Abortion, Genocide, what’s THE difference?!?!?!?!?.... do you condone murder???

Me thinks the OP is of a mind to DEBATE abortion, rather than do anything to save babies marked for abortion.

I find that as repugnant an attitude as being "pro-choice".

reply to post by romanmel


I am a member of a anti abortion campaign group within my university, refuse to work in abortion clinics and give money to pro-life organisations. Not that this is anyone’s business.

I do not care for your assumptions of me, what have you done?

reply to post by Gorman91


so we have this women, she is married to someone who really isn't that attentive to her and her kid's needs but works and pays the bills., has three kids looking to her for all their basic needs, she gets pregnant, the doctor tells her that well, if she is gonna carry the kid to full term, she will need bedrest, since it's gonna affect her abilities do walk. and she goes home, and wonders, just who it is who will look after the kids while she is laying in bed unable to walk. okay, are you telling me that it's more justifiable for the women who was raped to get an abortion than it is for this lady, or if you want a real life example the blind lady in poland, who is gonna lose the abiliity to care for those she loves???
I say poppycock to that one!

Originally posted by Gooey6
All I have to say to anyone who preaches 100% anti-abortion nonsense, is that from my experience in the medical field...people really don't understand how many abortions SAVE lives (the mother).

Not very many. I love how you all focus on those 1% of abortions to save the life of the mother and rape.

There is virtually no one here saying that abortion shouldn't be allowed if it's the only way to save the Mother, so why are you focusing on that?

Just some wildly random comments, or thoughts, on the matter:

1. Is it "life" we want to protect, or just "human life"? If it is life in general...there are many other "murders" that take place. If it is "human life" only...then why are we so important? Cats, dogs, germs, etc. If we (humans) started as amoebas...then isn't killing amoebas today, future genocide?

2. What ever happened to being responsible and paying for, or dealing with problems you create? If I commit a crime or make a bad financial choice...I have years of living with the results of those choices. Maybe having the child is on the same lines. Or is our convenience that important?

3. NOT THAT I'M SUGGESTING THIS...but...if we want to solve the "problem" about abortion, since we can't stop people from having accidents or having sex...isn't the only fool-proof choice reversible sterilization? From birth until you decide to reverse it...you can't get pregnant?

4. Who but the possible parent should make such a law or decision...especially when it is selective. In my opinion, regardless if you outlaw abortions or not...it has to be black and white. Otherwise, it could result in selective breeding based on finances, race, region, religion, etc. I for one want "government" as far outside my life and my family as possible.

5. I'm curious how much of the "real reason" for the anti-abortion argument is religion. From many in-depth conversations with people over my 46 years, you would be surprised how many have eventually admitted that "had abortion been as readily available in the past, as it is now, Jesus may never have been born". That makes me wonder how many people today, who are anti-abortion, are really worried about "the second coming".

Just a brain dump here...since this thread (and most others like it) ends up in a shouting match anyway.

We are all killers, even if we don't wield the weapon ourselves. Maybe we allow our government to get the job done. That doesn't make us innocent. We kill at home and overseas. So if we are killers, and survival of the fittest applies, we are in good company with much of the other "life" on this planet. Maybe we should embrace that fact. Or...maybe we are more God-like than I believe. But God has killed also.

reply to post by SevenBeans

because some seem to want to risk the life, for the maybes, the couldbes, the wannabes?????

the "only way to save the life"
ummmm......what if there is this other way, experimental new technique, that might save it, should be try that first, and well, if it doesn't work, if the lady is still alive, we might let her abort?????

I focus on such a small group because they are the ones that will lose the most!! and they are the ones who seem to be lost in these discussions with just a passing lame remark like....
the only way to save the life......

reply to post by 15FORreal


And if both persons were medically sterilized, then there would be no chance for the girl to become pregnant due to rape and, therefore, no abortion. In fact, I would enact laws that would castrate rapists on a first offense, regardless of age.

Originally posted by dawnstar
I focus on such a small group because they are the ones that will lose the most!! and they are the ones who seem to be lost in these discussions with just a passing lame remark like....
the only way to save the life......

Actually that's all your side seems to want to talk about in these discussions... the extreme examples in which most people are in favor of allowing abortion anyway.

reply to post by dawnstar


Yes, I am. If she's in that position, the dude should be wearing a condom or something.

You have no right to judge a child's environment, as many good people have come from crap.

You have no right to end a life because of one to two people being retarded in their sexual behaviors. That is their responsibility.

You also have no right to a free pass because your life is hard. Life's a b*tch, then you die. You have a right to pursue happiness, no right to it.

My mother was to large to walk around and my dad walked all the time. I grew up pretty swell. To the kids who don't, their life is no reason to end mine.

reply to post by SevenBeans


Ok...Maybe we are all agreeing and need to just fine tune the points here.

I am pro abortion for these reasons:

Mother's life is in danger.
Fetus will be born with any form of physical or mental condition.
Baby will be raised in conditions unfit for humans of any social class. ( Adoption in this case should be encouraged but not mandatory).
Rape victims.
Incest victims.
Mentally or physically limited parents.


And I am totally in agreement that abortion is not a form of contraceptive. A teen or young woman that is in perfect physical and mental stated should be encouraged to bring the pregnancy to term and have the child put up for adoption BUT this should not be mandatory by no means, that person should still have the right to choose! That being said.......I'm sure that most abortions would be done with civil and justifiable reasons.

reply to post by SevenBeans


and, that should please you, because at least in my case,........that leaves a whole area free game for ya...just as long as you make sure that that small percent are taken care of......
ain't my fault the antiabortionists give the impression since this is a small group, they are insignificant...

Originally posted by dawnstar
the "only way to save the life"
ummmm......what if there is this other way, experimental new technique, that might save it, should be try that first, and well, if it doesn't work, if the lady is still alive, we might let her abort?????

Everything in life is a "might." If you don't want any risk of death than you shouldn't get out of bed in the morning (and you certainly shouldn't have sex or get pregnant). The problem I have with your line of thinking on this is that it always becomes "all pregnancies might cause death" therefore all abortions are justified.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by romanmel

 

I am a member of a anti abortion campaign group within my university, refuse to work in abortion clinics and give money to pro-life organisations. Not that this is anyone’s business.

I do not care for your assumptions of me, what have you done?

edit on 24-2-2011 by kevinunknown because: (no reason given)

My "assumptions" were based on your ignoring my earlier requests that you address the following:

"The question arrises, if you are so opposed to abortion, what have you done to rescue the babies?

If you were in Germany in 1944 and down the street from you was a concentration camp. If you were aware that every day hundreds of people were being gassed and burnt in ovens? Would you respond to this murder by writing a note and placing it on a wall in the public square for others to view? Lamenting murder resolves nothing either on a public wall or a web site. Murder requires action."

Giving money to an organization that "wrings it's hands" will not save babies lives. Of course it "is anyone's business" when you attack others in a holier than thou attitude, IMO.

So, is the proper response to murder to give money to an organisation?

Since you ask, I have spent time in jail more than once for entering an abortuary to stop murder.

reply to post by Freenrgy2
Rape is agaisnt law..and so is murder a law cant stop ppl from doing..u are right tho..i dont agree with abortion and i u go "oops" then a child is now a problem you must deal with

reply to post by Fox Molder


How do you counter-conception conception that's already happened? Get your vocabulary improved.

You have no right to judge a life based on your views. My roommate from freshman year was found to be retarded on a gene test. He was born perfectly normal. They told his mother to get an abortion. she refused. Clearly, your line of reasoning is fraud because the method is.

reply to post by Gorman91


and the same thing can be said of the rape victim...
life is a bitch, get over it...
same could be said of the women who learns that she will die given birth,....life's a bitch get over it!!!

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe

 

Well with regard to rape, only between 1 and 2 % of rapes lead to pregnancy although some statistics will say up to 5%. The likelihood of it is low and it varies depending on what study you read so rather than everyone thronging statistics around all I would say is this. Why should the child be killed because of the act of violence against the mother. That to me is still wrong as two wrongs don’t make a right, its still murder, first the mother is raped then kills her unborn child. For me that is still wrong.

I mean nearly 200,000 out of that only 52 were aborted because the mother might die when giving birth. I think this is justifiable but would also ask why the mother should live and the child die. The mother has probably already lived perhaps 30 years of her life.

I think we hit the nail on the head and this thread should be considered trolling and closed.

I mean nearly 200,000 out of that only 52 were aborted because the mother might die when giving birth. I think this is justifiable but would also ask why the mother should live and the child die.

You obviously hate women and children. Your words (I don't know you so I can only go by your statements) ring of someone who blames women for everything including procreation. This is some sick excuse to hate women and put them in jail unless controlled by a man in some way. You are no different than this Bobby Franklin from GA who says women should be jailed for miscarriages! Uterus Police But neither one of you will touch on the one thing that will definitely solve your problem.
Stop having sex. I don't see either of you championing that cause in order to protect the unborn children of the planet. Just don't touch another woman and encourage your fellow males of the species to do likewise. Until you can control yourselves, I really think you should stop trying to legislate my body parts.
So put your money where your mouth is Ron Jeremy.

And I am pro responsible reproduction via reversible medical sterilization.

Given your scenarios, responsible reproduction addresses all of these save the mother's life in danger or a child being born with mental of physical handicaps. And, in the later case, that should be left to the discretion of the parents. As abhorent as I feel it would be to abort a child with a handicap, it should be a choice that the parents make.

Originally posted by Fox Molder
reply to post by SevenBeans

 

Ok...Maybe we are all agreeing and need to just fine tune the points here.

I am pro abortion for these reasons:

Mother's life is in danger.
Fetus will be born with any form of physical or mental condition.
Baby will be raised in conditions unfit for humans of any social class. ( Adoption in this case should be encouraged but not mandatory).
Rape victims.
Incest victims.
Mentally or physically limited parents.


And I am totally in agreement that abortion is not a form of contraceptive. A teen or young woman that is in perfect physical and mental stated should be encouraged to bring the pregnancy to term and have the child put up for adoption BUT this should not be mandatory by no means, that person should still have the right to choose! That being said.......I'm sure that most abortions would be done with civil and justifiable reasons.

And, I would hope society would agree that a teen still in school would not be permitted reproduction rights.

reply to post by dawnstar


But in those cases, the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the governs of a free society, can be secured. Life is indeed a b*itch, and you should indeed get over it. But as far as legal matters go, you don't have a right to to let crimes go unanswered for. And for that matter, rape is a crime, being retarded with your sexuality is not.

Originally posted by romanmel

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by romanmel

 

Since you ask, I have spent time in jail more than once for entering an abortuary to stop murder.

edit on 24-2-2011 by romanmel because: (no reason given)

Then i commend and admire you for it.

There are allot of posts on this thread, I cannot give a direct response to everyone.