Holy Crud, I Found Nibiru.....

reply to post by GoldenFleece


Yes, it's all a giant conspiracy where stereologist, myself, and others try to convince you that brown dwarf doesn't exists...and we do it becauuuuuuuuse

Let's look at the facts, shall we:

1) We've found brown dwarfs before...else we wouldn't know they exist.

2) There's other ways to figure out if an object exists in space, not just visually. Measure gravity for example...

3) All gravity in the near solar system is accounted for.

4) If that brown dwarf were hiding in the cloud surrounding our solar system, it would be too far to reach us in any reasonable time. Hell, it takes objects out there 800+ years to orbit the sun once!! So anything out there won't get to us in time for those 2012 fail train prophecies.

In short, the entire 2012 Niburu prophecies are complete nonsense...and if you don't believe me, prove any of the points I posted wrong in a way that would allow for that silly planet to show up by 2012

PS: I get $1 from the government every time I try to convince fools the planet doen't exist

Originally posted by GodIsPissed
Why would we have to tell a mod?They see all.

But it's okay for you to insult and mock people because it's chickencluckerspud or whatever your name is.

And goading us into telling a mod is childish.

Yep,and then crappy threads like this make the front page to hide the real threads.Who flags this crap?

Stop posting and it will be one last post to respond to, thus the thread will dwindle. Lead by example right out the door. Otherwise your not helping your cause.

reply to post by GoldenFleece

I've noticed this with other Christians. They absolutely hate the idea that humanity could've been created or genetically manipulated by extraterrestrial beings that are hundreds of thousands of years more advanced, even though I believe there's significant evidence that that's exactly what happened.

I wholeheartedly agree. My own research has produced much evidence that an Alien Race created the human race, and no evidence at all that one God did, nor that the Bible is the Word of God, one God only, and much evidence that Jesus never existed, and the only evidence that he did is the NT and one line of the Josephus Writings, many scholars believe it was added later. One day the Christians will get a wake up call that they will never forget, and they will be able to see who and what their "God" is, first hand. I hope I am there to see it.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by franspeakfree

 

That isn't true. If Sitchin had actually done research he would have discovered that Nibiru as he described was not possible. You simply cannot have a planet with the properties he describes in the solar system. The physics does not work. About all he did was spending enough time to find things he could misrepresent.

Sitchin was not the only one who warned of Nibiru....

Retired Command Sergeant Major Robert Dean
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Planet X and the Mysterious Death of Dr. Robert Harrington
yowusa.com...

NASA themselves officially recognized the possibility of Planet X, with an announcement that 'some kind of mystery object is really there - far beyond the outermost planets'.
xfacts.com...

reply to post by autowrench


I'm not too familiar with Dean so I can't comment on him. As for the other two articles, it has been proposed for a while now that a planet exists past Pluto. In fact Pluto used to be referred to as Planet X before it was discovered. The simple facts are that physics prevents a planet from orbiting the inner solar system, let alone one entering the inner solar system within 2 years. The object in second article was said to be near Orion 25 years ago. It would still be near Orion. Orion is almost 18 lightyears away, meaning that if this planet were actually part of our solar system it would take millions of years for it to make a single orbit and would come nowhere near the inner solar system. People need to stop assuming Planet X and Nibiru mean the same thing.

reply to post by autowrench

Planet X and the Mysterious Death of Dr. Robert Harrington

It's always good to point out why Harrington was searching for planet X. He wasn't the first. The search had been going on for well over a 100 years by the time Harrington was searching. Harrington dies in 1993. A few years earlier Voyager 2 flew by Neptune. The year was 1989.

Voyager 2

When Voyager 2 flew-by Neptune, it took very precise measurements of Neptune's mass. Neptune was evaluated at about 0.5 percent less massive than previous estimates — a difference comparable to a planet with the mass of Mars. When the orbits of Uranus and Neptune orbits were recalculated using the more accurate mass figure, it was found that the imprecise number for Neptune — and not the gravity of an unseen planet — caused the orbital discrepancies that had long perplexed planetary astronomers.

Harrington spent his productive years searching in vain for a planet X that was shown not to exist. That happens. The best information of the day suggested an unknown planet. More precise data showed it not to exist.

Sitchin was not the only one who warned of Nibiru....

To be fair Harrington was not warning of a dangerous unknown planet. He was looking for a planet he knew would never ever enter the orbits of the known planets. So to mix Harrington with the drivel from Sitchin is certainly unkind to an excellent astronomer.

NASA themselves officially recognized the possibility of Planet X, with an announcement that 'some kind of mystery object is really there - far beyond the outermost planets'.

What are you referring to here? That's an unsubstantiated quote made next to a video of some lame claims made by Sitchin. There is a link where it goes off to mention Nemesis and make all sorts of really silly claims about Nemesis being Nibiru.

reply to post by GoldenFleece

That's correct, brown dwarfs aren't visible from Earth because they're between the temperatures of about 450 Kelvin to 600 Kelvin (350 to 620 degrees Fahrenheit) and can only be seen with IR telescopes like IRAS and WISE. In other words, EXACTLY like Nibiru.

That's a ridiculous statement. Brown dwarfs can be seen in optical telescopes because they have been. Brown dwarfs emit EM. They also reflect EM.

Wait, didn't you just say that Nemesis is linked to extinction cycles? So it's "much too far away" to cause planetary perturbations, but close enough to be linked to planetary extinction cycles? Good one!

Obviously you have no idea about the solar system or why Nemesis was proposed. I strongly urge you to get educated on these issues. No wonder you've made some of the foolish statements you have.

And of course that 1983 IRAS mission didn't find a brown dwarf, did it?

If looking ridiculous is your goal, then you're a champ at it. The IRAS device was the first infrared telescope. It was not as good a device as WISE. No one even knew what to expect when the data was retrieved. That is a major reason for the inability to explain why there were bright IR signatures which did not correspond with optical counterparts.

Oh yeah, and a little too "professional" in spending all your free time on internet forums trying to make people believe that Planet X, Nemesis (recently renamed Tyche) and Nibiru (along with Wormwood, Hercolubus and a host of other names) isn't the exact same BROWN DWARF in the Sumerian tablets that Sitchin wrote about.

Since modern instruments are having trouble detecting a solar companion that is a brown dwarf it is impossible that the Sumerians detected a brown dwarf. The Sumerians couldn't see Uranus or Neptune and they are much closer. The Sumerians did not write about the Jovian moons. Some of those have a diameter close to the diameter of the Earth.

It might help you to take an introductory course in astronomy so that you can make cogent postings.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
Or, Nibiru was a spaceship which housed thousands of ET, how else would the ancient people describe it? They had no idea what a spaceship is, so they would assume the ship is where the ets lived, hence a planet.

So is your claim, that it's a spaceship? You lost me.

Whether Niburu exists doesn't matter.It's the intention of the thread.

Can you prove Niburu doesn't exist?

What if it was blacked out?

Originally posted by GodIsPissed
Whether Niburu exists doesn't matter.It's the intention of the thread.

Can you prove Niburu doesn't exist?

What if it was blacked out?

This photograph was supposedly taken from the south pole telescope that was designed and built for the monitoring and tracking of planet x also called Nibiru.

Can this be corroborated? He say's "supposedly". This suggests to me that he is not well researched on the validity and source of the claim, just the claim it self. And was this telescope really engineered to monitor and track "planet x"? I'd like to see proof of that.

I appreciate you bringing this to the table. Why something would be blacked out is worth looking in to, but I see this as no evidence of Nibiru.

Originally posted by cluckerspud
(cont)..... to be a complete fabrication of the lunatic fringe community.

Zecharia Sitchin is not only a poor scholar, but his claims are scientifically bunk as shown here.

His original claim is that Nibiru will pass in 2090, NOT 2012. After 2012 gained a buzz and following it seemed his own prediction was tailored to fit this year.

Here’s the kicker; Sitchin’s original prediction of the appearance of Nibiru does not coincide with the 2012 date! According to Sitchin, Nibiru is not due to return until 2900! (Though he did say that the Annunaki might return by spaceship when the Age of Pisces moved to the Age of Aquarius sometime after 2090).

Source

Sitchin’s descriptions and research according to Keplars Law, prove that such a planet would be recognizable for a wide window of time with a powerful telescope. Thus it continues undetected. Naturally the only response could be, "It's invisible". How convenient.

Nibiru ala Kepler

Fact: such a planet as described by Sitchin would be detected by amateur astronomers.
Fact: it is not.

More info on debunked youtube videos here.

edit on 12-2-2011 by cluckerspud because: (no reason given)

My bad dude, I'm just not seeing that link anywhere in your OP. I even re-checked all of page 1 and 2 and found no mention of the link I gave you. Is it a link within one of your other links?

And no, I did not google it, that site was referred to me by a friend over a year ago.

We are in agreement about this topic and I starred and flagged your post for presentation.

I clicked on the thread with the full intent of coming on here and saying "No you didnt find nibiru it's not real" but then laughed when I read the rest of it.

Oh, and FYI, USUALLY i do read a thread in its entirety before posting my thoughts. Maybe you should jump to conclusions a tad less.

Originally posted by autowrench
I wholeheartedly agree. My own research has produced much evidence that an Alien Race created the human race

I'd be interested in seeing your research. Is this available for us to see?

reply to post by cluckerspud


Ah my apology sir. Actually its a clever title now that I get it....I guess I just missed it (and your subsequent explanation) sorry 'bout that!

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by cluckerspud

 

Ah my apology sir. Actually its a clever title now that I get it....I guess I just missed it (and your subsequent explanation) sorry 'bout that!

No worries. Most felt I mislead, but aren't most posts a little misleading?
Thanks for stopping by.

So his education i s this:

He studied at the London School of Economics and Political Science and graduated from the University of London, majoring in economic history. A journalist and editor in Israel for many years, he later made his home in New York City.

So to concur with what was shared earlier, his degree has NO proper or formal training in the fields of science, archeology, ancient languages or history

This tidbit could not be anymore vague:

Mr. Sitchin was born in Russia and grew up in Palestine, where he acquired profound knowledge of ancient and modern languages, the Bible, and the archaeology and history of the ancient Near East.

Acquired profound knowledge? What a load of crap. It doesn't say he earned a degree, or studied anything.

And he is also noted for being a member to these groups:

International Forum on New Science
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Oriental Society
Middle East Studies Association of North America
Israel Exploration Society

All of these memberships are attainable for a membership fee. That's right you can join today with your Economic History Degree and Acquired Profound Knowledge.

Originally posted by keepureye2thesky
So his education i s this:

He studied at the London School of Economics and Political Science and graduated from the University of London, majoring in economic history. A journalist and editor in Israel for many years, he later made his home in New York City.

So to concur with what was shared earlier, his degree has NO proper or formal training in the fields of science, archeology, ancient languages or history

This tidbit could not be anymore vague:

Mr. Sitchin was born in Russia and grew up in Palestine, where he acquired profound knowledge of ancient and modern languages, the Bible, and the archaeology and history of the ancient Near East.

Acquired profound knowledge? What a load of crap. It doesn't say he earned a degree, or studied anything.

And he is also noted for being a member to these groups:

International Forum on New Science
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Oriental Society
Middle East Studies Association of North America
Israel Exploration Society

All of these memberships are attainable for a membership fee. That's right you can join today with your Economic History Degree and Acquired Profound Knowledge.

Correct. He is not properly trained in afield in which requires more than a "economic History" degree.

As for these groups he belongs to. I did a quick search on a few of those sites and to be honest, nothing turned up. Not saying that he isn't a member, but he's certainly not very notable accept for paying his membership dues.

reply to post by cluckerspud


I wonder why groups that take your cash don't put your name on a memorial page of deceased members. Maybe you have to pay for that privilege as well.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by cluckerspud

 

I wonder why groups that take your cash don't put your name on a memorial page of deceased members. Maybe you have to pay for that privilege as well.

It is it any different than me being a member of ASCAP?! I payed my fees. But does that make me a better musician than the next guy? Nope. I get a card, some privellages etc.

It's absurd to think his membership to these groups are anything more than fluff.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by cluckerspud

 

I wonder why groups that take your cash don't put your name on a memorial page of deceased members. Maybe you have to pay for that privilege as well.

They Just like taking your money. Even though he passed away, I guarantee a renewal form makes it to his mailing address upon expiration.

reply to post by keepureye2thesky


That is hilarious.

I think if these money grubbers want the money they should open up a list of dead people that paid more money column.

I'm definitely not claiming that membership means anything at all. I get calls from Who's Who about once a year to allow me to pay for the privilege of bragging. It's a quick click on that one.