, they need to act like it. It comes with responsibility not just an attitude.

Saying that, I fully support equality.

Are you serious? If women can ever make up their mind, that will be the day Most of the rights in the West were formed to win the Votes. Its nothing more than Vote Bank politics. How many US Presidents were Women? How many women are paid equally as men?


This topic is not about MEN VS WOMEN. It is about WOMEN (Non western) vs WOMEN (Western).