Libya warplanes bombing Tripoli: resident

Good luck dating the bombing footage could be the US bombing of Libya after the 1988 Lockerbie attack on Pan Am 103.

Might even be *older* Canadian footage.

Tobruk, the war-torn city of World War II was the first close up view the second group got of Libya. Bombed out structures were still in evidence as they docked at Tobruk harbour early on the morning of 20 November 68. The city has been rebuilt around these shattered buildings leaving them to destruction by the elements -wind, rain and sand.

www.theroyalcanadianregiment.ca...

Originally posted by LoverBoy
reply to post by WinnieDaWho

 

I hear that....we don't care too much for 3rd world countries like yours either...

I think he/she is just a troublemaker/troll. I have seen it one too many times in real. The backstabbin folks living right amongst us that cheer while there is a crisis and they would love to see the US get blamed (Just like folks in the streets of NJ/NY and MI were cheering when the twin towers were attacked on 9/11). People from other countries basically attempt to pour more fuel onto the fire in the hopes to stir somethings. I say let the people of ME help their own countries. Let the dust settle down and if we feel we have the $$$ and time to waste on cleanup or help then we should otherwise we should sit back and fix our own economic problems first within the US.

I’ve being fallowing this sense Sunday and did a threat to submit updates
www.abovetopsecret.com...

There’s the link for the live stream from Syria (transmitting live now cold be offline at any moment due to the broadband issues)

www.livestream.com...

Most of the events in Libya took more than 24 hours to reach the mainstream media.

Originally posted by stealthsurfer
Looks like Anon are even getting involved in this...A message of solidarity from Anonymous
They appear to be asking the UN to step in and help Libya.

Interesting who could it be. Could it be neighbors of Libya or enemies of US attempting to get us into more mess?

The closest nation capable of helping Libyans are the Italians, which perhaps the sex crazed PM Berlusconi may be attempting to do with the huge profits he may hoped to gain from it.

Best he not touch it or he will most certainly get a ribbing from both the Libyans and the Italians suffering in Italy too.

As I mentioned before, Democracy and freedom are not free and cannot be bestowed upon by others. It MUST come from the people whom are willing to pay the ultimate price so that they and their next generations be free. It is painful, and hurtful, but the only way, or democracy and freedom will only be taken for granted by the many ideologies a country often possess.

I have the fullest confidence that they can do it, as the Tunisians and Egyptians had shown.

The masses are many, even the Libyan authorities whom are citizens with families too, BUT the regime is only a handful even with mercenaries. They don't have enough bullets to kill all before being wiped out and torn to pieces. It can and must be done if they want democracy and freedom badly enough.

We on the outside will do whatever we can to get the UN security to move resolutions and even offer donations, prayers or protests against our own gov doing biz with the Libyan despots, but the final mile must be walked by the Libyans alone, with our fullest support, encouragement and hopes...

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Hard to get your house in order with the United State's foot on your neck.

Originally posted by Smokersroom

Originally posted by Vampiri
reply to post by Smokersroom

 

Right. I never said mainstream. Al Jazeera, France 24, Russia Today, Fars etc. are covering it. Not just your tainted MSM.

No you only said All media outlets... i am asssuming the msm must be a part of "all".

YOU said MSM because YOU wanted to discredit what I said by misrepresenting it.

And I refer you to my above post. This thread is full of evidence, but I guess your understanding of evidence might be wrong.

So when using the word "all" in your statement:

News story carried by all media outlets and wires.

What you actually meant was "news stories carried by all media outlets and wires except the msm"?

I'm not trying to discredit you (believe it or not, don't really care) at least i do not have that in mind when posting, how you interpret what i say is beyond my control.

However just because all media outlets and wires report on the words of one guy does not make thous words any more or less credible.
Pictures of dead bodies are just that.
A picture of a military aircraft on ground is just that

"Many Civilians on the ground reporting fire from jets and helicopters."
We have the words of one resident reporting this to Al-jazeera.

"News story carried by all media outlets and wires."
We have all media outlets and wires copying this one report.

"Photos of many dead suffering from significant blast trauma."
How do we know where and when these photos were taken? Al-jazeera used some of them in their footage but did not say that they were the victims of military plane bombings.

"Two pilots defect to Malta - jets on the tarmac still."
Two pilots amongst scores of the Libyan military defecting and joining the protesters all across Libya. Where else would the jets be considering they just landed. Also are there no other jets in the world currently on a tar-mac?

"Pilots say they were ordered to fire on protesters."
I say that i am really a Ogre from eons past, does that make it true?

"Reports that 150 soldiers were burned alive in their barracks for refusing to fire on protectors in Benghazi."
Again, word of mouth.

"Ghaddafi says they will fight protesters to 'the last bullet'. "
If only everything in the world that was ever spoken was taken literally, things would be a bit different around here.

Again i will say that personally i think it is true, for myself the only evidence i needed was the fact that killing ones people is not uncommon for a dictator and what i originally posted in my first comment on this thread but for a great many others they will need much more evidence then this and i fully understand why.

Originally posted by stephinrazin
reply to post by hp1229

 

Hard to get your house in order with the United State's foot on your neck.

Care to elaborate? Do you think the US has something to do with the Libyan crisis?

WTF ??? just came across this when I was looking for more news about Libya I think this threat is the right place to put it.
Is Iran taking advantage from Libya I think is safe now to say civil war to attack Israel ?
www.romandie.com...

google translated:
WARNING - The Iranian warships in the Mediterranean are

CAIRO - Two Iranian warships entered Tuesday afternoon in the waters of the Mediterranean after taking the Suez Canal, it was learned from the Canal Authority.

(© AFP / February 22, 2011 16:15)

reply to post by stephinrazin


Then go move to Libya.

Originally posted by purplemer

Originally posted by pandapowerjamie
reply to post by thewesticle

 

How do you mean? As in they won't revolt or they will go on the serious offensive?

it woud be good if nato were used for things like this instead of all the warmongering..

kx

You ARE kidding, right?

How is NATO prosecuting a war in Libya any different from NATO prosecuting a war against the Taliban?

War is war. If you don't want me to take the bad guys out in one place, I'm disinclined to take them out in any other place.

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

Because war is war.

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My point is that it is impossible for the Middle Eastern nations to develop, or move forward politically for specific reasons. One being US and Western interests. Authoritarianism throughout the region is funded, armed, and supported by the Western powers. Our oil and military industries profit greatly from nations where the people are given nothing for their labor or resources. This economic system is enabled, and often designed in the highest levels of the US government. The idea that those people should "get their act together" is based on the assumption that it is somehow their fault for their circumstances. It is in part, but to ignore the role the West plays is negligent. If the US fifth fleet was not based in Bahrain do you think that monarchy would still exist? What about the Saudis? Do you think Libya would still have Ghadafi without Italian money, or Western arms? Same goes for Yemen, Kuwait, Jordan, and a host of other nations. It is troubling to me how many Americans make the case that it is their problem. It is, but our government is a large part of the cause.

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Amen, let them kill off each other. I wont lose any sleep over it.

Gaddafi is still making a speech on State TV, he’s been rambling on about all sorts of bollocks for aeons it seems.

William Hague has just announced that Britain is sending a charter flight to Libya to evacuate British nationals. The frigate HMS Cumberland will be redeployed to international waters near Libya should it be required. He also said that Britain is sending “specialised foreign office personnel trained in crisis response” to Libya.

There are some pretty interesting twitter updates about all this here...Anony_Ops

Including this update...Italian navy monitoring Libyan naval vessel stalled in waters just off the coast of Malta..posted 1 hr ago.

Originally posted by stephinrazin
reply to post by hp1229

 

My point is that it is impossible for the Middle Eastern nations to develop, or move forward politically for specific reasons. One being US and Western interests. Authoritarianism throughout the region is funded, armed, and supported by the Western powers. Our oil and military industries profit greatly from nations where the people are given nothing for their labor or resources. This economic system is enabled, and often designed in the highest levels of the US government. The idea that those people should "get their act together" is based on the assumption that it is somehow their fault for their circumstances. It is in part, but to ignore the role the West plays is negligent. If the US fifth fleet was not based in Bahrain do you think that monarchy would still exist? What about the Saudis? Do you think Libya would still have Ghadafi without Italian money, or Western arms? Same goes for Yemen, Kuwait, Jordan, and a host of other nations. It is troubling to me how many Americans make the case that it is their problem. It is, but our government is a large part of the cause.

Why am I thinking of the book 'The Great Chess Game' ?

Without a dought , before i defected in one of those warplanes i would of seriously tried to drop all ordinence i had right up gadafiis a#@^^!!!!!!!!!!!, and or take out all military that were following orders to kill inocent civilians. I would have no problem doing same here if the SHTF.

Originally posted by gunner50cal
Without a dought , before i defected in one of those warplanes i would of seriously tried to drop all ordinence i had right up gadafiis a#@^^!!!!!!!!!!!, and or take out all military that were following orders to kill inocent civilians. I would have no problem doing same here if the SHTF.

Sounds about right. Seems like those fighter pilots are the only people to side with as doing anything commendable, judging by the scarcity of information available.

Originally posted by Brainiac
keep the U.S. out of it. We don't need any of it.

It's up to the U.N. let's see what they do, ah nothing as usual... Oh Well, that's life...

Not the UN's problem, either. it's not their charter. The purpose of the UN is to mediate disputes between nations, not meddle in affair entirely contained within a nation.

And you're right, the US don't need any of it, either. we've heard enough of folks squealing "baby killers" at us.

Let some of those squealers try THEIR hand at it!

Originally posted by amcdermott20

Originally posted by gunner50cal
Without a dought , before i defected in one of those warplanes i would of seriously tried to drop all ordinence i had right up gadafiis a#@^^!!!!!!!!!!!, and or take out all military that were following orders to kill inocent civilians. I would have no problem doing same here if the SHTF.

Sounds about right. Seems like those fighter pilots are the only people to side with as doing anything commendable, judging by the scarcity of information available.

I've heard some reports that some of the military and police have removed their uniforms and joined the protesters.

They left their uniforms behind, but took their guns with them.