The more I read more I become skeptic

reply to post by ellieN


People like eligael on yt have ruined yt i agree

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by TheSparrowSings
Sorry to derail the post, but I was just wondering if you have ever seen the video with the round sphere's creating the crop circles?

Gonna have to blow you out of the water with a phaser cannon...

Olivers Castle Crop Circle Hoax

Come on Zorgon. Just because something has been hoaxed does not mean that it has never happened. However, the fact is that the evidence of any paranormal or UFO involvement in crop circles just isn't that strong. There is some evidence though but I'm in a hurry so you're going to have to study this one yourself Sparrow.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by blackcube
astral projection (BS),

Just because you can't do it doesn't make it BS. I suspect you were a skeptic before you started

Ever heard of the closely related remote viewing phenomenon? The US have studied this in a number of projects (e.g. Project Stargate) and it appears to work for well for certain gifted individuals. See also Remote Viewing and the US Intelligence Community. From what I can make out, you really need to do your homework. You could say it was all to scare the Soviets into thinking we had more than we did but how likely is that?



OP, this is a debunker site. Not everyone on here is, but you need to do your own homework and not take members word for it that something, 'has been proven to be bunk,' or whatever.

reply to post by Unknown Soldier

I haven't seen that, great vid post. I love the part where he gives the ATS forum sole credit for the debunk. At least the guy came clean and apologized, much more than most hoaxers would do.

Back to topic...It's been mixed for me and kind of depends on interpretation of a UFO. I think there's UFO's but I think 99% of the ones seen are ours or hoaxes, also think there's ET life that's been here. Some of the best info on ATS is what's not said and the questions that can't be answered.
Astrology has done more to open my mind to ET's than ufology. When I see the trillions of galaxies that have trillions of planets. I have no doubt there's life and the possibility of intelligent life millions or billions of years past our technology, is a very possible reality and when you think of the tech we have now and what it could evolve into with millions of yrs of continued development,well.... I'm sure we would be able to go anywhere in the universe in some form by then. We were in horse drawn buggy's just a little over a hundred yrs ago. What could we do a million yrs from now? Although I think we'll blow are selves up by then.
ATS has had a lot of good linked resources for info, the written documentation on ET life has made me less of a skeptic than any photo or vid of a "ET" UFO. You do have to do a lot of digging and sifting thru all the bs.

reply to post by blackcube


That is good. The disinformation has done it's job well.

You can now forget all about UFO's, obviously there is nothing to it. All the thousands of people (including military) who have seen alien craft and alien beings for the last sixty years must be lying or crazy or hallucinating. You can go back to watching Oprah and not worry about it. Everything is fine.

Now I will attempt a reply with a touch less sarcasm. (Sorry couldn't help myself)

Attempting to educate yourself on ANY subject using anonymous internet "sources" is a joke. Is this a new revelation or something?

I would suggest perhaps reading a book with documented sources. Maybe even solicit the advice on good books or other sources from someone here on ATS who seems to have a reasonable attitude and maybe even some experience with the subject matter. Or maybe even doing some investigation of your own.

But looking to anonymous internet posts for good information somehow doesn't strike me as a great plan.

I can tell you from experience that nothing beats doing your own investigation. And more often than not, even if it confirms the case in question, you will likely discover several of the facts to be different than originally presented.

It also comes in handy when the need arises to write a post.

Now as to the chaos in the field of UFO research, it is under orders to be kept that way. Certainly many greedy egocentric self aggrandizing people voluntarily aid this effort, but the job will still get done, with or without their help.

Personally I would suggest that reading Clear Intent/The UFO Cover-up by L. Fawcett - Barry Greenwood, might help clear up some of your confusion as to why small amounts of evidence are surrounded 10 fold by misinformation.
The book contains verifiable government documents... and so does - Uninvited Guests: A Documented History of Ufo Sightings, Alien Encounters and Coverups by Richard Hall.

They are a good place to start for those suffering from uneducated opinion overload.

Originally posted by A51Watcher
Now as to the chaos in the field of UFO research, it is under orders to be kept that way. Certainly many greedy egocentric self aggrandizing people voluntarily aid this effort, but the job will still get done, with or without their help.

Personally I would suggest that reading Clear Intent/The UFO Cover-up by L. Fawcett - Barry Greenwood, might help clear up some of your confusion as to why small amounts of evidence are surrounded 10 fold by misinformation.
The book contains verifiable government documents... and so does - Uninvited Guests: A Documented History of Ufo Sightings, Alien Encounters and Coverups by Richard Hall.

They are a good place to start for those suffering from uneducated opinion overload.

edit on 19-2-2011 by A51Watcher because: the usual

A51 watcher, you have just earned a respectful admirer. Good post and a star for that mate. About time we had a bit of balance on ATS.

Take A51 watcher's advice if you want the truth folks. There is a person who knows what they are talking about. Go do some real research and you will begin to understand this topic. Reading those books or similar ones will be worth a thousand visits to ATS. After reading that type of material, every visit to this site will be worth a thousand times more.

A 'sceptic' is not a disbeliever, but someone who is kind of like a questioner

here you go:

"skeptic Look up skeptic at Dictionary.com
also sceptic, 1580s, "member of an ancient Greek school that doubted the possibility of real knowledge," from Fr. sceptique, from L. scepticus, from Gk. skeptikos (pl. Skeptikoi "the Skeptics"), lit. "inquiring, reflective," the name taken by the disciples of the Greek philosopher Pyrrho (c.360-c.270 B.C.E.), from skeptesthai "to reflect, look, view" (see scope (1)). The extended sense of "one with a doubting attitude" first recorded 1610s. The sk- spelling is an early 17c. Greek revival and is preferred in U.S.

Skeptic does not mean him who doubts, but him who investigates or researches as opposed to him who asserts and thinks that he has found. [Miguel de Unamuno, "Essays and Soliloquies," 1924]"

I quite like the first definition 'doubted the possibility of real knowledge' Let us apply what this may mean to the exploration of 'UFOs' and the others. This is what real scepticism is supposed to mean. you MAY find yourself beginning to believe, but just be aware of this---watch out for defending a position because your previous belief feels threatened. We just seen to look at patterns. Science does not know what consciousness is nor what matter is so there is a LOT of scope for MYSTERy lol

Doesn't it piss you off when either you or others get this: 'do you BELIEVE in UFOs?' I mean if you actually see something is that 'belief' or is that actually seeing something--know what I mean? EVEn if they then came with 'yeah but you may have seen something, but was it a UFO?'--then you can ask them to tell you what it IS. And if they cannot it is defo UNIDENTIFIED, right? we do no have knowledge of it

I like people here tend to distrust the 'channelers'--especially if their message is divisive, and the 'reptillian aka David icke' brigade. And UFO cults can be very dangerous. As long as all that is dug then I dont see anything phony about exploring this vastly interesting subject.

Any of you see that famous 'UFO abduction' where 5 artists out in a boat in the countryside all see a UFO, and have the classic loss of time, and then via hypnotic regression remember actually going onto the craft. Now how do you view that. I personally am looking at body language. How they speak---loads of stuff like that, and I kinds trust myself to intuit whether or not they are giving an honest account.

Ever since i saw that Jerusalem UFO video with people claiming its definitely real, thats when i lost all hope.

reply to post by blackcube


Yeah it definetly looks like you are headed in the wrong directions in investigating the alien phenomena. I have always had an intuitive interest in the alien truth, but it took a large experience for me to start studying the real alien truth. I did not get abducted, but I had a shared dream with an abductee that was unexplainable, except if there were aliens of some form. Ever since then I am surprised to see the roads I walked down were the ones getting me to the right places, maybe it was because of the experience or maybe I have good intuition, but I can say the path you are going is the totally fake one, there is no truth in those areas.

reply to post by greyer

You might be interested in another of my threads. Alien Abduction/Visitation: Induction of Sleep Paralysis.

reply to post by ironsjack



Jerusalem ufo sums up this forum, theres basically nothing to talk about except hoaxes. Its good becuase poeple like the OP come here and see that. I would say ufology is dead its just kept on life support by the hoaxers and gullible young people.

reply to post by yeti101


So...

Now the skeptics and hoaxers can say "mission Accomplished"

reply to post by Turiddu


man thats more correct than 2+2=4

reply to post by zorgon


i would say truth & reality has won over fantasy & fiction. Even if its not the reality we want,

Although its interesting you blame skeptics & hoaxers for the lack of ET evidence

reply to post by Schaden

So in other words you have ALL the answers to the UFO mystery ?

Thats my point mate, there is no 'mystery'....

Every single piece of 'evidence' put forward by the ufo community can be dismissed almost instantly.

All the leading 'experts' in the field have been peddling the same re-hashed nonsense for years, always a steady stream of new believers to sell books and dvds to.

Don't get me wrong, like everyone else - I would love it to be true. Sure its very possible that an advanced civilisation could visit earth...there is just no evidence that proves they have.

Originally posted by yeti101

i would say truth & reality has won over fantasy & fiction. Even if its not the reality we want,

Although its interesting you blame skeptics & hoaxers for the lack of ET evidence

I doubt that truth & reality has won over fantasy & fiction as so many still believe it to be true. Much like those who believe in god.

It's the "we are special" attitude, like as if we are actually "important" in the grand scheme of things.

Look at it this way, in a galaxy of around 400 billion suns, a majority of which have planets orbiting, some of which are in what we would call the "Goldielocks Zone"....I find it hard to believe that we are the only human like creatures to have evolved, however, I find it extremely hard to believe that those human like beings, would have firstly been able to travel the distances involved, but also, without having to visit each planet one by one to observe close enough to determine if life exists, the means of detecting life across vast distances of space and time are still, no where near good enough due to the way gravity and other planets have effect on energy waves making any sort of signal, unlikely to pop up at all.

I am a sceptic through n through.....I enjoy these types of forums and the discussion of possibilities, but what I find is the worst thing is that many just pop by and drop a 2 liner basically saying "Yea that's aliens that is, those lizards built our spacecrafts and taught us all we know" without evidence. I bare more of a grudge with those types of people, as often they have faith, belief without evidence which as far as I'm concerned is a non-starter.

Translation of old texts also becomes a problem, as does translation of artefacts and glyphs. As in reality, it's for the most part speculation and supposition often tainted with the blinkered view of those who translate.

The human constraints of the mind which have been put in place for years through teachings based on no evidence and the use of hallucinogenic drugs through the age's has shown us 2 things, we can be closed minded and only be creative within the bounds of our knowledge and teachings, or be open minded and create art, artefacts, buildings of great wonder. The power of human's when they come together, built and achieved some of the greatest things in history....i find it sad that humans don't often get the credit they deserve for the hard work put in
Where as aliens, like god, get the credit for everything without evidence.

reply to post by jimmyx


ye well said jimmy ,everyone is quite skeptical here at ATS, which is why its such a good place to share and discuss the UFO enigma unless theres good evidence then the claims are just going to get shot down like a lead balloon .But like the famous saying goes THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE its your job to find it ,good luck .

Originally posted by shambles84
But like the famous saying goes THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE its your job to find it ,good luck .

Well if "THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE" as you say, what are we doing IN HERE looking for it?

Originally posted by zorgon
reply to post by yeti101

 

So...

Now the skeptics and hoaxers can say "mission Accomplished"

Zorgon, most sceptics interested in this subject WANT these things to be real and annoying as it is to you why should we believe if we don't believe there's proof of existance? It's unfair of you to focus your disdain towards sceptics and hoaxers in the same breath as if they are the same thing, hoaxers are scum that spoil it for the rest of us.