Why is there no Main Stream Media reporting the Rossi/Focardi E-Cat

reply to post by boncho


Ok we agree on something! And no matter how much I refute and argue I appreciate your willingness to debate. My mind has been changed many times during debates (well maybe after the debate). My point is though it may seem far out their has been an agenda by these rich people. I can give you miles of info on eugenics and the elite. I believe the U.s. And capitalism was created to try to buck this type of system. Somehow we ended up back here. The pursuit of liberty, the rights under personal liberty, free markets,'justice, and peace are all fading. Without some of the incredible insights of the American constitution it's far to easy to go back to a corporate form of the feudal system. Do you really believe a small business has the same power today as a multinational to get their product manufactured? Look at cap and trade. Who do you think will be on top? Probably the guys doing the most polluting because they can afford to. how about when the government via the dept of energy takes your tax money for research and gives it to the biggest lobbyist (like GE for a real example). How is that fair to a small start up in a "free market"? All this stuff is interconnected. The social media industry is about all that's left for small time innovative to become succesful on a regular basis.

I do believe this "socialism" is by design and is racist by grouping people. When you read the memoirs of the most powerful men at the turn of the century it's in plain sight. It seems more than a coincidence it is happening how they invisioned. I don't think they predicted the power of the Internet and is why people should fight to keep it s freedom of speech. Because the giving up of esential liberty for temporary safety should be denied.

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

I hope you realize there is a big difference in making a few grams of aluminium foil hover in the air compared to making something weighing a few tons to do the same.

The principles will work on any scale.

I went through your links. And to be honest, it gave me a headache. There is so much crap theory associated with this that I don't no where to begin. Not only that, the sites link so many fringe theories together as if they legitimize each other.

And that "crap theory" is...? I suspect you don't like it because you cannot understand it. And once upon a time, a "spherical earth" was a "fringe theory." Just because it's fringe by no means invalidates it just for that reason.

What I see is a an industry developing selling grandiose ideas that are bringing suckers into their speaking gigs and conventions. Books are being sold and people are being duped. If it exists and people know about it then just send out the bloody blueprints so it can be replicated.

I admit that people want to cash in. Free enterprise. But if they are "duping" people, you would think they would be running afoul of the law. Be that as it may, my father worked in EG (electrogravitics) in the 1950's and told me all about what it could do. Research went into black ops and I was told it was secret "for now." I don't think that would have happened if there was nothing to it.

When you have a working model, and you can power your house on it, let me know. I can't compete with dogma.

What dogma would you be speaking of?

reply to post by Movescamp


I can totally agree that there are powerful and rich people that have a controlling stake in the way society evolves. I can also agree to a few more points you mentioned about that. The only thing that bothered me in this thread is the idea that free energy is somehow going to abolish everything we have created. And that there are working models out there.

Also, while I know that things are suppressed and wealthy interests are usually the first tendered, I have to stick by the fact that I don't believe anything absolutely revolutionary can be contained.

I can see the military being able to contain their own advancement in technology, but to say that members of the public have produced something revolutionary and there is a giant cabal working hollywood-style to cover all traces of said tech, that is nuts.

When there is competition there will always be someone coming out on top, and the loser always had 'something better'. How many people thought Russia was scary, advanced and dangerous during the cold war? We learn later that they killed a village with anthrax by accident, have leaking radioactive material all over the place, and also a plethora of quasi scientists claiming 150% molar yields on ridiculous reactions, that are unproven.

The point of everything I'm saying in this thread, to sum up is: Yes, there are some shady operations in the world, but to blindly follow the leaders of these fringe groups is no different than jumping on the MSM bandwagon. Do I believe free energy will abolish money? No.

reply to post by Amaterasu


Do me a favour, cause your rhetoric is nauseating....

And that "crap theory" is...? I suspect you don't like it because you cannot understand it. And once upon a time, a "spherical earth" was a "fringe theory." Just because it's fringe by no means invalidates it just for that reason.

Since you say free energy is real, go build a free energy reactor, make the blueprints into a .PDF file, post a video of it working -powering your house, and then forward me all the information.

I will be glad to look at it and replicate it for myself to be proven wrong.

If you cannot do this, you have no first hand knowledge (which means you don't know if it works), which also means your constant hearsay-rhetoric is pointless. Beyond that there is nothing to say.

reply to post by Amaterasu

And that "crap theory" is...? I suspect you don't like it because you cannot understand it. And once upon a time, a "spherical earth" was a "fringe theory." Just because it's fringe by no means invalidates it just for that reason.

To add: It's become a fringe theory because crazies have made outlandish claims. Not because it isn't a valid area of science.

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Do me a favour, cause your rhetoric is nauseating....

And that "crap theory" is...? I suspect you don't like it because you cannot understand it. And once upon a time, a "spherical earth" was a "fringe theory." Just because it's fringe by no means invalidates it just for that reason.

Since you say free energy is real, go build a free energy reactor, make the blueprints into a .PDF file, post a video of it working -powering your house, and then forward me all the information.

I will be glad to look at it and replicate it for myself to be proven wrong.

If you cannot do this, you have no first hand knowledge (which means you don't know if it works), which also means your constant hearsay-rhetoric is pointless. Beyond that there is nothing to say.

Righty-o. I have first hand knowledge of a father who worked in EG. I do not have an above top secret clearance. I cannot do this for you. If you will not believe, meh. Have a nice life.

reply to post by Amaterasu


I really don't like where you take this. To say that only offers me one question to ask, and that is, did your father take you to see any of these things, show you how they operated or build one for you to observe?

To be honest, I wouldn't really take anybody's word for anything, when it comes down to it, you can't, because if you do, than you leave yourself open to manipulation.

So if it is just what he told to you, than it is hearsay. Which is fine, it may be a good place to start in your search for this stuff, however, it is not the kind of evidence you can spout off to the world like it is fact.

Just saying...

reply to post by coolhanddan

The jury is still out on the proof on this, and it may be quite a while before independent testing occurs.
I would love it to be true. But why is he not getting full independent testing ?

reply to post by boncho


Ok we are almost on the same page. Except you thinking a holywood type cabal doesn't exist. They have throughout history. Why would it be any different now. Do you know how many historical secrets the Vatican holds? Secrets of the elite from the doomsday treaty to the bohemian grove exist. I don't understand why you think it's a stretch? Sociopaths have no conscious, they have been enabled to live bizare fantastical lives and influence the world. They convinced people to build cathedrals, temples, pyramids by social engineering. Why would all of a sudden all those ideologies go away? A bunch of powerful men praying to a giant owl in the middle of the woods is pretty much out of eyes wide shut.

I worked for an antique dealer as a teenager. He bought an old Masonic hall in Ohio. I would say there was some pretty weird stuff in there and am sure they took the weirdest out.

Now I understand these crazy wealthy people are probably just bored and have nothing else to do but join an occult mens club but you have to wonder. Imagine some of the crazies on this site having the money/influence to actually put ideas into effect. Like public policy. It's really not a stretch. Just like extraterrestrials or ancient aliens. I can't say for sure but it also isn't beyond logic to draw conclusions from circumstancial evidence. Certainly no stranger than religion.

I can attest personally that some of these elite mens clubs are absolutely bizarre. The scary part is they have the money to carry out these ideas.

reply to post by Movescamp


We are near the same page actually. I've dealt with some pretty strong personalities, the problem I have with people and some of the conjecture they have on the subject is that they use correlation to try and prove multiple theories and/or ideas that all fit into a super-theory. Like it is all connected. When in reality, often times things that go on behind the scene are compartmentalized and secluded. Often the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing, and some actions of truly influential people are only to counter their adversaries. To think that they all get together in one giant circle or group is far fetched.

From my experience I see it more of a dog eat dog environment with a large group of sycophants at the skirts of multiple influences. And I also know that people do some of the most ridiculous things for literally insane outcomes. There are people that will reshape a thousand lives to prove a point, for a bet, or just to get someone's attention. This is all personal experience though. So it is my insight and mine alone. The only thing that I think can be concluded from all this is a better understanding of human nature.

As far as uncovering what's really going on, doesn't happen, because their is too much spin out there.

Nice to go over the little information that gets released though, something to do. Better than most fiction.

reply to post by Movescamp

Do you know how many historical secrets the Vatican holds?

Yeah, it's amazing, but because no one has access, it technically doesn't exist. Society throughout the world is belief, idea or creation, in a sense. What is known is real and what isn't known, isn't. Quite a remarkable thing really.

I think this will slowly get out of TPTB's control. Seems like every few months, someone is creating a new free energy device. I believe it will get to the point where people are making these at home on a large scale. They will be sold outside the normal channels of commerce. Online etc. Awareness will reach a boiling point.

At that point, it will probably be declared dangerous (falsely) and become outlawed once they get a handle on things.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

Thanks...yeah, It would seem we are thinking on the same wave length. I still have yet to look into this particular device (maybe I'll look after I finish this reply) but my experience has been that almost all of the 'free energy' type devices out there are usually either hoax's, or their effects are being misinterpreted. Still there a small handful that I find somewhat credible, and at the very least possible. I'll have to look into this one to find out which category this one will fall into.

Originally posted by StripedBandit
You ask in the title why this isn't being reported..I believe the answer is simple. free energy means no more stranglehold by the oil companies. People will push for the conversion to free energy, the elite lose in a big way. Keep it quiet, keep ripping you off.

Bravo! Well Spoken!!

Why do you think has there been no UFO disclosure yet? For the very same reason why the people at the top are not interested in alternative energy sources. If we had this technology right now, all oil companies lose 70% of their value over night (it will take time until car manufacturers replace all the cars in the world, so oil will still be needed to some extent even after such a discovery). As long as people make billions of the oil industry there will be a great effort to prevent that. There are also various other industries (solar and wind energy) that would fall apart if we had unlimited energy. People don't like change ...

Here's a nice documentary about Cold Fusion which is very promising too. I think if we would give all those people more funds we could have a solution to our energy problem in a few years. It would be naive to think that oil will be an unimportant resource in a few years. It will probably take another 20 years or so... :/

reply to post by coolhanddan
I believe that you will have to look at the board of directors of these companies and corporations in order to get an idea of what is going on.

Check the background on some of these characters and you find that they have worked for other companies, banks or news agencies and still have strong friendly ties with their pals and some have married into large family owned businesses that have interests in other businesses and areas and so they help each other out with money, information and influence.

As for the MSM not covering news of interest, it has gotten to the point that reporters don't go after a story because their afraid of losing their high paying jobs and maybe not ever working in the field of journalism again. So they do as their told and push the celebraties and advertising at us and mix in a little news every now and then.

Just one person's view on things

reply to post by boncho

I could not agree with you LESS concerning the insurance and finance sectors as being INDUSTRIES.

They are financial institutions who have invented nothing except new forms of fraud since the inception of lending and underwriting.
Both of these would be better institutionalized under direct governmental (assuming they could keep their hands clean) control.

A lengthy exposition could be made here but "industries"? C'mon.

reply to post by largo


I'm not arguing their use or validity. I'm merely stating my observations. And yes, they make enough money to be considered industries.

Should they be? Probably not.

Will they continue to be? Most likely so.

First thing in changing the world is recognizing what it thinks it is. Same goes for people.

reply to post by janus95


Look, if the technology is suppressed by the West than why has it not been developed by Russia or another country that is less controlled by western gas companies?

I stopped watching the documentary two mins in because the scientist said "What we think is happening is..."

Does anyone not understand that there are countries out there that have been studying Cold Fusion for half a century? Do these countries care what "TPTB" think?

I'm curious. Do "TPTB" control every country in the world? Just the rich ones?

Because there are dozens countries out there that are not in good economic situations that would love cold fusion. Is there a reason they haven't developed it? Do they not offer immunity to people that cross government lines? Did double agents not retire in Russia after the Cold War? Would they not give haven to someone who brings this technology?

I just can't wrap my head around this thinking. Someone actually argued in this thread that "TPTB" are suppressing this technology because (paraphrasing) 'any dictator could have unlimited energy and that would make them too powerful'

So if the technology is so powerful, and the information is out there, why haven't regimes working on it developed it yet? I mean, if they had it they would become too powerful... no? That would be a lot of leverage.

And actually, just because of that, the US would have to build it too, to maintain equality with those countries.

Iran is still stuck on fission (hasn't got it yet) and Russia has been working on Fusion for a half century. Nuclear science is not as easy as people in this thread would like to believe. As far as electrogravitics, I am just at a loss for words with the evidence provided in this thread.

Consider perhaps we are fridge.