what happened to the old fashined 50s way of life?

According to family members and elder friends o mine none of this oppression stuff existed in any greater numbers than it does now.

My grandmother divorced twice, worked a high profile high paying job, and never experienced any of this anti-Rockwell 50's hyperbole of the beaten barefoot and pregnant wife afraid to speak lest she face public scorn.

There are assholes and doormats in every decade.

All of this nonsense aside a stronger dollar and a complete family unit with at least one adult for a child to return home to or even one adult not working sontime can be devoted to the childs education and experiences are not bad things.

Gotta love the myth of "social liberation" though. Why does anyone need a "movement" to stop being a doormat or to go find the relationship they want? These movements are more a testiment to how cowardly the individual is than to how powerful the mass is. Nothing more than adult peer pressure. Acting a way because of it, any way with it or against it, is allowing it to control your life.


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If you want to know what happened to the fifties style America read History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job The article details how the Council on Economic Development, formed after WWII, intentionally ripped apart the fabric of American Society so they would have abundant cheap labor for their factories.

Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. Must say I agree with most of what was said. I grew up in a small farming town in Kentucky in the 50,s and 60,s. When I think back on it the major difference that stands out is how much more polite people were then.

What a shame such a simple thing got lost at a time when it is needed most.

Sure there were a lot of problems that occurred in the 50s, spousal abuse had to be quite prevalent, but I highly doubt anyone is talking about returning to such socially backwards ideas as regarding your wife as merely a tool to be used and abused. People today generally have more common sense and regard women as their equals, I know I do. Women are no better or worse than a man, IMO. I believe in the ‘separate but equal’ ideas.

I agree with Alysha 100%, families are crumbling, excessive stress is placed on mothers, high expectations both physically and emotionally are placed upon women, these things have spun out of control and all stem from the feminist movement. I recognize the fact that women wanted to be appreciated and treated as higher up than some floor cleaning, diaper changing, inferior to men. I get that idea completely, feminist movement happened for a reason.

However what went from a movement for respecting women turned into a movement that now thinks women must carry the heavier load, an unachievable expectation has been placed upon women that I think is unfair. There have been no extra burdens placed upon men and fathers, in fact many men today are completely useless and would prefer their wife to cook, clean, raise children, go to work, take care of them, all the while they lay up. And do not ever say this is not prevalent because it definitely is, and is downright sickening.

Women and men have inherited requirements that must be met, and to back down or ignore them is simply irresponsible. Women, you cannot expect to have the world handed to you on a platter, and I know many do not expect such a thing, but there are so many women who do. And men, you cannot expect to have the world handed to you on a platter either, and once again I know many do not expect such a thing, but many men do.

The men have to step up and fulfill their obligations. Today it is too much about fun and freedom not responsibility and dedication. It is a lot more fun to most to date 20 women in any given year than to give someone you love a ring and ask them to be with you forever, and mean it. Too many people expect something out of the other person when they enter into a relationship, instead of entering a relationship because you genuinely love a person you may just be trying to fill a hole in your life, that is not what marriage is for.

I have seen so many mothers working hard and have absolutely no time for their children who must either resort to raising themselves or being raised by the school. These kids never had the luxury of having a parent there with them and so they have lost the sense of how to be a parent themselves. It is a hell of a lot easier to go buy your kid an Xbox than it is to go camping for the weekend, go on a fishing trip, or just spending a good hour at the dinner table getting to know your kids and your spouse.

I will admit growing up all I really ever wanted when I was young was to have my mom at home and she told me all she ever wanted was to be at home to watch her kids grow up, but like so many today she had to work. Personally I think it is abuse to both caring mothers and children to have mothers working so much that they are deprived of raising their children and watching them grow.

That is why I would never want to marry someone who wanted a career other than having the opportunity to raise her kids. Not because I want to be some control freak, not because I need someone to cook and clean for me, no it has nothing to do with that, I can do that myself. It is because it keeps a marriage strong, kids healthy and nurtured, and requires me to work harder and strive for the best I can be to do what is necessary for my family.

So many people like to condemn the housewife idea as outdated and damaging to women’s rights, some even state having kids is a threat to women’s rights. That is just absolute rubbish and I have grown most tired of hearing about it. What is damaging to women's rights is forcing them to miss their kids growing up and the growing epidemic of single mothers because of deadbeat fathers.

Sorry to all you feminist radicals, but I am tired of your crap, go flap your mouth somewhere else because I do not care what you say in the least. Your opinion is completely irrelevant to me.

I met my wife in the Army - she was an Engineer Officer. When we got married we were both working like 14 hours days as young officers in the Army. When she got pregnant we decided to take the economic hit and she would stay home.

That was 14 years ago and it has been great - sure would it be nice to have a 200k a year income but what would we do with it if we both worked 14-15 hours days?

You can see the difference in our kids confidence and intellect from the latchkey kids at school. She was always able to be the room Mom; the girl scout leader the chaperone for trips and stuff like that and it was great being involved in the schools and activities like that.

We were blessed of course to be able to do things this way but I have to say a lot of people could do the same with a few simple modifications to their lifestyle and the benefits for the kids and the stability of the family far outweigh having the newest cars and gadgets...

We just stopped buying new cars every 2 years; keeping them till the wheels fall off then paying cash for another 2 year old used car someone dumped. I would never buy a brand new car again - you are upside down the minute you buy it. We ate in more often and cut down on weekend getaways. Of course not having to have a professional wardrobe helped as well. But food in bulk and on sale etc.

Now that I am retired we live on 55% of what I was making on Active Duty and having saved to pay cash for the farm and having no car payments we live fairly comfortably. We both sub now about 2-3 days a week so we don't kill each other being home all the time and for some mad money. They pay 100.00 a day for subs. Someone is always home for the daughter and the farm - works out wonderfully.

She had planned on going back to work when our daughter started HS but since we bought a farm she is content to work at that as am I.

However, some of our new local friends have asked me if I thought about running for Sherriff in 2012. I don't know if I want to but having talked to the current sherriff, who is retireing this year I am considering the position - I could always hire a hand to help out around the farm.

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The 60's happened, and that was just another nail in the coffin.


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The 50s way of life was basically a lie. How many June Cleavers do you think really exist?

We were still in an era of Role Playing. I'm not so much against people having Roles - - as long as its by choice.

Today we have mom's working and dad staying home with the kids. (as one example).

The only real problem I see - - is understanding the necessity of responsible planning and decisions.

Inflation ("guns & butter" starting with vietnam); dual income familiies (wifes working outside the home);rise in globalism and multinational corporations (resulting in a loss of jobs at home to cheap overseas labor); rise of the military industrial state (corrupting politicians and promoting war as a tool to american hegemony);advances in technology (gadgets to give us more idle leisure time often indulged by use of same technology at the expense of family and other relationships); succesful campaigns by atheistic organizations (aclu) to divorce religion from american life (especially christianity in the form of the 10 commandments, school prayer, etc) in the name of "separation of church and state"; rise of the welfare state coupled with a rise of a drug culture (related to hip hop culture going from the 'hood to mainstream) which served to dilute traditional american values of self determination, self reliance, etc.

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I'd go a step further and say what happened to the indians way of life?
Id love to live like they did, minus the warring tribes lol

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Exactly...

This is a profound subject, but basically the gender roles have been manipulated over time to where neither are content or living their full potential.

Listen to this man.
www.nityama.com...

When you inject gender benders and communist ideology into the populace... You get modern society.
The old fashioned 50s way of life is in hibernation. It will be back when we clean up our minds and bodies.

Originally posted by sliceNodice
When you inject gender benders and communist ideology into the populace... You get modern society.
The old fashioned 50s way of life is in hibernation. It will be back when we clean up our minds and bodies.

I think it might - - in some form. Not because of the reasons you give.

But this time people will choose to live roles - - rather then have society dictate them.

I suppose I would be perceived as one of these "radical" types of females.

However, it has little to do with "Feminism" - I am just very eccentric. Of course I do need the Feminism to enable my weirdness

That makes it easier for sure.

It is, and has always been, my wish - to live an unusual life.

I did not want to be a "house wife". I was not interested in that. Nor, have I ever really had any (stereotypical) "traditional" lifestyle - as my relatives are all very eccentric also.

I have alot of education, 10+ years, in the sciences. That alone marks you as weird - male or female

So?

I always thought that here in the US there was the concept of "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

So why can't I do what I want? What's wrong with being 'different'? I am not hurting anyone.

Also - because I am Uber Liberal - I believe people SHOULD live as they want and if one WANTS a "traditional" lifestyle - they SHOULD be able to do that and have that! If it makes *them* happy - that is great!

No one should push any sort of life onto others.

It seems to me that alot of men *do want* a "traditional" wife. Which is OK, they can go get one, but you shouldn't try to force others to be what you want, or get angry just because a female does not fit *your* ideal.
Same goes for "traditional minded" females - us non traditional females aren't out to get you. I'm not, anyway

We should try to accept people as individuals. Even June Cleaver wasn't June Cleaver LOL.

Speaking of weird - here's a thing I'd LOVE to see "go down" in an argument - I, female, am going to have to become "more butch", exercise more / do more weightlifting -> because I am getting Arthritis.

Argue the Arthritis out of me and I'll give you a BIG KISS!!!!

(I am WAY too young for this also! But it is hereditary, and I have been injured alot and have taken drugs/medicines which can precipitate and exacerbate Arthritis.)

Brings to mind something else to ponder - most accidents happen in the home. "House work" is actually quite physically demanding and often dangerous. I myself have nearly been killed by a treacherous vacuum cleaner. It is possessed by SATAN! So, I am too clumsy to hack serious domestic work, personally. Not a good occupational choice for me. Or, the vacuum needs an exorcism

My hope is that everyone can try to have an open mind toward all, and accept individuality

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Ah, the myth of the 1950's! When everyone was a moral, God-fearing, patriot who knew his/her caste in life. Guess what? It didn't exist! Go visit the elderly in nursing homes (they would like it) and talk to them about these "good old days."

It always seems that people disillusioned by the realities of life are prone to thinking that our current era is only an anomaly in the human condition and that other eras were more moral or just. The 1950's was the first decade to be stereotyped en masse by the rise of the family sit-com, so that should be a clue to you, if you realize that television does not paint an accurate portrait of reality, that the 1950's may have been different than what the media portrayed. The media was playing up to an ideal that never matched the reality of day to day life in that era.

There was a lot of sexual immorality in the 1950's, a lot of cheating spouses, swingers' parties, spousal abuse, alcoholism, racism, pornography, child abuse and pretty much every other negative activity that can be associated with humanity since the dawn of man.

The stories my grandmother has told me about the middle class lifestyle of the 1950's would make you blush.

Just would like to add. It would seem to me that in and around the time of JFK, things were about to take off down the right path. That obviously did not happen and here we have war after war after shocking event in the media after alerts and so much media generated terror that common person will be...Terrified.

I believe we are living in probably some of the best times of at least the past two thousand years. We have a chance as free people now empowered by technology to share ideas to make a real difference. We are at a fork in the road, we can either let go of old ways or kill ourselves off for our greedy wicked ways.

The old guard knows what is happening here. The old guard stands to lose everything they have ownership and power over. The meak could potentially inherit guardianship of the earth here...See, we here are the old guard, but, I like to think many of us here are open to real change and advancement.

There is a point when civilizations grow paranoid, corrupt and morally bankrupt. For us, that's pretty much now sadly, but, it doesn't have to be that way AND...It can be obtained peacefully. I am excited about the future, I want it to hit a low if that's what has to happen to wake people up to REAL CHANGE.

now a days women are expected to go out and work and still raise the family and do everything else as well

NO NO NO NO.


Women WANTED to go out and work...women WANTED to be "equals" to men....no one forced this upon women...in fact there was a lot of push back from men.


And now...since women WANTED this, society has evolved to where it is NEEDED. It is no hard for a family to survive on one income...because with two incomes....corporations knew they could charge more for things.

Don't try to pass this off as the poor women are EXPECTED to go out and work...this is what they WANTED.


Be careful what you wish for.

The 1950s was great for a lot of people, a very naive time.. but for others it was not so great, there were a lot of stupid things going on at the same time... racial prejudice was at a high, marijuana was gaining it's false reputation and people were generally stupid.. not to mention what you eluded to quite directly .. women had no power at all ..

While I'd LOVE to have a time machine and spend a few days back in the 50s for all the great things there were, I would never want to put us back there.. we have moved on, we're still learning.. and unfortunately alot of the stupidity that was born then is still here today.. I do love the cheesey sci fi of the era though.. and if we could collect all the grease/oil from the hairstyles we might be able to power our cars for another hundred years.

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Women WANTED to go out and work...women WANTED to be "equals" to men....no one forced this upon women...in fact there was a lot of push back from men.

What women actually wanted was Equal Rights and Choice.

Not there yet -- but getting there.

What men want - has nothing to do with it.

People have bought your words difinations and re altered them, If I buy all the dictoray companies and paper recycling and own all the rights to the words I can realter them for greed power lust, and then you end up with ignorant people born into using my "concepts" my way. Hello generation X how are you today?

Noticed I own the paper recying why? so when people got rid of the older dictoraries and books I would make them disappear, here's a new dictonary it's free, log onto my web site also has free use ot the words and definations. Welcome generation X to conspircy 'X"

Lets see you all believe, have no idea what trust is and you all can create, there's your truth!
If I manipulate the thinking thought and thought process, I progress a habit, a condition and predictablty
What makes the 50"s era "attractive" there also good movies made in the late 30's and 40's as well that went into TV in the 50's People from these era's made the 50's era.

It's the romantic side, the simpler side hummanity humility, love, passion ,desire self control
What do you really know about "ignorance" Generation X?

Que: WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE (Billy Joel)
so what happened to the '50s way of life???

It was just another illusion engineered by society...all the intrigue, disinfo, and conspiracies were there and have continued on...only thing that has changed is the illusion, due to technical advances, much more is accessible.

What happened to the "Happy Days" and "Leave it to Beaver" family scenarios?
Very few of us lived that kind of life...and believe me, if those TV shows were real families, you would have never known about Joanie getting pregnant by Chachi or The Beav smoking a cigarette and drinking beer on a street corner. That was part of the concept of Nuclear Family....Privacy...go to church on Sunday and sweep the crap under the rug, smile and make nice...but never tell what went on at home to anyone.

Might sound like I am "down" on the 50's, but I'm not, not really..."they were the best of times and they were the worst of times"....they were the times a lot of us grew up in, but as time goes by...what was hidden, changes and becomes more main stream...all is connected and what the 50's gave us, is what paved the road to what we are experiencing today, and what will come tomorrow.

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