Fallen Marine's father says anti-gay pickets will draw gunfire

Originally posted by Screwed

Originally posted by GodofWar411
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

there will be some nut job out there that will let emotions get to them and not think of the results of there actions.

It's not the nut job that these people need to worry about.
It is the Man who is calm,cool,and collected.
Who isn't ruled by his emotions but rather has come to the logical conclusion that these
poor people deserve to mourn the loss of their loved one in peace and decides to give them that
freedom by eliminating the problem himself.

Afterwards, he goes to a local coffee shop and has a Denver omlet with a side of hashbrowns and a cup of Joe
and reads the newspaper to find out what's the latest news in the world.

This is the man they need to fear!!!!
AND I'll bet you it will happen eventually.

Thank god for men like that! That is EXACTLY what is going to get them in the end. The ones who can control emotions and have NO fear or feeling of loss.

Originally posted by BobbyTarass
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Damn, you're a libertarian and a master at stubborness, if you don't wan't to read my posts I won't speak any further (same goes if you can't understan them).

I read your posts and understood them perfectly.

You are against the freedom of speech, except your own.
You support "crushing" those whom you disagree with.

And to top it off, you claim to be trying to spark "light" inside of me by asking me to join the side of Darkness?
Last I checked hating people and wishing for death is pretty dark.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by BobbyTarass

 

Wrong. Freedom of speech means that everyone can say whatever they want.

It has little to do with government actually, although speaking out against govt is part of it.

But freedom of speech covers everything. All the way down to protesting a funeral, a brothel, you can go protest against Westboro all day. This is freedom.

You don't actually know anything about freedom. You only support your side, and the other side doesn't get any freedom at all. Hypocritical to the max.

You are wrong. Freedom of speech has some limitations, i.e., the old example of a false cry of fire in a crowded venue. For details on a modern case see www.firstamendmentcenter.org...

reply to post by muzzleflash


Freedom of speech has nothing to do with slandering a private citizen. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a simple minded fool. It is clearly based off "freedom of speech in parliment" from the English bill of rights of 1689. With that logic you cant be peeved being called a simple minded fool or you'd be against freedom you commie!

Originally posted by muzzleflash
There is no "hate speech" crime in America.
Saying you hate someone is your RIGHT protected by LAW.

I never said it was a crime. I said that because one group holds a sign, they are protected by Freedom of Speech, while the other is arrested because he is not demonstrating. It is considered a lead to a "Hate Crime".

Laws prohibiting hate speech outside of obscenity, defamation and incitement to riot are illegal in the United States.
An obscenity (in Latin obspenus, meaning "foul, repulsive, detestable") is any statement or act which strongly offends the prevalent morality of the time, is a profanity, or is otherwise taboo, indecent, abhorrent, or disgusting, or is especially inauspicious. The term is also applied to an object that incorporates such a statement or displays such an act.

Wonder if this little hate group overlooked that one.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks

To answer your first quote - Violence is violence and yes, I did contradict myself ... sorta. The article talks about gunfire which leads me to believe deadly force could take place. I do not condone THAT type of violence. Besides. Don't take such silly suggestions so literal

To answer your second quote - It's not BS ! I go outside right now and yell a bunch of hate about all the Muslims that live around me, Cops come, I get arrested and charged with a hate crime. I see it on the news all the time. Don't tell me you don't.

Hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, social status or political affiliation.

"Hate crime" generally refers to criminal acts that are seen to have been motivated by bias against one or more of the types above, or of their derivatives. Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters (hate mail).

Originally posted by pteridine

You are wrong. Freedom of speech has some limitations, i.e., the old example of a false cry of fire in a crowded venue. For details on a modern case see www.firstamendmentcenter.org...

I have been saying that !

I said 10 times in this thread the only freedom of speech you don't have is to get people killed.

But people are openly talking about shooting Phelps. That's EXACTLY like screaming Fire in a Theater.

Protesting a funeral from the sidewalk 300yards away is not putting anyones lives in danger.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I understand the figurative (and literal) implications of the need to play Devil's advocate here; however, I can't help but wonder...

How do you feel about the notion that these miscreants can "protest" right in the faces of fallen soldier's families attending funerals, while if someone wants to protest a government function they need to be placed out of sight in "free speech zones" at other locations?

reply to post by redmage


some people you just cant reach

reply to post by muzzleflash


See the posts all around mines.

Sometime being the only sardine out of the school doesn't makes you the brightest one, it just make you the only sardine that didn't grasp the concept.

I grasp the concept. And I abhor it.

I will climb any mountain for freedom.

I will accept any negative opinions I garner for it.

I will not be frightened or embarrassed into silence by the majority.

No amount of darkness or hate will deter me.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by BobbyTarass
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Damn, you're a libertarian and a master at stubborness, if you don't wan't to read my posts I won't speak any further (same goes if you can't understan them).

I read your posts and understood them perfectly.

You are against the freedom of speech, except your own.
You support "crushing" those whom you disagree with.

And to top it off, you claim to be trying to spark "light" inside of me by asking me to join the side of Darkness?
Last I checked hating people and wishing for death is pretty dark.

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. People protest higher taxes when they see the government wasting money and yet want more. This is freedom of speech. People protest the building of a new road near their neighborhoods that has the potential to bring in more crime, more accidents and devalue their property. This is freedom of speech. People protest the building of a factory that could have an impact on the environment in a negative way. This is freedom of speech. But to protest a funeral? Listen to this one more time. Protesting a funeral. What for? This is not freedom of speech. This is harrassment and disturbance of the peace. A funeral does not contribute anything negative to the society. Freedom of speech was designed so that the American people could have their voices heard in any case that would be detrimental to their well -being.

If you support Fred Phelps to protest funerals then you shouldn't have any problem with the KKK marching through a predominantly black neighborhood demanding that they move back to Africa, the Native Americans marching through white neighborhoods demanding their land back or NAACP marching everywhere demanding repayment for their suffering when they were in bondage for 300 years.

All of these things would be considered freedom of speech but the bottom line is that are causing disturbances and could be catagorized as harrassment.

I'm sorry but disturbing the peace and harrassment shouldn't be covered and protected under freedom of speech.

This is not a Chit Chat Thread, nor an evaluation of any one Member.

Post On Topic or not at all..

Warnings are next folks

Thank you

Semper

Originally posted by Intelearthling

If you support Fred Phelps to protest funerals then you shouldn't have any problem with the KKK marching through a predominantly black neighborhood demanding that they move back to Africa, the Native Americans marching through white neighborhoods demanding their land back or NAACP marching everywhere demanding repayment for their suffering when they were in bondage for 300 years.

I support the right of the KKK, Black Panthers, Gay people, Religious Nuts, Nazis, Liberals, Conservatives, Communists, Native American groups, NAACP, whoever, to protest on public property.

I support them 100%.

in my opinion they are nothing more than an organization that spews hate and they want violence to prove they're right in some ridiculous way...

If people wanted to get rid of these people why not target them with a protest at their church or even possibly ridicule them at their homes trying to find any reason to make their own lives hell like the way they do to the families of the deceased...

A simple "stop the hate" protest could be beset outside their church and their homes if anything...according to the freedom of speech that they hide under, you should have the same protections to do so

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I grasp the concept. And I abhor it.

I will climb any mountain for freedom.

I will accept any negative opinions I garner for it.

I will not be frightened or embarrassed into silence by the majority.

No amount of darkness or hate will deter me.

Last night fortune cookies

I get the feeling that you know little about "Freedom of Speech" other than "it's my American right" !!!
Like I posted just above, as well as Intelearthling's little lesson, there is a line and WBC has crossed it, every - single - time.

Well I tried something a bit smarter a while ago but you responded with what seemed to be quotes from the Lord of the Ring, so it's a bit hard to stay serious you know.

Well, keep fighting against your windmills, apparently you're the only one who think freedom of speech is made for the likes of WBC and who thinks his opinion is above everyone else (and don't tell me that you listened to every statement made because you're clearly only listening to the sound of your voice if I refer to the whole bunch of messages in this thread that you haven't responded to with an educated opinion, chosing one-liners rather than arguments).

Your whole rethoric is a ad-hominem statement, while I'm being straightforward*SNIP*, you're considering that every 3 lines message you're posting is smarter than the bunch of huge posts all around this thread, you're insulting everyone here by just pointing out that they are against freedom of speech without a tiny bit of evidence, that's a lack of respect.

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protesting at funerals??? wow.. how christian like huh? doesnt it say judge not lest ye be judged in the bible? someone needs to bring a few microphones and a few speakers and the tech they have in cars (that block unwanted noise) to these protests. then they could yell all they want.


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So yeah, back on the thread.

He should just kill them.