Abortion, Genocide, what’s THE difference?!?!?!?!?.... do you condone murder???

Originally posted by VI0811
reply to post by kevinunknown

 

I am willing to be open about this as I usually take the stance that its a personal decision for the individuals.

My question to you is. If you want to ban abortion, then what do you plan to do with all the unwanted babies that will result in this. Adoption is a very messed up process that usually results in the couples who are seeking adoption backing out because of the cost and legal issues that are involved. I know of many that this has happened to. They backed out, becasue a good experience became an unpleasant one.

If you can solve this issue. Implement it, then I will back the anti-abortion laws. but until such time, I will take a backseat to this issue.

Ummm......How about "keep thy legs closed", how about "if your going to have sex, educate yourself to the fact that sex is for procreation, ie., ensuring the continuation of the species", how about, wow, "protection", how about responsability, ie., when you have seen to it that none of the above occured, then your responsability is to raise the result. How about, NOT telling pre and adolescent humans to go ahead and "explore their sexuality" without regard, as if there is no "reaction from their action". How about achieving a "real" evolution, in which one considers the result of their actions, "before" those actions occur.
How can you claim enlightenment and progress, wisdom and evolution, when you have taken every step to belie these achievements. How can you claim Gnosis, if you "ignore/not consider" and "choose" to allow lust to overpower judgement.

YouSir

reply to post by romanmel


But have you stopped having sex?
No sex, no baby, no abortion, no murdering Dr.'s.
Why don't men ever say this? Because deep down you still think it's your right to control by brute force.
Just that simple.

Originally posted by DaWhiz
reply to post by romanmel

 

But have you stopped having sex?
No sex, no baby, no abortion, no murdering Dr.'s.
Why don't men ever say this? Because deep down you still think it's your right to control by brute force.
Just that simple.

No conception, no abortion. Have sex all you want.

Originally posted by romanmel
Me thinks the OP is of a mind to DEBATE abortion, rather than do anything to save babies marked for abortion.

I find that as repugnant an attitude as being "pro-choice".

Agreed...

I find it quite interesting that two people with opposing viewpoints can dissect a poor attempt at personal expression. The title alone brackets the act unfairly and sets the stage for calamity. That is, regardless of opinion, abortion is not genocide as genocide entails a systematic execution of living beings . You have your right to believe that abortion is murder, but to declare it as genocide was a crude attempt to paint half of an already dismal picture. If chaos was the goal, then the OP has succeeded as this conversation has once again tailspinned into 'baby-killers' and 'women-haters' making awful attempts at the hackneyed cases for and against abortion.

Bottom Line:

Guess what...what you think does not matter. It's now a written law which is held above the standard of OPINION. Move to an issue that which can afford change as opposed to mud-slinging.

reply to post by Gorman91



My vocabulary is just fine considering that English is my second language. And I am simply providing my views and reasons. Sorry to hear about the case you describe but you know damn well that the only true opinion in that case was a second or maybe even a third opinion from a neo-natal specialist. The assumption that this woman made that the doctor was wrong was a choice, HER CHOICE and it would of been the same thing if she would have taken the doctor's advice to abort, HER CHOICE. But I emphasize that if that were me I would of consulted and have gotten multiple specialist reports.

reply to post by Gorman91

yes, and you can tell that to the three kids who are starving, rummaging though empty cubboards for food, while mom is laying in a bed, dad is off driving truck because he just can't take the family scene, and the fine gov't is too busy taking money out of your husband's paycheck to hand pay for your neighbor's outrageous heating bill because they have the windows open every winter morning to "air out the house" to do nothing more but take the kids and put them in a foster care system and commence to take even more money out of that paycheck!!
why don't you go to poland and tell the blind lady...hey, life's a bitch, get over it, tell her kids that too!

and if you can do that, then quite frankly, he shouldn't care about the rape victims either!

reply to post by Fox Molder


That choice you are talking about came when they decided to have sex. They, not her, made the choice not to have protection. They, not her alone, decided that a child was what they wanted.

There is never one choice in sex, nor in the child that comes about. A child is made of half of each parent, and therefore the parents in question have equal say in the results of their choice. You cannot erase the choices made in the beginning of the events and say that their choice is half way through the game. That's just plain retarded.

reply to post by Freenrgy2


But that in and of itself is one of the major problems in its entirety - why is it more important for you not to control yourself? Why do you feel you need to have all the sex you want? Is it because you think you divorce yourself from responsibility because you don't get pregnant? Sorry but until men start the equality ball rolling by legislating their body parts, you will not get me to ever say "go ahead Johnny, sew your wild oats!"

reply to post by dawnstar


Well that's why we have government aid. And yes, I would not care about a rape victim's demand for abortion. but I have no legal rights to say she can't.

reply to post by TheChemist1


Also...to add to my previous statements I did note an interesting study performed by an economist which correlates abortion to lower crime rates. Here you go people, maybe this should get its own thread...

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by SevenBeans

umm...ya, but when you have a crew of doctors saying that there is a good chance of a bad outcome, and it is ignored, well, then kind of tells me that it doesn't matter how dangerous it might be, they will decide in favor of the baby!!

reply to post by Gorman91

here in the us, the gov't aide does not help all who need it......

reply to post by Gorman91


The choice to have sex is not the choice to bare child. Two separate issues. How many kids do you have and how many times have you had sex ? I have two kids, god forbid that I only had sex twice !!! I'd of shot myself ! Of wait.....that would be post natal abortion I guess heuh ???? LOL

reply to post by geekyone


Let me clarify. Generally speaking, if its not a health issue, someone gets an abortion because they can't handle it? Because they are not ready?

So let me rephrase, more "unwilling mothers"

Originally posted by kevinunknown

Originally posted by romanmel

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by romanmel

 

Since you ask, I have spent time in jail more than once for entering an abortuary to stop murder.

edit on 24-2-2011 by romanmel because: (no reason given)

Then i commend and admire you for it.

There are allot of posts on this thread, I cannot give a direct response to everyone.

I understand.

My reason for this question was to encourage you to personalize the loss of a baby's life. At one time I was not an activist and attended pro-life meetings, gave money, spoke out etc. But, it never once saved a life. Saving baby's lives and their mother's regrets is what pro-life is about. May you accopmplish much in your life and make a difference in others.

Originally posted by DaWhiz
reply to post by Freenrgy2

 

But that in and of itself is one of the major problems in its entirety - why is it more important for you not to control yourself? Why do you feel you need to have all the sex you want? Is it because you think you divorce yourself from responsibility because you don't get pregnant? Sorry but until men start the equality ball rolling by legislating their body parts, you will not get me to ever say "go ahead Johnny, sew your wild oats!"

Oh, I agree with you. However, to be realistic, the majority of abortions are a result of our inate desire to have sex. And, unfotunately in these case, these unwanted children are "put down" as a result of acting on those desires and not taking into consideration the fact that a child may be conceived because of said actions.

As much as we would like to believe that we could excercise self-control, there are many in our society that simply choose not to.

I said what I did because in those situations, that's really what those people wanted to do: have sex. They weren't planning on bringing a child into the world. We'd like to think that they would excercise self-control but you and I know that they probably won't. So, they would remain medically sterilized.

reply to post by dawnstar


The failure of government gives no right to the taking of life.

reply to post by Fox Molder


ha! The choice of have sex has the risk of a child. You cannot deny that. It's its biological function. Redefining much? That is why we have protection. Your choice is there.

reply to post by Gorman91

technically, you have no legal right to say the whore down the street doesn't have the right to abort....
seems to me that most will agree that it would be proper to put some kind of restriction on abortion, most not all, for some even the mother's life isn't good enough....
but okay, so who do we restrict, on what basis?
that's where the whole thing falls apart.
to me, yes, if someone is the primary caretaker of her children, and the pregnancy is known to cause an adverse effect on her ability to do this (like being able to see, or being able to walk)...well, ya, sorry she qualifies....
rape victims, I really don't care about them, if they cannot look at the baby a it's own person without connecting it to their abuser, there is always adoption.
it is much harder to find someone to volunteer to come in and care for you children for six or so months till you deliver and can go back to taking care of things yourself. or well, longer in the case of the blind lady....

and I will state again, the gov't programs do not help everyone who needs help, and well, have been known to take kids from sick mothers and put them into foster care and completely ignore the financial strains that her illness is putting on the family!!! it's not an answer to much.

reply to post by Gorman91


your need to force other people to follow you morality standard is not an excuse for a women to ignore the needs of her LIVING CHILDREN!!!

reply to post by Freenrgy2


I concur. But I still am so sick and tired of two people having sex and one getting demonized for it!