Republican lawmaker: Time to 'empty the clip' on illegal immigration

reply to post by ~Lucidity


It just kills me because these are the same people that are going to go into a thread about how jews/muslims/smurfs/thunder cats are all terrible and chime in with "Hey now, they are not all bad. You can't generalize a whole group b/c of a few idiots!" Then their hypocritical butts are gonna turn right around and bash the southern states. I live in this state. I LOVE this state! To be honest it is the most tolerant state I've lived in thus far and I've been all over. Sure you get your idiots with really outdated views, but you can get those anywhere.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


All of the above~ Its all a conspiracy i tell ya! There all out to get us!

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It's odd that this site has become so full of Republicans since Obama took office. I hope they aren't defending their precious government if a Right wing wackjob enters the White House after our current sitting president leaves...I think that alone says enough about ATS and it's credibility....

Anyway,
the lawmaker may have said he didn't mean any harm but we all know there are unstable individuals out there who take those kind of remarks literal. What's with Conservatives and unloading weapons on minorities anyway???

reply to post by SeventhSeal


Really?? and you know just how the dynamics of this site and its users are from your short time here huh. Sit through a couple presidents of differing sides, then see how the story goes around here.

The coddling of one genre or another is ludicrous. I agree with Lucidity. If he hadnt back peddled on his statement, i would have respected him more for just sticking to his words and not apologizing. I refuse to be responsible for the actions of a nutcase that i have no control over and no one else should either. If its not one thing that will set some freak off, its another so screw political correctness.

My .02¢

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reply to post by SeventhSeal


Did ever occur to you that maybe with the " acting " president, many people got tired of the lies and propaganda, that the ' lefties " tend to decry?

Maybe those " Republicans " on this site were once Democrats? Did you ever think of that possibility? Which would further suggest that your comments make you appear more judgmental than anything else.
Or maybe, they aren't Republicans at all, maybe they are Democrats that aren't closed minded after all. Is that a possibility?

Or perhaps they fall under neither label; and Conservative/Liberal/Republican/Democrat are just used as insults/labels to paint members who post anything contrary to a posters held beliefs.

Shoot at illegals crossing the border only every other country including Mexico does that though...

Personally I think people need to acting like painless girl scouts and admit they understand what he was thing to say despite how he said it.

this is a controversy caused by gun phobia. any phrase or term or image that uses gun terminology must automatically be dangerous and murderous right?

"The story talks about how a Democrat handles the situation, I think I said the Democrat tells the guy he'll put together a charity basketball league or something to raise money to help him. The second family, that father [the Republican] has a gun but takes only one shot. The third family, and that father [the southerner] also has a gun, but he empties the clip. He solves the problem."

What a horrible analogy.

I mean, the violent rhetoric could be excused for expressions like "take a stab at" or metaphorical puns like "kill the bill" are at least grounded in everyday speech. But, "empty the clip"? I'm not a gun owner, but I do know a whole lot of gun owners, and yet I have never heard this expression (aside from in literal meaning, of course).

Even in context, it makes no sense. It oversimplifies illegals as the sum total of a violent threat to the US. Threat to the economy, yes, but not by their own doing. They are victims of outsourcing and "free trade", too. Violent? The illegals are victims of violence as well - direct violence from the coyotes, drugrunners and occasionally by US citizens; indirect violence mostly from poverty, but also because they often die of exposure in the Sonora Desert or from exploding meth labs all over the Southwest.

The worst thing about his analogy is that it misses the point completely, turning illegal immigration into a Democrats vs. Republican narrative while skirting over the issue and its causes.

Originally posted by circuitsports
Shoot at illegals crossing the border only every other country including Mexico does that though...

Personally I think people need to acting like painless girl scouts and admit they understand what he was thing to say despite how he said it.

huh! "painless girl scouts"

Is this some sort of surreal text speak? Code?

Beason supporter? Good Luck!

Originally posted by S1LV3R4D0
reply to post by SeventhSeal

 

Really?? and you know just how the dynamics of this site and its users are from your short time here huh. Sit through a couple presidents of differing sides, then see how the story goes around here.


My .02¢

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Son, I've been coming to this site since 2007. Even though many theorized how Bush was going to send us all to FEMA camps or invade Iran in the summer of 2008 (ATS was SET on this idea for some reason), the criticism of Obama is beyond the roof. And yes, a majority of ATS members are indeed Conservative.

It takes a blind dog not to see it. Nothing wrong with it either...I just tend to sit back most of the time and watch the children here bicker about their guns and loss of freedoms that Obama somehow took from them....when he didn't

First of all im not your son. Secondly, if you followed trends, you would see this site, just like any other reads like a roller coaster of side switching. Depending on what is the hot topic of the day/week/month/year in MSM will determine the multitude of topics related to that.

So you are saying out of the 118,415 members that have posted, 92,729 of which have 20 posts or less, you have calculated the majority of those are conservative huh. You are a master of statistical calculation and reading i guess.

Ill stick with what i know from what ive read on my own, thanks.

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I think judging from popular ideologies on this site, I'd say yes, it's quite conservative. In fact, a majority of posts and threads are quite biased in terms of right wing/left wing. Sure, the sides may change on many other sites but I don't think you know how ATS functions...although you registered in 2004.

Like I said, it takes a blind dog not to see this. But like I also said, nothing wrong with it. It's just a more of a conservative forum if anything else ....

K, thanks son. Take care.

The tragedy is using communication tactics that shut down the conversation between people. I have sat in a room with Young Republicans and Black Panthers (years ago, but it happened). We all communicated. It was crazy just like ATS, but no one got shut down.

People are not all something or all another thing. They are like prisms with light and definition based on their beliefs and concomitant experiences over the span of their existence.

What I learned on the Gabby Gifford/Lognher thread/weekend was this: There were TWO TRAGEDIES that weekend; the shootings and a society that left Loghner in the dust.

On this thread there are a minimum of TWO TRAGEDIES here. People who are connecting but not, in many cases, communicating and; an American leader who needs to hear from them all, in a way that is constructive for that leader, in order to correct his speechwriter and himself.

Because at the end of the day, we are all human.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
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I think judging from popular ideologies on this site, I'd say yes, it's quite conservative. In fact, a majority of posts and threads are quite biased in terms of right wing/left wing. Sure, the sides may change on many other sites but I don't think you know how ATS functions...although you registered in 2004.

Like I said, it takes a blind dog not to see this. But like I also said, nothing wrong with it. It's just a more of a conservative forum if anything else

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K, thanks son. Take care.

Now, now, children... don't make me turn this car around.

I'm thinking that most people are in the middle. The left sees anybody that is not on board with extreme lefty views as "right" and the right tend to view anybody who is not extremely conservative as "left". This means there are a ton of people who may identify with one side but are labeled as the other by both. Kind of like when you and an ex-spouse claims the same kids but don't know it then get mad about it later.

I've been called a socialist and a fundy in the same thread before so... I know people count me in both even though I'm neither. I'm not alone.

reply to post by Cuervo

Yes, the people on both radical fringes are just very loud, so they get all the attention. They're entertaining. The vast majority are in the middle, and it's when we finally speak loud that all this nonsense may finally end. But the divisive forces usually just get everyone focused on the wrong things...the wrong priorities.

That's happened to me as well...getting called a leftist, pinko commie socialist and a conservative heartless gun nut all in one thread or conversation. Still scratching my head over those. Might be some truth there. My views are all over the political spectrum, and I've even flip-flopped on occasion, over time, to compromise or what have you. .Attempts to label me or anyone else just make me

On a more serious note, however, I find myself more and more simply tuning out on anyone who starts off by saying things like, "you leftists" or "you gun nuts," Walking away. Not listening. And that's dangerous too. It takes effort to listen anyway. To make sure you're seeing the whole picture...the big picture. It's when we stop listening to each other that the real trouble starts.

reply to post by SeventhSeal


And all the sexual advertisment on television is responsible for the pregnancies, and abortions.
All of th eguns are responsible for the gun crimes, and pencils are responsible for misspelled words.
Got it.

reply to post by SeventhSeal


I can tell by 2 statements in your post you are just attempting to bait me troll and not attempting to debate anything so ill leave it at that.

On a more serious note, however, I find myself more and more simply tuning out on anyone who starts off by saying things like, "you leftists" or "you gun nuts," Walking away. Not listening. And that's dangerous too. It takes effort to listen anyway. To make sure you're seeing the whole picture...the big picture. It's when we stop listening to each other that the real trouble starts.

Very well put Lucidity. Advice i shall definitely have to start putting to work.

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The British people accepting the rule of any of the typicaly sucessful parties would be a testament to the stupidity of the nations population in my estimation. While I would advocate against any slide into BNP similar parties gaining control, I would also suggest that the ordinary man should take parliment from the Eaton/Oxford/Cambridge graduates in parliament, and install regular working class folks in all the power positions in government.
We must wrest control from those who have either never felt, or those who have forgotten, the feeling of being at risk of loosing thier homes, thier jobs, the people who will never be affected by the laws they alter, the restrictions they apply. We need a government who do things with the little people at the FRONT of thier considerations to the exclusion of all else , and we need it because no matter how powerful and rich individuals get, the nation will never move forward , until those at the bottom find themselves in a solid and safe position. The people who run our government now are perfectly happy to savage the services that keep the majority of people afloat, but seem incapable of enforcing the actual will of the British people. They prefer to pander to the markets, bow to the banks (from whom ALL of our debts should be recouped , rather than skinning the already bloodless populus any futher), and hand out bad contracts to blantantly corrupt non government organisations, for example the ownership and control of the HMRC buildings all over the nation, which are costing the taxpayer BILLIONS more than they need to, simply because a corrupt and thieving company controls everything from office supplies to cleaning chemicals, and overcharges buy up to 80% per item on everything it supplies to the building.
Until this and other total idiocies are expunged from government spending, and until our nations leadership is contested by persons who actualy DO represent the people, the street sweepers, the pool cleaners, the plumbers and locksmiths, and the shelf stackers, we should not be satisfied, or allow the groups currently leading this nations political agenda, to force us to choose between political groups who essentialy are all crewed by the same grade of idiots, and exactly as removed from the realities of life in Britain as eachother.