Why do Liberals Hate freedom of speech?

reply to post by works4dhs


Fox lies all the time so to cite them as a credible source means you've just lost your credibility.

What is the opinions of every Conservative here without relying on Fox or the Baggers to tell you what your talking points for the day should be or what the new "Boogyman" is today?

The up side of it is that Liberals get caught in their own complicated webs that they weave.
Al Gore and his house lit up light a Christmas tree using enough energy to light up 10 normal homes is a prime example. They end up looking like hypocrites. Do as I say, not as I do types. More Dictatorial than Democratic.

Originally posted by spinalremain
I cannot even find XMas cookies anymore!

Somehow, celebrating X-Mas in the United States has become offensive to Jewish people.

Could it be because it is February?
Just asking because I am curious what part of the country you are in. I bought Christmas cookies and egg nogg right up until Jan 4th. It is almost March now though so I would assume the lack of Christmas cookies is hardly related to Liberals and political correctness. Just a guess.

reply to post by 88solarman88


Have you every seen a regime based on Marxist ideology not use centralized power limit political and social speech? It can not survive in a free society of open thought and debate? No. The oppression and abuse of Marxism can not stand in a society of individual freedom.

Liberals hate all freedom, their ideal is Orwell's 1984. They believe they are the only ones that have a right to exist, so their hate filled hearts are fine with violence and force to silence any opposition. They want totalitarian control, and will kill for it.

You guys should watch this- well worth it:

reply to post by tom502


What exactly has the Conservatives done to protect freedom and by sending troops overseas in endless wars while keeping the "Wars over anergy" going do not count.

1984 is the GOP's dream fantasy, no more hostility, no more challenging, no more freedoms.

The last great GOP President we had was Eisenhower as he actually cared about the average American.

Something to ponder :

"Joe The Republican" - Authour unknown, year unkown :

Joe gets up at 6 am and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance – now Joe gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker compensation or unemploy ment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety st andards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans.
The house didn’t have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self -made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.

Originally posted by spinalremain
Political correctness is a cancer and it is slowly destroying our society.

Considering Political Correctness only exists in the wild fantasies of conservatives, I'd have to argue that you're only partially wrong; it's the total sum of far-right fever dreams and fantasies that are causing the destruction. The further disjointed from reality a society gets, the worse-off it becomes.

What is so awful about the truth that we must hide behind false ideas and never speak of things which offend people? It's all total hor#. People need thicker skin.

Do you tell dead baby jokes at a baby shower? Probably not, right? Do you repeatedly offer any Jewish friends ham and cheese sandwiches? I doubt it. While sitting in church, do you crack off some heavy wind and then shout out about what a relief it is? I don't think you would.

There are these things called "manners." Most people learn at least a few of them from their parents, unless, as the saying goes, "they lack home training." Manners and politeness are long-existing social systems, probably dating back to the earliest hominids, wherein you are taught to not be a complete dick to the people around you.

Modern conservatives seem to struggle with the concept. Were they perhaps raised in a barn?

I cannot even find XMas cookies anymore!

Well, like another poster said, it is February. What kind of Christmas cookies are you unable to find? 'Cause here in ultra-liberal western Washington, I can find all sorts of Christmas-themed shortbreads, gingerbreads, mint chip cookies, you name it. Granted, I've never found a hardcore christian cookie (I assume it'd be a crucifex with strategically placed strawberry jam!) but I'm sure if I went to a specialist bakery...

Somehow, celebrating X-Mas in the United States has become offensive to Jewish people. Can someone please explain this to me?

That's easy; you're being lied to when World Net Daily tells you this. What seems to bother Jewish people more is the assumption from many media and commercial outlets that Chaunnukah is "Jewish Christmas."

Why does the idea of "Merry Christmas" offend anyone? Christmas isn't exactly a celebration of Birkenau. What has happened to people?

edit on 26-2-2011 by spinalremain because: (no reason given)

it doesn't offend anyone. You're being lied to, as I said. The people who's swill you're buying are telling you that there's a "war on christmas" spearheaded by the jews, Muslims, and liberals, for no reason other than they're all evil and hate you. One of the cornerstones is that many commercial outlets use the term "holidays" instead of an exclusive "christmas." This is because there a damned lot of holidays in December, and these stores want to make sure they get all their customers covered by seasonal cheer.

As much as I hate the clichéd phrase, do please wake up.

reply to post by 88solarman88


Either a troll or competently ignorant to the fact that all sides and parties partake in censorship to some degree.

Do I even have to mention Fox? All msm censors information to one degree or another. We are just biased creatures for now anyway.

reply to post by sara123123


Are you suggesting that Karl Marx would have supported the communist party that existed in the 20th century?

While he may have wanted to commend them for trying to implement a state controlled economy in the beginning, the entire scope of the party was a utter failure and no sane human would have ever supported the atrocities the communist states imposed on the eastern hemisphere. I am 100% positive that Karl Marx would have been a fierce critic by the time it became common knowledge of the atrocities committed by the Russians.


Edit: I am sure Karl Marx would be worried about what is exactly happening now. The Communist parties in the 20th century, for the most part, have done nothing but sully his name.

reply to post by 88solarman88


No, Liberals, classical liberalism supports freedom of speech, liberalism is based on freedoms, so no the liberals are not trying to suppress your freedom of speech. Ideological liberals and political movements that claim to be liberal should not support anything that suppresses freedom of speech as it contradicts the most basic principles of liberalism. Read some John Locke

It’s not the liberals fault, it’s the fault of the politically correct idiots that are overtaking Brittan.


PS: Frankie went too far, that is why he was binned and rightly so, he used to be funny but he went too far

By very definition the term "liberal" refers to being free from external grip and control. Root word is liberated!

I believe liberals are all for freedom of speech. I watch Democracy Now! on Free Speech TV, and they are really liberal. I can't agree with everything they say, they aren't funded by any big corporations, they do report news that I can't find in the MSM. You wouldn't be able to pay me enough to watch Fox News, (and I say news lightly). It seems conservatives are more into dis-information. I believe conservatives are into freedom of speech, their speech anyway. Why is it that with liberals it's okay to bash a Christian but not okay to bash a Muslim? Weird.

Because Liberalism doesnt mean freedom like it originally did....it stands for Big Government now and BG doesnt want opposition which freedom of speech represents. I apologize if someone already expressed those sentiments as I didnt take time to read the entire thread...actually no apologies - just reinforce what others may have said.

Originally posted by 88solarman88
Liberals censor or try to anything they dont like, its the same in UK with other far left partys. I agree some words may offend people but now its getting beyond a joke. Recently a comedian called Frankie Boyle was pulled off air in the UK for some jokes about muslims and suicide bombers which was deemed offensive by the Equalties comminision. Racism against white people also goes un-noticed by liberals who allow the use of of words such as whitey and cracker, hey I have no problem with that! Im not a glass gut who cant take a joke but liberals are. Now go ahead and report me for being a neo nazi who wants to kill million of jews because thats what all anti liberals are right

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Get a grip America and UK! Soon we wont be allowed to look at people the wrong way!

Frankie Boyle is a liberal....

It's hilarious to see the EDL and BNP members throwing their support behind Boyle, protesting Liberal censorship. They must not realise he despises the anti-left

Also people are confusing liberalism with something it isn't.

Lets look at Europe, the more liberal a nation the more lax the TV. More swearing, nudity, violence etc. It's when you move away from Liberalism, move away from the Left, when you see a ridiculous amount of censorship

The most Liberal countries in the world have the most free media and television.

Liberals don't "hate" freedom of speech. They just don't like anything that isn't politically correct. You shouldn't hurt anyone's feelings any more or less than you hurt anyone else's. It's the fascists (far right) that hate free speech because it is "sedition" (read: truth). Unfortunately, both sides limit free speech, albeit for different reasons.

/TOA

Originally posted by 88solarman88
Liberals censor or try to anything they dont like, its the same in UK with other far left partys. I agree some words may offend people but now its getting beyond a joke. Recently a comedian called Frankie Boyle was pulled off air in the UK for some jokes about muslims and suicide bombers which was deemed offensive by the Equalties comminision. Racism against white people also goes un-noticed by liberals who allow the use of of words such as whitey and cracker, hey I have no problem with that! Im not a glass gut who cant take a joke but liberals are. Now go ahead and report me for being a neo nazi who wants to kill million of jews because thats what all anti liberals are right

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Get a grip America and UK! Soon we wont be allowed to look at people the wrong way!

I am a liberal in America who agrees that, in this case, censorship is uncalled for. It is my personal opinion regarding immigrants that they better get used to it because we poke fun at any and every thing and body including ourselves. They, especially Muslims (God bless them), better grow some thick skin or go back to their old countries.

Either philosophy, right or left has extremes which someone will eventually find intolerable. Close to the center is always the best. Yes in most ways I am liberal. It's too bad that the best that each has to offer cannot be culled out and put to good use to benefit everyone. Instead we fight so much that everyone is going to end up losing.

reply to post by CosmicCitizen


Unfortunately, history shows that smaller governments are much more prone to repression; after all, the smaller a government is, the more powerful Men With Guns become in that government, because it's never the military or police that are shrunk.

When you ask for smaller government, you are asking for military dictatorship through violence; when you ask for big government, what you're asking for is a stagnated and ineffective government.

What people really want is smart government, one that listens to the people and flows with public wishes.