UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by DeboWilliams

 

Because they're dumb kids who didn't realise the ramifications and thought the whole event should be known by the world?

Quite simple really. As per any relevant occurrence meriting a visit from the PTB, once they've paid their visit, and once you've seen the effects your actions have had upon the people of your nation/ the world, you start to withdraw - a 'flight' reaction to the real possibility of mortal danger.

That arguement would work, except your forgetting the first person to post their videos was from a 42 yr old man with a wife and 2 kids.

Your point is flawed and you are being intentionally ignorant by ignoring the facts

reply to post by Mr Mask


I think that ATS member they are talking about actually was the owner of the website which I am not allowed to mention on ATS.. I think he was banned?

Actually, I think the owner of that banned website reincarnated and is posting on this thread.

reply to post by RayA54


I can agree with you on that, however, there are many hoaxers that have learned their trade and now use their skills to profit. Now they are able to get the high and a paycheck. One example can be found in the ATS thread: Hoax Heard Around the World. I think that is the name of it.

In that thread is an example of at least one individual who hoaxed him/herself into profits over the years.

To UnKnown Soldier... completely off topic, but something I noticed while typing earlier... did you notice how everyone says camera phone, but when typing it always want to type phone camera?

reply to post by esteay812


It was just an example... I guess for me. Okay instead of 9/11 lets say slavery never happened? I dunno haha

reply to post by ExCloud


It actually might not be so bad that the time is very early where you are. Considering the videos were made at around 1-2am I believe and also given the Sabbath day that was being observed... I hope I got that right, I know someone made a point earlier that this particular day is one that is observed, where ordinary, everyday technology is refrained from being used. So maybe more people were in bed or simply less active.

Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by pezza

 

I think someone brought this up earlier as well as all the other facts thats why I myself dont care about video 3,4 but others still might so this my be good for them to see.

i would have thought this would have been the "lowest hanging fruit" to the hoax side. Easiest way to debunk the vid all together or eliminate the weakest link (vid 4) at the very least.

I have had a good look at vid1. Pretty much satisfied the ufo feature is synthetic along the same lines of vid 4. Likely the same author too. Im going to head out to get a chocolate sundae, then come back and finish this off.

I have also considered the advice of Pinke. I am going attempt to do the analysis in a pre existing software package. One within the reach of everyone. For this people will need;

* ImageJ
* Quicktime Pro
* method to download you tubevids

I think the vote options should be expanded. I have yet to see rock solid proof either proving nor debunking these 3 videos.

So a vote:
[ ] Hoax!
[ ] Leaning Toward Hoax
[ ] On the fence...still!
[x] Leaning Toward Authentic
[ ] Authentic!

reply to post by esteay812


I took the video on my phone either way now i just need to figure out how to upload it. I have to get the right cord. I guess I cant just send it to my emails then save them. Arg I hate blackberry. I can receive videos I can make mp3s on this sob but I cant send a video email? Awesome.

reply to post by ExCloud


If only they had waited until the back engineering was done, would have made it soo much easier! At least they got it right with Droid, etc

Originally posted by Mr Mask

Originally posted by Paradigm2012
It still appears that video 1, video 2, and video 4 are real. Video 3 was a hoax and I heard that the person who hoaxed it was an ATS member.

Actually it looks like a known hoaxer is claiming to be involved with clip 4, and says its "his story".

Further more, there is no submitted evidence that an ATS member made clip 3...unless you bring this?

You have a very bad habit of saying things that are untrue.

Why is that?

MM

Maybe because he is one of the hoaxers?

Just a thought

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

The Cinema teacher who knows uploader #1 since 2006 uploaded a photo of some of those in Video #4 way before the videos were released.

It might be circumstantial - Israel is not such a big place and he might be friend's of both by chance.
Also, he might be unrelated and there might be a different or similar connection (maybe the guy's brother, niece, uncle, friend... who knows).

But it's enough for me to stop wasting time on this.

reply to post by esteay812


Exactly my thoughts. Maybe this orb in this video is dropping off my iphone at the wrong destination? haha all jokes aside this is kind of annoying me because I cant find my usb plug because I have never needed it and I am hoping I didnt toss it with the box.

Over the years I became disappointed in the ATS self appointed mob of closed minds who have limited understanding of physics and think that you can prove the validity of anything through only the power of opinion. Truly pseudo science defending deadening opinions.

We have seen people can find convincing illusions in bad scientific methods proving things like we actually did not go to the Moon. To most, it is as though we feel a good advertising campaign with diagrams and video edits more important than real critical thinking.

I have seen real events dumped here for dubious mob mis-logic. Few if anyone really has a grasp of what they are saying. "Just sound convincing", they are likely thinking. This is the chain of current intelligence. One weak link breaks it. Social networks are not precision scientific mechanisms of measurement and discernment. I should not be surprised, but it is an interesting observable condition of our collective nievity.

These videos are all up to the research, but ,watch what happens. No one can actually go and get each original video and truly do any forensic digital examination, find all the people involved and look for any relationships or other evidence this was a huge conspiracy. For what? Street Cred?

The event was near the most important Islamic shrine and could have some biblical-level meaning. Or it could be mere coincidence the object chose such a show, at such a place, at such a time, in Mideastern history.

We can only guess. But at least ask the questions before sending the messenger to the gallows.

Just the astronomically huge mathematical probability implied by so many videos showing the same event from different locations tells us this is worth much more research before we decide anything. Yes, high probability it is actually an event caught by many unassociated people. Likely many more saw this and did not have cameras as well. Has anyone started that research? Security cameras, radar track from local air controllers or military installations and many more things need be checked before we dismisses anything.

My own personal impression, which might include intuition fueled by the nature of addressable non-locality in self awareness, is that this was an actual unexplainable event.


True UFO.
Seemingly under intelligent control.
Unknown and possibly secret or non-terrestrial propulsion.
Multiple vantage video, multi person observations.
Significant location.

Keeper. Worth bringing to bear good science and research methods.

Don't dismiss this event. I think it is at least, significant.

ZG

Originally posted by haketem

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by haketem

 

And your source is...?

If you have it, then fair dinkum. Still, it would leave us only with more questions - not with conclusive proof of anything but association by coincidence or otherwise.

I sent him a message, no answer yet - I won't publish personal info without consent.
I found a photo of some of the people in the car in vid #4 taken by that guy (Cimena teacher), who is friends with poster of vid #1 (found a connection between them dating back to 2006).

Sorry to disappoint many of you, but I spent way too much time looking into this and hope all of you enjoy the rest of the weekend without wasting any more time on this.

By the way - I was very impressed by this forum, you guys kept me indecisive for way too long, and I admire both the healthy skepticism demonstrated and healthy faith in arguments looking into the most minute details - was very enlightening. Thanks.

actually this nugget of info is what tips me into the hoax camp.
How ironic that a poster who MM said was suspicious would be the one to provide information that i find makes the hoax hypothesis plausible from my perspective.
Good research, keep us posted if you get a response from him.

If all the parties are connected, then im inclined to call hoax, up until now they seemed to be independant witnesses, but if there is a connection that dates back to 2006............

Well done, again how ironic you should provide the data when MM originally said your input was suspect

please keep us informed of your email contact and try and post the details if you can.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

I think that ATS member they are talking about actually was the owner of the website which I am not allowed to mention on ATS.. I think he was banned?

Actually, I think the owner of that banned website reincarnated and is posting on this thread.

edit on 5-2-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

Sounds very possible and like him.

Total scum bag.

MM

reply to post by haketem


If the guy is a cinema teacher, maybe both of them have a class with him. Maybe this is all a project to produce a low budget film for class and see what type of response they get from it... Maybe the teacher is reading this now, giving them grades on how well they 'sold' it. Just reaching a bit...

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

I think that ATS member they are talking about actually was the owner of the website which I am not allowed to mention on ATS.. I think he was banned?

Actually, I think the owner of that banned website reincarnated and is posting on this thread.

edit on 5-2-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

He informed me in a email that he was lurking here and was upset about the end results.

Originally posted by haketem
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

 

The Cinema teacher who knows uploader #1 since 2006 uploaded a photo of some of those in Video #4 way before the videos were released.

It might be circumstantial - Israel is not such a big place and he might be friend's of both by chance.
Also, he might be unrelated and there might be a different or similar connection (maybe the guy's brother, niece, uncle, friend... who knows).

But it's enough for me to stop wasting time on this.

Im inclined to come to the same conclusion
Sincere thanks haketem, youve put in some excellent legwork on this, i really do appreciate your input
Cheers Mate and have a good weekend.

reply to post by ZeroGhost


There are a lot more videos of this event out there? I know at this point that is probably a stupid question, unless these are the only videos of this event, then I have to wonder exactly which other videos you are referring to.

Yes, one member for sure searched a city camera. Went through every day of video and found 2 days, I think, where there was an odd light in the vicinity of the orb/ufo. One date was the same as the event in question, around the same time. The other day was 2 days prior. Same light, same location.

reply to post by Ashtrei


You realize he has only said this and not posted it with factual basis right?