Is ATS Supporting Ignorance Concerning Chemtrails? I think so.

Weedwhacker,

Thank you for your challenging comments, I will include them in my own analysis. If the Chemtrailing is true and for the reasons that I stated, I am afraid it would be a vainglorious attempt anyway, like whistling in the wind. If we are facing nasty spaceweather for a period of time, I doubt that any human efforts would be sufficient to effect the outcome.

Plus 1

this one link has as many of the search terms as one can possible search, if you are up too it and see for your self that yes we are being sprayed,
www.globalresearch.ca... and this sums it up

For more than a decade, first the United States and then Canada’s citizens have been subjected to a 24/7/365 day aerosol assault over our heads made of a toxic brew of poisonous heavy metals, chemicals, and other dangerous ingredients. None of this was reported by any mainstream media. The US Department of Defense [DOD] and military have been systematically blanketing all our skies with what are known as Chemtrails (also known as Stratospheric Aerosol Geoengineering)

from link posted, search term in the the last line if your up to it. "and then we are told there is no spraying going on" statement from Nam vet on Agent orange, and we are to believe them
(the gov) now? i for one think not for one min.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Gerizo

 

Listen here Jester, the only thing funny was you photoshopping a rainbow over a picture which showed one "chemtrail" line and some wispy clouds. What you posted and what I have seen in the sky are in NO way shape in form the same. Unfortunately, the ATS media site will not allow me at this time to upload my picture to post it for all too see. But, I have included a link which shows "exactly" what I was talking about and as soon as the ATS media is working again I will include this picture in a post.

So if your pic is so good then another member would probably post it for you,just ask them. Now to the pic I posted came from a site of contrails from around the world. Take a look. Since the posted pic was from there and you want to say it was doctored by me then feel free to assume. Also you do know that a rainbow effect in the cloud or contrails is caused by water crystals that are in the contrail or cloud.?

Why not post the link then if you have it.

edit on 27-2-2011 by tsurfer2000h because: text

The picture you posted looked edited to me or perhaps you found the picture on the internet somewhere. I posed my own personal picture that I took, and the link for that was in my reply. I do know that sometimes water crystals cause this effect, however, what I am stating is that there is a difference between what I photographed and what you posted and are trying to say. Your picture and my picture do not at all look even close to one another.

Apologies, I've not had the time to read all 21 pages. Has there been any response from a mod, site administrator about the question raised by this thread?

not that i am a were of, why do you ask? for all that i have read is open sourced and on the web,speaking of www.docstoc.com... and the story goes if you think it some one will use it build it or play with it. still no chem trails? well ok there is more. just looking for the "smoking gun" as they say.

There is a bias against chemtrails because the theory is based in fantasy. Its absolute rubbish and I for one am glad that ATS is relegating it to the "imagination forums". You dont have a shred of evidence of chemtrails (and no I dont mean photos of contrails). ATS is denying ignorance by putting chemtrails in its place. I applaud ATS in that respect.

reply to post by Pryde87
well you have the right not to believe just as i have the right to believe, and when the proof does come to light what will you say then? just like this idea www.iac.ethz.ch... use of heater HAARP? and then this, asking the question is it feasible www.nerc-essc.ac.uk... and just when you think chem trials are the talk check this out Rail gun??? www.blewbury.co.uk...

One scheme proposed by Roger Angel at the US National Academy of Sciences in April, 2006 involves firing billions of minute reflectors into space using a large rail gun or coil gun.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by backinblack

 

No.
The "chemtrailers" say that contrails do not persist.
The "chemtrailers" say that contrails cannot spread.
The "chemtrailers" say that contrails cannot form a cloud deck.

I know that I missed you by about 30 minutes Phage, I am a little late to the conversation, but I just wanted to share part of a post that I made a while ago. The second part helps to explain how a contrail can cover the whole sky. I thought that this would be relevant to the discussion. I know that the second link is from the coveted Contrail Science website but I think the explanation sounds good to me.

Here is a link about jet contrails. www.weatherquestions.com.
"If the air has low relative humidity, then a contrail will not form because the extra water vapor produced by the jet engines is not large enough to produce condensation. But if the is air has high relative humidity, then a contrail forms, using up the excess water vapor that the air can not hold."



Here is an interesting explanation to why contrails stay in the air longer. contrailscience.com...

"If the air has so much water vapor in it already that it can’t hold any more (i.e. it’s “supersaturated”), then the ice crystals can’t sublimate, and so the contrail will stay around for a long time. The ice crystals might even attract water from the air, if there is enough, and the contrail will get thicker. Winds might make the contrail spread out to even cover the whole sky."

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I know that the links are not working in the quote but if anybody cares they can take the thread link to my post.

I can definitely say that I am not a "chemtrailer." Sorry backinblack but I am still looking into the cloud seeding mix-up theory that I have. Like I said I know that the quotes are from "contrailscience" but it makes sense to me.

If the posters of pictures or video has the time and place of alleged chemtrails you can look up the relative humidity for that region. I like to cross reference relative humidity for these places.

well i think chemtrials is the true story but one might by this as a way of doing it www.jdawiseman.com...
this is from the link

A Tame Tethered Tornado

The idea is due to Norman Louat and Louis M. Michaud

Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
reply to post by bhornbuckle75

 

May i ask how old you are ?? .................
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Me and my 20 friends beg to differ and even call LIAR to people who say they saw these before....PROVE IT, you will find you cannot.

edit on 26-2-2011 by GrinchNoMore because: more

Well I quite clearly said in my comment that I was 36. The fact that you missed that...(with no disrespect intended) makes me doubt your abilities of observation. As for you wanting me to "PROVE IT".......Are you honestly asking me to prove my memory?!?! Exactly how do you propose that I do this? If you can give me a legitimate way that is not too far fetched then I will surely try it. But untill someone builds a memory probing device....or else Vulcan's land and they are willing to mind meld the two of us so you can observe my memories...I am just not sure how to accomplish this. Do you wish that I conclusively prove that the contrails where there before 98 (the date you give as first noticing the difference). How do you propose I do this? I do not believe a database of daily pictures of a given spot of the sky for any given period of time exists, since it would have had to have been put together for no reason, other than to prove something that no one back then would have ever thought they needed to prove. Tell me how it is you are expecting me to find proof that they existed before 98 and If its in my ability to do so, I will.

I would suggest that you really think about when you first 'continuously' watched the sky. You only mention first noticing a change in 98. Is this when you first started watching the sky for chemtrails/contrails? The only claim you seem to be making is of a strange dark cloud, and another one which came out of a jet. I have little doubt that you experienced some strange weather. I imagine that you don't live in a place like Florida...such radical weather changes as being sunny one minute and dark and stormy the next are quite common. (I used to go to Florida to visit Disney World every year growing up as a child, though I lived in central Indiana....Plus I lived in Florida for a few years of my adult life)

Another thing that makes me truly wonder about your ability to observe things is your statement that you 'timed' contrails and saw them last as long as a minute, as if that is supposed to be something odd! Thats truly on the low end of how long a contrail can last. I am really quite shocked you have never seen one last longer than that...I would imagine that even someone who hardly ever watches the sky has seen one last longer than a minute! They can actually last hours (something I know well from watching them as a child). I even googled it to see if my memory of that was correct and indeed it was....as this page I found attests to: contrailscience.com...

So to conclude.....tell me how you expect me to prove either my memory to you or that there was contrails before 98, and I will attempt it if its possible for me to do.

I apologize if someone has already posted this before. But this is such a long thread to read through I decided to skip to the end here to add a link to a recent documentary on the subject of chemtrails. I believe that it has some of the evidence that all the debunkers here keep crying for.

It's called...What in the World Are They Spraying? • November 15th, 2010

here's the link... www.youtube.com...


Edit: here's another link to an article just published today

www.usatoday.com...

reply to post by Blaine91555



Chem trail stands for chemical trail. So any trail left over by a aircraft that contains chemicals that normal jetliner contrails do not contain.
No one for sure could know if chemtrails are bad not. Could just be testing different types of chemicals and one type was causing problems.

Personally i think its governments trying to reflect sun light before it becomes short wave radiation in our atmosphere. Pretty effective way to climate change.

reply to post by Draken


Watch the video documentary I posted in the link right above your post.

Here it is again
www.youtube.com...

The Chemtrail/Geo-Engineering Coverup Revealed.

By now everyone has seen crisscrossing streaks of white clouds trailing behind jet aircraft, stretching from horizon to horizon, eventually turning the sky into a murky haze. Our innate intelligence tells us these are not mere vapor trails from jet engines, but no one yet has probed the questions: who is doing this and why. With the release of this video, all of that has changed. Here is the story of a rapidly developing industry called geo-engineering, driven by scientists, corporations, and governments intent on changing global climate, controlling the weather, and altering the chemical composition of soil and water — all supposedly for the betterment of mankind. Although officials insist that these programs are only in the discussion phase, evidence is abundant that they have been underway since about 1990 — and the effect has been devastating to crops, wildlife, and human health. We are being sprayed with toxic substances without our consent and, to add insult to injury, they are lying to us about it. Do not watch this documentary if you have high blood pressure.

Chem-trails are spreading toxic metals like barium, aluminum and strontium across the entire USA and many other parts of the globe. The proof can be found lying right on the ground almost everywhere that they have been spraying. These chemicals are suspected to be causing many of the mass animals deaths that have been being reported lately.

www.usatoday.com...

Can geoengineering put the freeze on global warming?

Scientists call it "geoengineering," but in plain speak, it means things like this: blasting tons of sulfate particles into the sky to reflect sunlight away from Earth; filling the ocean with iron filings to grow plankton that will suck up carbon; even dimming sunlight with space shades.

Each brings its own set of risks, but in a world fretting about the consequences of global warming, are these ideas whose time has come?

With 2010 tying as the world's warmest year on record and efforts to slow greenhouse gas emissions looking stymied, calls are rising for research into engineering our way out of global warming — everything from launching solar shade spacecraft to genetically engineering green deserts. An international consortium of 12 universities and research institutes on Tuesday, for example, announced plans to pioneer large-scale "ocean fertilization" experiments aimed at using the sea to pull more greenhouse gases out of the sky.

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reply to post by Char-Lee


Let me get this right. You have a military pilot as a son? So what exactly is your son's take on it?

Your son as a pilot will be able to access the high route charts such as H-1 covering your area.

www.airresearch.com...

How do you think some aircraft route from the east coast of the US to Japan and vice-versa? Some of those large airliners will route directly out/in over your location and others will take a more northerly route. You will only notice persistent contrails when the meteorological conditions are right for them to form. A lot of the time aircraft will transit your region and you will simply not notice them. Your son, as you claim is a military pilot, should be able to explain contrails to you and how they form. You'll be telling us next that he is a KC-135 pilot about to whistleblow on the spraying?

See post by Yankee451 on checking out conditions.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

TJ

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
Chem-trails are spreading toxic metals like barium, aluminum and strontium across the entire USA and many other parts of the globe. The proof can be found lying right on the ground almost everywhere that they have been spraying. These chemicals are suspected to be causing many of the mass animals deaths that have been being reported lately.

So, the fact that there is aluminum, barium and strontium in the ground, somehow proves spraying??? If I may ask, where do you think these things come from to start with?

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


Yes, that junk video has been posted, linked to many, many, many times. It is a completely bogus "documentary", full of false assumptions, and bad, bad "pseudo"-science.

Read a critique here: contrailscience.com...

You (and countless others) are victims of an elaborate HOAX!!!

reply to post by firepilot



Please take the time to watch the the video documentary i posted earlier. The levels of these particles being found are huge. The snow found on top of Mt Shasta in CA is now deadly to drink. The particle levels are in no way shape or form normal or explainable by natural occurrences.

reply to post by weedwhacker


You sir in my opinion are the one that is "bogus". You are here on ATS to Troll as a professional debunker of all topics with no professional credentials to back up any of your pseudo science that you base your opinions on.

As the OP said and i qoute

If ATS can ban ANW from being linked then can we ban "contrailscience.com" from being linked? As that is the most ludicrous website concerning Contrails/Chemtrails. Full of half truths & the domain goes through a private proxy making you unable to find the owner of the site. (yes I know the "about" tab on the site claims to give the owners name and etc..)

Why else would you have made a specific thread defending yourself and claiming not to be a disinfo agent?
You gave yourself away with that one www.abovetopsecret.com...

Edit: And may I add that your higher than thou condescending attitude is really quite juvenial and I will no longer respond to your posts. Unless I find you have change your tone, your level of respect for real science and your closed minded attitude. Move along please your Trolley vehicle awaits

Originally posted by weedwhacker reply to post by FredT

 

FredT....do you mean when I bring out facts, because of my inside knowledge, then others attack ME and accuse me? I know, it is difficult to convey what I know, by writing it. So much of communication requires the subtlety, the nuances of words, gestures and expression. Hence, the dilemma....

reply to post by Phage


My research is in the early stages, so I can't give definitive responses yet - I don't have a definite stance on the matter. However, going off what I have seen in the skies, read on ATS / the internet so far, and witnessed in terms of disinfo (and threats against those who research the issue), I would have to say that there is a definite possibility that chemtrailing is (in some way) a real phenomenon.

NB - I also believe that some 'chemtrail truthers' are in fact 'disinfo in disguise'.

Without further research I can offer little more than speculation at this time. To start with I'm bookmarking all the 'for' and 'against' websites, and I'll go from there wherever the trail leads.


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I was warned off further research into chemtrailing, and particularly from contributing on ATS/ facebook etc regarding the topic, with a combination of three distinct and targeted events taking place two days ago, culminating in a threat of severe violence from a group of adults posing as 'delinquent youths' standing against my garden fence (there's some derelict property next to our house).

I'm not going to create the thread (as originally planned) to explain the ins and outs of what happened, because my wife saw me writing it and is basically scared that I'm attracting the wrong sort of attention by 'stirring' an obviously sensitive topic on ATS. To be honest, I was (and remain) extremely angry that 'someone' felt they could basically act as Thought Police in this way.

I'll be talking more with my wife over the coming days to try and get her to allow me to write the thread (I'm not under the thumb, honest..) It's important for me to explain what happened properly, the reason being twofold. Firstly, they shouldn't be allowed to get away with implementing fascist control in our communities. Secondly - what happened adds weight to the suggestion that there may be something to this chemtrail conspiracy.

It was a threat with a get-out clause; ie '...back off and nothing will happen'. Obviously now I'm writing about this we'll just have to wait and see if they were serious. Hopefully not. I am very concerned, not for my own safety, but mainly because there's lots of things that powerful groups can do to 'punish' people that even think about f**&%ng with them. I'll be forwarding my real contact details to one of the mods I trust in order that I will have some sort of recourse to seek relevant legal support if any actions against my family do occur.

Please don't think I'm under the impression I'm being targeted solely for the chemtrail issue (I don't think I'm 'special', or that I have any particular information to contribute to the research).

I was already firmly under the impression that certain groups monitor my life and actions, online activity etc, and that it's been ongoing for over fifteen years now. The fact that they are warning me off a particular issue is probably a gamble that I'd take them moderately seriously, given my experience of 'their' interference in my life.