The more I read more I become skeptic

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I had to give you a star for that post. Thank you! I was a true believer in UFOs and I looked at the skies waiting to see something, anything. I found this website and thought for sure I would find something, anything. What I found was speculation, rumor and hoax.

I now believe that "UFOs" are nothing more than misidentified government black projects. I think the only conspiracy is that the government is willing to go along with the myth of UFOs to hide their projects. What better way to hide a secret than bury it under layer after layer of BS and all the government has to do to keep this myth going is to deny it exists! It's absolutely brilliant!

granted! lots of BS!

but from my own experience back in the 60's, i hold out to see if we can get it

right and honest.


the spread of hoaxs about this topic has goolged over the years.

but it's better than following the stock market.

Originally posted by blackcube
I usually don't create any thread but I need to write this rant.

Anyone here get this strange result that: the more you read about UFO, here at ATS, you get more and more skeptic about the whole affair?

The amount of bad/ half baked videos, reports, photos that we get everyday here make its hard to get a good and interesting stuff. It's like when I believed in religion... the more and more I did read holy books more and more I got the feeling it was BS. That's sad because the chance the holy books are correct is much much much smaller than the chances we have ET UFO visiting our planet.

But when I read articles, forum threads about channeling (BS), astral projection (BS), reptilians and other nonsense texts I get the strange urge to call all UFO field as nonsense.

The only thing the ATS forum made to me is to become more skeptic at every new thread

Am I alone in this way?

Agree 100% with you..
When I joined I was skeptical but slightly open minded, I kept reading, became a little bit more open minded, then I read stuff about people channeling and being aliens in a past life, and how their friends are aliens, Reptillians, galactic federation, space war, I became even more skeptical.

Some of the post here sometimes feel to have a very "cult like" flow to them.

I always been a show me real evidence guy, that has yet to happen.

Originally posted by blackcube

Anyone here get this strange result that: the more you read about UFO, here at ATS, you get more and more skeptic about the whole affair?

Probably a good thing...

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Are you talking about Unidentified Flying Objects, or ET? They are not necessarily the same. A lot of stuff we see is "ours", not "theirs"

I agree with most of what you said, BUT,,, and a big BUT.... while I agree that channeling, reptilian etc. seems to be too far out, I am at least OPEN to being proven wrong. I do however disagree that the "Holy Books" as you called them have a much better chance of being true than an alien life form somewhere in the universe. I think, most importantly, it is our responsibility to continue to read, learn, and see what else is out there, regardless of the disinformation. And that is exactly what most of the video's and news are nowadays.

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Well, remember that it is more important to make up your own mind than to let someone else do it.

I may be a skeptic but many of my closest friends are believers in alien visitation too. It's never come between us and makes for very interesting discussions.

Originally posted by TheSparrowSings
Sorry to derail the post, but I was just wondering if you have ever seen the video with the round sphere's creating the crop circles?

Gonna have to blow you out of the water with a phaser cannon...

Olivers Castle Crop Circle Hoax



Welcome to ATS were will be sure to shoot down your dreams...

90% of stuff is BS... you need to wade knee deep to find the gems

Originally posted by blackcube
astral projection (BS),

Just because you can't do it doesn't make it BS. I suspect you were a skeptic before you started

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sooooo true Zorgon.

and you know what?


i'm almost afraid to say i believe my eyes and gut with a dash of intellect!

i guess in that order too.

who the heck was that loser ocam anyway?

Originally posted by fooks
who the heck was that loser ocam anyway?

Uber Skeptic ... but his blade is rusty after all these years. And the phrase "The truth can be stranger than fiction" flies in the face of Ocam and his rusty blade

I prefer Clarke's Laws

Clarke's First Law:

"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."

Clarke's Second Law:

"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible."

Clarke's Third Law:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."


And my signature

"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident". - Arthur Schopenhauer

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no prob from me there.

lol, masses know crap but some know lots.

we gettin better tho!

I find reading articles on UFO Evidence.org to be much more interesting and intriguing than the sensationalist tabloid like threads you see here mist of the time; a basket collection that does more to harm the subject than the most ardent if sceptics

Its rare to find a well debated and articulate thread, and if there was a topic that needed that level of credibility, it is this

OP,
if you believe 99% of the stuff you will be disappointed.
There are some cases that are compelling and plausible, just interesting reads you just got to take it for what it is.
Those plausible cases, keep me interested. Sure I look at the nonsense but only you will be able to draw your own line between nonsense nutty to hmm interesting.
just don't get caught up in a merry go round debates. Either you believe a certain case or you don't and you won't be able to convince either side your view.

I will tell you one thing I spent 2 hrs with my camera sony cyber-shot and a Nikon Coolpix with a tripod taking pictures of the night sky, including the bright moon, and stars.
you can forget about getting that clear night time picture of a UFO from a regular joe, with a regular joe camera most people have. It just won't do justice.
I even tried to take a picture of a plane at night, forget about it.

Originally posted by LadySkadi

Originally posted by blackcube

Anyone here get this strange result that: the more you read about UFO, here at ATS, you get more and more skeptic about the whole affair?

Probably a good thing...

off topic, but I love the art in your avatar, who rendered it?

Personally, I've seen a UFO. So I can't agree. However, there are quite a few crackpot stories cropping up on ATS and I can see why you might be turning skeptical.

As far as astral projection... that's something you have to do yourself. There is no BS involved in that. It's all about your mindset.

Sometimes it feels like your trying to surf 10 foot waves of sewage and it can be overwhelming, and the theres so much sewage by the end of it, it's hard to even take the compelling and more plausiable cases seriously. People's BS gauges are way off and definitely need to be recalibrated.

I wish they would realise the harm they are doing and why UFO becomes a laughable occurance on the news.

Its almost as if their beliefs have become strong convicitons and has reached religious proportions.

Originally posted by prepared4truth
Personally, I've seen a UFO. So I can't agree. However, there are quite a few crackpot stories cropping up on ATS and I can see why you might be turning skeptical.

As far as astral projection... that's something you have to do yourself. There is no BS involved in that. It's all about your mindset.

Care to test astral projection? If you can move anywhere with free will outside your body. perhaps we could run a test to prove your theory?

Originally posted by prepared4truth
Personally, I've seen a UFO. So I can't agree. However, there are quite a few crackpot stories cropping up on ATS and I can see why you might be turning skeptical.

As far as astral projection... that's something you have to do yourself. There is no BS involved in that. It's all about your mindset.

Care to test astral projection? If you can move anywhere with free will outside your body. perhaps we could run a test to prove your theory?

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I think your problem is that you're assuming this is a good place to learn about the UFO phenomenon, which it is definitely not. This is a place to watch and discuss YouTube videos and debate endlessly. If you are at all serious about wanting to know if there is anything to all this UFO stuff, you need to read some books. There are several really good books available, written by people who spent years of their lives investigating UFO reports and interviewing witnesses. They have put a lot of thought into the subject and have exerted much effort to condense what they have learned into a few hundred pages of clear, concise exposition. No garbage. Just intelligently composed text written by knowledgeable, well-informed, serious people. Start with these:

The UFO Experience by J. Allen Hynek
Anatomy of a Phenomenon by Jacques Vallee

You will learn more in two weeks reading these than you will in two years at ATS. In the event you find yourself unable to read two entire books. Search for threads by karl12. He is worth your time.

If you are willing to read, but don't have five dollars to buy a used copy of the above books, read these for free online:

Science in Default: 22 Years of Inadequate UFO Investigations by Dr. James E. McDonald

The UFO Evidence published by the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena

Symposium on Unidentified Flying Objects, Hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, United States Congress