Yikes! The Uterus Police!

Originally posted by SevenBeans

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
I believe we covered very early on that there are already laws in many states that cover the kind of neglect and even feticide

Really? Can you cite some?

I did.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
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Quite a few states, including Georgia and Ohio, already have fetal homicide (or feticide) laws on the books. Some of these might cover neglect on the part of the mother, but I'm not sure.

In the case of Ohio it says, 'The law applies to a person, which includes an "unborn member of the species Homo sapiens, who is or was carried in the womb of another."' That doesn't sound like it would include the mother? In the case of Georgia, there are actually three statutes already. A summary of this information can be found here www.ncsl.org...

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
In the case of Ohio it says, 'The law applies to a person, which includes an "unborn member of the species Homo sapiens, who is or was carried in the womb of another."'

"carried in the womb of another..."

In other words it doesn't apply to the Mother.

That's exactly my point.

Do you think it should be illegal for a pregnant woman to get drunk every day?

reply to post by daryllyn

I'm glad it worked out for you with one twin. had the opposite experience. I'm sure each case is different. In this case doctors said she was "at risk of hemorrhaging or developing a life threatening infection," so we have to assume they were correct.

reply to post by SevenBeans

I know what I said. I covered it. Why are you repeating it?

reply to post by ~Lucidity


I'm gonna look around to see if I can find another source, because I find it odd that the neither the name of the hospital nor the name of the town was given.

I know that Catholic Hospitals refuse to preform abortions, I also know that there is huge push to force them to do so, and without any information, I question whether it actually happened.

reply to post by searching4truth

The full report is h ere..

reply to post by ~Lucidity


You're a peach

I was reading through it, I think it was linked from the letter. Here's my issue though, and I realize I may sound a little like a super Bible thumping conservative (which isn't my nature ) A group, who I can only describe as liberal (even though I don't have issues with liberals or conservatives) has really taken aim at Catholic hospitals for their refusal to perform abortions. The performance of an abortion is different than helping a woman after she has miscarried and the fetus is dead.

In the case of this woman, one of the twins died and the other still had a heartbeat, although was considered to not be able to survive and a second miscarriage was soon to follow. In their case, they could have admitted her for observation and waited for the second miscarriage, if it truly was guaranteed. Since she was in the hospital they would have been able to monitor her in case of complications, and they would have been handled accordingly and in an effort to save the mother (her life comes first, even at Catholic hospitals).

She had to agree to be transported 80 miles away for the treatment she sought, and removing a child with a still beating heart is considered an abortion, that child is not dead.

Not to stray, but it reminds me of one of my cousins. She went to have a tumor tested, and being as it seemed to be isolated the doctor opted to just cut the thing out and test it after removal. Imagine her surprise when the doctor called to tell her that it was not cancer (thank God) but her twin, it has bits of a nervous system, hair, and some teeth (or elements of teeth, I can't remember specifically right now). Anyway, she at one point had a twin and while in the womb the twin died and she gobbled it up, incorporating it into her own body.

I don't know that the second twin would have absolutely died, and neither to the doctors, until it happens. Our bodies and our fetus's are capable of some amazing things that we just do not understand.

reply to post by searching4truth

Thanks for saying all that, and I agree with most of it. But I'm not as hung up on whether they're exaggerating their cases because of their political bias or not, and neither am I vouching for their integrity or veracity. I'm just coming at it from the angle that it's a very real possibility that, if it's not happening already, it very well could if certain factions get their way. Oh, and yes. Doctors are not infallible either. But their also being second-guessed more and more often by administrators, for many reason other than this. But today we have pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions based on their own religious beliefs, so this isn't so unimaginable. Not a good trend.

Franklin is in more dire need of a blow job than any other white man in history. I wonder if he could be charged with reckless abandonment of 180 million potential children?

reply to post by searching4truth

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Here's a story.

A family member had recently found out she was pregnant with her fourth child. She started to bleed and went to her doctor. They did an ultrasound and said that the pregnancy was not viable. The baby had a faint heartbeat but the placenta had pulled away. She was instructed to go home and wait for the miscarriage to finish. She went to her follow up appointment and her and her doctor were shocked by the image on the ultrasound. The baby was right on track with a strong heartbeat. The placenta had reattached in a different location. The baby was fine

She gave birth to little girl that was completely healthy. Her OB shakes his head every time he sees her because he cannot believe that she is here.

Just because they say you will definitely miscarry, doesn't mean you will.

reply to post by daryllyn

Absolutely agreed. People beat the odds every day. The chances they gave me were almost comedic, looking back. "Never make it past first trimester...." Did. Then, "Never make it through second..." Did. Then, never carry to term...." Did. But in their defense, that was after three miscarriages. Even the best doctors can only go by their own experiences too. Always follow your gut, I say. No pun intended here.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Reminds me of my bumper sticker: "Jesus loves you - everyone else thinks you're an a...hole". Wish these types of zealots would go back to minding their own business in church. Wish they would quit trying to circumvent the Constitution ("make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,") in order to institute their religious beliefs.

Nuts. I thought this country was founded on the principle of religious freedom... now some are trying to use ONE verse in THEIR Bible to make law for the rest of us. Abortion is not mentioned in the Bible. It is, though, a cheap and easy way politicians can gain support from otherwise uninterested citizens.

reply to post by daryllyn


That is amazing!!!!!!!!!! What a wonderful story It just go to show you that anything is possible, and we (and by we I mean doctors) don't know everything. I'm sure there are many stories like that. The first time I was pregnant I was reading all sorts of things, looking for an instruction book on how to have the prefect pregnancy delivery a perfect child it doesn't exist. First, information is pretty much always changing and second everything tells you every pregnancy is different and who knows just follow these simply guidelines. Some women seem to do everything wrong and have perfectly healthy children, some women do everything right and miscarry it's a mystery.

reply to post by searching4truth

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Its very sad that someone can do drugs and deliver a living baby (even though the baby will almost inevitably have problems) and someone who does everything by the book can end up having a stillborn baby.

But life isn't fair. And we don't know it all. Maybe someday there will be a scientific breakthrough that will answer (and provide solutions) some of these questions.

Just
And some of the replies are just
But it doesn't surprise me in the least. NWO is off schedule and not enough blood in the streets so now this jack wagon has to stick it to the woman in order to get you mad and on the streets protesting so they can shoot you with water cannons.
This is all part and parcel of the NWO depopulation drive ladies and gents. Now we come to the part you will all hate: Men to the left, women to the right. Men the new tax is population tax. No kids, only $100 for housing the woman. You will live here and you will live there. No more cohabitation since neither of you can tell the truth on how the pregnancy happened and who made a miscarriage happen. Oh and don't worry, you won't go to jail as long as you did nothing wrong.
HA!
The population would go down by millions a year once they have determined that a woman can not govern her own body. Next it will be if she can't make decisions on her body then she can not possibly vote because she's too stupid to govern her own body. Won't need a job either! Come to think of it, maybe cool to be a mindless fetus carrier. LOL
Oh and guys, here's the irony: You won't have anyone to ever accuse you of rape or force you to care for a child again.
Good plan! ::end scarcasm::

Originally posted by SevenBeans

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
In the case of Ohio it says, 'The law applies to a person, which includes an "unborn member of the species Homo sapiens, who is or was carried in the womb of another."'

"carried in the womb of another..."

In other words it doesn't apply to the Mother.

That's exactly my point.

Do you think it should be illegal for a pregnant woman to get drunk every day?

did you know that the damage a man does to himself can be transfered to the fetus in a woman who didn't?

Are you going to jail him?

Have a miscarriage at home at 8 weeks, you should scoop the contents out of the toilet bowl for the next 48 hours and carefully put it into a bucket for transport to a hospital pathology lab. You know, to prove you aren't a criminal.

reply to post by Aeons

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In some cases it can go on for weeks.

When I lost a twin I bled for about 6 weeks straight. Even after that, I bled sporadically.

So the amount of time they would need to carry around a collection bucket might be just a bit longer than 48hours. Now its even more practical than before.

So, some people have managed to avoid for pages the point I made.

If a couple continues to get pregnant after multiple miscarriages, they continue to kill fetuses in full knowledge of their issue. One is sad. Twice is tragic. But people who continue to get pregnant KNOWING full well that they risk killing a fetus or many fetuses over and over ..... how do you negate their negligence, but prosecute a woman who smokes but has 4 healthy children?

Hm?

[color=plum]Moments ago I was sweeping the kitchen floor and very relevant question hit me. So I finished sweeping and made a mad dash for my laptop

What about people that pay thousands of dollars for Assisted Reproductive Technologies only have a pregnancy fail? Some places charge 20,000 from start to finish.

Does this to apply to them as well?