TPTB already took care of Loughner and replaced him with a duplicate.

Originally posted by Aggie Man
It looks like the same person to me. However, I'll play along...so, assuming that Loughner has been "taken care of" and that is, in deed, a replacement....then what happens to the replacement once he is convicted? Seriously, is an innocent man going to willingly sit in jail/get executed, just to perpetuate a government cover-up?

Sorry, I don't make up facts as I go, I wait until I can see the evidence in front of me. But playing the hypothetical game, if the secret government could eliminate loughner before a trial, whose to say they'd really execute the person on trial? If they are going for an insanity plea he may not get the death penalty so it'll just be the figment of people's imagination that a Loughner is sitting in a jail somewhere when he's probably already dead.

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the Origional pic is from the day of the shootings.

The camera angle is a bit different and closer than the latter. It is the same freak, just the newer pic, he isn't as smug.

Why would they "switch" him out anyway? To be a global threat? This crack pot is an absolute loon, and would not be controllable to have on a killer's payroll!

Find something better to create a conspiracy about. PLEASE!

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
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Not a copy its him he is less stressed in second pic. First pic his energy is up from his negative interactions hes hyped up.

that's assuming that the release date of the photo coincides with when it was taken. There's no proof as of yet to know when the photos were taken. If anything, the recent photo shows a darker scar on his forehead so that photo is the older one, unless he banged his head in the exact same location. Plus I notice how no one seems to be talking about the court drawing which shows a man with more hair than loughner.

Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by Aggie Man
It looks like the same person to me. However, I'll play along...so, assuming that Loughner has been "taken care of" and that is, in deed, a replacement....then what happens to the replacement once he is convicted? Seriously, is an innocent man going to willingly sit in jail/get executed, just to perpetuate a government cover-up?

Sorry, I don't make up facts as I go, I wait until I can see the evidence in front of me. But playing the hypothetical game, if the secret government could eliminate loughner before a trial, whose to say they'd really execute the person on trial? If they are going for an insanity plea he may not get the death penalty so it'll just be the figment of people's imagination that a Loughner is sitting in a jail somewhere when he's probably already dead.

But why would the government have already "offed" Loughner? You need a motive to have a conspiracy. So, what's the motive?

Along with lighting the poses are different with his first shot his head is up slightly from the second. The only question I had when they showed this on the news was why did they need to shoot another mug shot... My only guess is that the defense wanted to do away with the insane shot in lieu of a calmer shot....

I have to agree with you.

All I see is a mentally disturbed young man. Any way you try to stretch, bend or fold it...

It's the same guy...Sheesh


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why do they off any witness? Because witnesses can testify. Is that a strong enough motive for you?

Originally posted by filosophia
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why do they off any witness? Because witnesses can testify. Is that a strong enough motive for you?

Testify to what exactly? Seriously, from all appearances, this is an open and shut case. Loughner would likely not even take the stand. It's rare that murders testify.

Originally posted by Shotyoung
Along with lighting the poses are different with his first shot his head is up slightly from the second. The only question I had when they showed this on the news was why did they need to shoot another mug shot... My only guess is that the defense wanted to do away with the insane shot in lieu of a calmer shot....

(Judge)Burns also said that the two mug shots are "tamer" than the Pima County Sheriff's Department photo of Loughner that has been widely disseminated and would not likely affect Loughner's right to a fair trial.

The judge admits that he released the photo because the new photo is "tamer", this is tampering with evidence and an attempt to alter public opinion (or worse, placating to public nausea at the sake of justice).


www.usatoday.com...

Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by filosophia
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why do they off any witness? Because witnesses can testify. Is that a strong enough motive for you?

Testify to what exactly? Seriously, from all appearances, this is an open and shut case. Loughner would likely not even take the stand. It's rare that murders testify.

Well, try to think historically. If Oswald wasn't the real JFK killer, he would say that, so they had to have Jack Ruby kill Oswald before trial. If Loughner was a pasty, he didn't really commit the crime, and would probably say that sometime before they execute him, so that would be a motive to eliminate Loughner.

Originally posted by filosophia
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why do they off any witness? Because witnesses can testify. Is that a strong enough motive for you?

In a word, nope.
If it was a big conspiracy, why don't they just fake his suicide so he can't testify?
Why an elaborate set up with a look-a-like? Or! Maybe it's a clone!!!!
Seriously, let it go, you're barking up an empty tree.

Originally posted by Aggie Man


this is an open and shut case.

It is sad that you would essentially pronounce a man guilty without even seeing video evidence of him committing the crime. I hope the same level of intolerance is never used against you. To uphold human rights, we must uphold the rights of all men, not just those we deem socially acceptable to society.

Originally posted by filosophia
If Loughner was a pasty, he didn't really commit the crime, and would probably say that sometime before they execute him, so that would be a motive to eliminate Loughner.

if he didn't do it He was apprehended at the scene of the crime. Multiple witnesses place him there. All evidence collected at the scene and his home identify him as the shooter.

To suggest that Loughner is a patsy is just plain ignorant.

You get the last word, I'm out of your insane thread.

Originally posted by NonKonphormist

Originally posted by filosophia
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why do they off any witness? Because witnesses can testify. Is that a strong enough motive for you?

In a word, nope.
If it was a big conspiracy, why don't they just fake his suicide so he can't testify?
Why an elaborate set up with a look-a-like? Or! Maybe it's a clone!!!!

Seriously, let it go, you're barking up an empty tree.

As I said, I don't make up facts as I go. But going along with your logic, if they suicided him they couldn't have a trial, could they?

Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by filosophia
If Loughner was a pasty, he didn't really commit the crime, and would probably say that sometime before they execute him, so that would be a motive to eliminate Loughner.

if he didn't do it

He was apprehended at the scene of the crime. Multiple witnesses place him there. All evidence collected at the scene and his home identify him as the shooter.

To suggest that Loughner is a patsy is just plain ignorant.

You get the last word, I'm out of your insane thread.

Who are these multiple witnesses? The only video was confiscated by the feds, and no phone footage is available. It seems like you have an abnormal trust of this man's guilt.

Regarding the brown eye / blue eye thing:

anyone with blue eyes (me & my whole family) and enough experience with a camera can deduct that blue eyes can come across as gray easily and also even be tinted by the rooms wall color.

Now i do see some fishy things about the whole situation but its the same person to me. Keep in mind the first picture was taken by himself (wearing women's clothes and having a rifle handy) if my memory serves correctly. The second photo is taken months later after hes been through hell (jail, interrogation, ect) im sure. So its easy to explain the evident weight loss.

must be a different guy because in one pic he has a bruise and the other he doesnt

anyway on a serious note, why would they do that, people die all the time in custody and not many would riot if he did so i find this all a bit nonsensical imo.

Originally posted by derst1988

The second photo is taken months later after hes been through hell (jail, interrogation, ect) im sure. So its easy to explain the evident weight loss.

it's not necessarily true that the second photo is taken months later, if you can show me documented evidence of this I would appreciate it.

Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by NonKonphormist

Originally posted by filosophia
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why do they off any witness? Because witnesses can testify. Is that a strong enough motive for you?

In a word, nope.
If it was a big conspiracy, why don't they just fake his suicide so he can't testify?
Why an elaborate set up with a look-a-like? Or! Maybe it's a clone!!!!

Seriously, let it go, you're barking up an empty tree.

As I said, I don't make up facts as I go. But going along with your logic, if they suicided him they couldn't have a trial, could they?

Ok, if you want to continue with this, go for it.
But I honestly believe you are way off the mark and run the risk of losing credibility for anything you post in the future.
Keep an open mind, but keep your feet on the ground.
I'm out, good luck.
Peace.

Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by derst1988

The second photo is taken months later after hes been through hell (jail, interrogation, ect) im sure. So its easy to explain the evident weight loss.

it's not necessarily true that the second photo is taken months later, if you can show me documented evidence of this I would appreciate it.

Honestly, im assuming. This is just coming out now. I believe that it is the person who is claiming that it is not the same person to inform me that it is NOT from a recent photo shoot. With evidence of course.

Edit In: "Then they release, for some reason, a "new" mugshot " (OP) I speak of what info that which has been given.