Is there God?

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

Originally posted by SunTzu22
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

Retarded?? Them is fightin words from someone who clearly has lost the ability for rational thought.

Am I wrong about the Bible?? If you hold a faith so high in esteem, why not proclaim it? What is your faith?

I bet its retarded

Lost my ability for rational thought? Wow, you see how you are condesending, and regard yourself better, just because you have no faith? I am truelly in awe of your blatant insults. I am also love how all the bible haters, love to quote the old testament, rules and regulations, as if THAT was the only thing the bible taugh.

Look man, my faith is my faith, and if that is being MORONIC in your eyes, so be it.

And why the need to know my faith, or my religion? If i said islam, you would bash it, if i said christian, you would bash it, i am sure even if i said scientologist, you would bash it. Because in your eyes, all faith is moronic and wrong. So what does it matter?

The mere fact that i have faith in something, it seems, is enough for you to hate on me and others that do have faith.

VvV

Scientific evidence suggests that the sun will rise in the East tommorrow morning. I have faith that this will happen.

Some of the ideas of the various established religions are brilliant. How can you know what I will bash? Perhaps you are the one guilty of condensending.

But yea your right, if you choose to defend "faith" and not its more mature older sisters science and evidence, then I will try to put the correct perspective on that choice.

A ridiculous perspective...

reply to post by LargeFries


Its good that you understand that established religion was created with the express purpose of providing a wedge to drive between various groups of humans.

It is no different that the system that keeps you from doing what you want at work, because your boss will get mad.

But the "boss" of the Christians would also smite your gene pool. (cannanites, Egypt, Soddom, Gohmorah, half of Moses faithfull)

And, he lives in a box. Albiet a gold box.

Not my god. Hopefully not yours either.

reply to post by SunTzu22


Can scientific evidence explain what will happen when you and i die, or where we go? Can it explain what happens to our conciousness?

For many many things out there, science have a theory, and these theories cannot be explained by science based on fact. What is left, is to have a little faith in some of these theories.

Not everything out there is written in BLACK AND WHITE. Not everything is fact. And not everything can be explained by science.

VvV

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Yes. Science really can explain WHAT happens when you die, what happens to your "soul".

It cannot explain WHY at this time. However, that time is running out. 100 years ago, we didn't know that there was more than one galaxy in the universe.

That has changed. If you paid attention to my post, you would see that I give the foundation one needs to pursue religion through the scientific method.

Remember that the most horrendous crimes ever commited, were commited in the name of one faith or another. Remember that!!

I hope you realize that I can explain all of your thoughts and emotions through neuro-science. Why should religion be exempt from equal treatment???

reply to post by SunTzu22


SunTzu, this video has made many believers out of skeptics. I encourage you to take the time to view it.

Google Video Link

Yes. Science really can explain WHAT happens when you die, what happens to your "soul".

reply to post by SunTzu22



I totally disagree. Science cannot even explain WHAT a soul is, how can it explain what happens to your soul after you die??? This is a mere theory, and not fact. Fringe-science if you will.

And now the topic of how most religions have killed millions of people. I was wondering when this would be brought up. Yes, it was people killing each other because of religion, there i agree.But, IT WAS NOT GOD KILLING THESE PEOPLE, IT WAS PEOPLE KILLING PEOPLE. People took it upon themselves to go to war, to kill each other.

God cannot be blamed for this. This is like blaming the gun for killing someone, it is not the gun, but the person firing the gun.

You say this

I can explain all of your thoughts and emotions through neuro-science

This i would like to see you do.

VVV

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Again, you are wrong. It was the "word of god" that commands people to do those disgusting acts. All the various holy books condone this kind of violence. Unless god was created in abstract by man himself, "he" most certainly is responsible.

Remember Jesus pushed his brother off a roof, just to become more popular with his cronies.

And yes, if I give you a frontal lobodomy you will experience significant loss in your cognitive abilities. This is science explaining how your thoughts work. Neurons in your pre-frontal cortex firing create the perception of "self". This is in a text book. This is accepted. This can be tested. Your welcome.

I can see that your parents or other trusted authority, has cultivated great fear in you concerning ideas that are not "by the book"

Im going to give you a star just for trying to comprehend life without the yoke of the "lord". A yoke that is exaggerated in its description as easy to bear.

reply to post by BeenieWeenie


With all due respect, those skeptics need to be evaluated for mental disorders. An IQ test would greatly help them realize the amount of catching up there is to do with an increasingly secular society.

But thanks for your effort. You should check out the link below to more fully understand what I am speaking of.

www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk

God is very real, my friend, and he/she is a SOB......F my life.

Remember Jesus pushed his brother off a roof, just to become more popular with his cronies.

reply to post by SunTzu22


Can you please link me to where this happenned in the bible?

For i do not recall such an event taking place?

vVv

there has to be a god really everything made has come from thought a single thought even the beging of time begins with a thought

Originally posted by SunTzu22
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

Yes. Science really can explain WHAT happens when you die, what happens to your "soul".

It cannot explain WHY at this time. However, that time is running out. 100 years ago, we didn't know that there was more than one galaxy in the universe.

First you say science can explain where the soul goes when you die then you turn around and say science cant? can you make up your mind in this regard?

That has changed. If you paid attention to my post, you would see that I give the foundation one needs to pursue religion through the scientific method.

Remember that the most horrendous crimes ever commited, were commited in the name of one faith or another. Remember that!!

No religion wasn't entirely at fault for the wars, it was the people who were using religion as their reason for war. If it wasn't for zealotry there wouldn't of been wars in the first place. your posts on this thread have been contradicting. What is your motive? what makes you think your better than anyone else? what makes your perception more important than anyone else?

I hope you realize that I can explain all of your thoughts and emotions through neuro-science. Why should religion be exempt from equal treatment???

Nuero-science cannot explain what happens to you, Yet you claim you can tell what someone else feels/experience when everyone is different. What people feel is completely different from case to case. Can you explain further into this? Because I have a hard time believing what you say.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep



Jesus was provoked and said unto him, "Thou shalt not finish thy course." And immediately he fell down and died.

-- Infancy Gospel of Thomas 4:1

Recall harder. You know I am right

reply to post by amazing


God is there if you believe in him/her.
If you don't then he/she isn't.
Simple really.
In the meantime, just get on with living life to the max and don't worry, be happy!

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

Yes. Science really can explain WHAT happens when you die, what happens to your "soul".

reply to post by SunTzu22

 

I totally disagree. Science cannot even explain WHAT a soul is, how can it explain what happens to your soul after you die??? This is a mere theory, and not fact. Fringe-science if you will.

And now the topic of how most religions have killed millions of people. I was wondering when this would be brought up. Yes, it was people killing each other because of religion, there i agree.But, IT WAS NOT GOD KILLING THESE PEOPLE, IT WAS PEOPLE KILLING PEOPLE. People took it upon themselves to go to war, to kill each other.

God cannot be blamed for this. This is like blaming the gun for killing someone, it is not the gun, but the person firing the gun.

You say this

I can explain all of your thoughts and emotions through neuro-science

This i would like to see you do.

VVV

What makes you think that there is such a thing as a soul?
Any proof of its existence, but please don't offer your beliefs, lets get some scientific proof that we can all understand.

Originally posted by SunTzu22
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

Jesus was provoked and said unto him, "Thou shalt not finish thy course." And immediately he fell down and died.

-- Infancy Gospel of Thomas 4:1

Recall harder. You know I am right

ah if your going to give retarded bible quates at least get it right ......

the so called jesus didnt fall over dead as you so put it , he was cruisfied as were a lot of other people at the time ( for those bible believing jesus freaks out there i for one dont believe in jesus ,just trying to to get some quates corrected )

reply to post by ugie1028


Neuro science and the science pertaining to religion are very different my friend, even though they are both science.

We know for a fact the effects of neuro-cellular and neuro chemical reactions. This is why a medication isn't reformulated for every new patient needing depression pills.

If everyone was completely different, wouldn't there need to be a different field of medicine for every human alive??

Thats not the case. If you have a hard time believing what I say, try harder. Then read the links I have been dropping, as knowledge is good.

Firstly god needs to be defined correctly.
God is the name used to explain consciousness in the christian bible (christ consciousness). There is also Buddha consciousness. It is a word used to describe life, creation.
Creation is happening presently. Creation is not something that happened millions of years ago, it is being created every instant. But what is it?
The fact that life is experienced is a mystery. Try to stop experiencing, it can't be done.
God is doing it all, it is being done.
Faith is knowing this. Knowing this removes the burden of the mind made self that thinks it has to make life work.

Belief is not the same as faith. Belief means a story that has not, been seen to be true. All stories are not true, including scientific theories, they are theories.

Originally posted by SunTzu22
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

Jesus was provoked and said unto him, "Thou shalt not finish thy course." And immediately he fell down and died.

-- Infancy Gospel of Thomas 4:1

Recall harder. You know I am right

The Gospel of Thomas, is not even IN the bible mate. But besides that, nowhere does Jesus push his brother off a roof. You are deliberately twisting facts to try and make a non-existent point.

Even in the passage you quoted, this does not happen.

Why twist the words? What are you trying to gain? Or proof?

VvV

reply to post by alysha.angel


Do you hail from the Dumb Clan??? That quote doesn't talk about Jesus dying, its talking about somebody that brushed him accidentally in the street.

You need to get it right buddy. Go pray to your baby killing messiah and leave debating to debaters.