UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

Reply to post by Unknown Soldier

Link on the Moscow Pyramid being a hoax?


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It looks genuine, except for the 3rd movie which just seems it was made to discredit the other ones. If it's a hoax many, professional cgi artists, and I guess actors did it, for unknown reasons.. and that seems even more unlikely. Why go to all that trouble to just get a thread at some conspiracy sites?

I find it very strange that ATS moved this to the Hoax section and then re-opened it after the uproar.There are already people saying ATS mods are in the disinfo business.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


Fly, I'm done with you, you have yet to say or include anything even REMOTELY on topic, period. And I guarantee, GUARANTEE your reply will be the same nonsense banter that we've seen in your past posts. I dare you to prove me wrong

# that went wrong!
so are u guys done yet with coming to a conclusion?
if this footage is real wich i think it is, then i would like to know what that ufo wanted hovering over that building!
this craft must be a unmanned spacecraft becuz the way it shoots into the sky it would be impossible for beeings to handle those G-Forces right!?
does anybody know exactly what buildings it was hovering over?
i was thinking that the flash that it made bevore it takes off could be like a scanning devise.
maybe be scanning underground tunnels or the buildings. i dont know just weird
any thoughts?

reply to post by DeboWilliams


If you really mean what you said in the post to which I'm replying, then fair play. It's a big change from what I've discerned in your other posts.

Good idea. Trouble is, the presentation of all the facts will take time and research, because we have to filter out the noise of various rants from both sides of the fence. This is why I still believe my idea of two research threads is a good one. But a few pages back, you vehemently thought it was a terrible idea. Why the change of heart?

Don't get me wrong, if it is a genuine change of heart, then fair play, and I will edit my last post to reflect that the hostilities are over.

Game changing event? This thread might just have witnessed a minor one.

reply to post by DeboWilliams


What a shame, you didn't give me chance to assess your most recent post before lashing out. My posts, as explained, have merely kept reiterating the FACT that this debate is not over. We are still waiting for certain bits of information that may prove conclusively one way or other the actuality of the situation.

I'm saddened, because you are making like you're playing nice, and yet harboring malice. Not a good way to act, in life or on a forum.

you need witness statements, both of the vid uploaders and others
also keep looking for other evidence, new clips or photos etc

i think you are all agreed on the fact that all of the videos COULD have been faked, so the questions are how and why, concentrate on them

and yes i am just offering opnion, but at least trying to be constructive to the investigation

Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

You are pretty good at talking people down. Where is you evidence to say Video 1 is a hoax?

Talking people down? No, where is my evidence? Well if you have paid attention and read up until now you will clearly see the evidence not only provided by me but many others.

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

You forgot to explain the weather cam. Nice try though. Lot of noise, not much substance.

I provided a video link some 20 - 30 pages ago. After further review I do not see anything like the object in the video footage, However there is a light in one pic that looks like a city light or street light. The light blends in with the land scape. The weather cam is quite poor in quality. This is eerily similar to the claims of night UFO's over NYC during 10-13 where people claimed UFO's were in the weather cam photos. Turned out it was planes coming and going from Newark lol.

This is a significant, real UFO event, yet many on here are only concerned with maintaining some kind of reputation for 'critical-mindedness' - which, frankly, has now blasted through the realms of incision, and borders on the edge of obsession.

To you It is significant, and that's OK. But according to the data there is nothing remotely significant about it. The uploader of video 1&2 is being dishonest and manipulating the audio like I said. All of the video footage has been debunked but video one is still questionable. Given the fact the user eligael manipulated the audio in video 2 and refuses to cooperate and come forward makes him a suspect in nature rather a witness. www.youtube.com... So I think it is safe to say the authenticity of video number one loses it's credibility. There is no reason for the mans actions that i can think of besides orchestrating a hoax

"Let's keep the world simple, let the truth be locked up tight in a little box - it suits the warmongers, the money makers, and the political shakers. The common man is being kept in the dark. ATS is doing its best to allow pseudoskepticism to take the victory.

As far as I can tell ATS has been more then fair with this case. It is open for debate thus you are entitled to your opinion. The evidence points to hoax in such a way it does not bode well with those who want to believe more then want to KNOW the truth, red or blue pill. Ozymandias thought blowing up Manhattan and blaming Dr Manhattan would unite the world for the greater good. Some people think it is ok to lie and wage false flag operations for special interests. Some people think there is such a thing as a good hoax.

We debunk what we can and whatever is left standing is where WE can present our case in ufology. Then maybe we can be taken seriously. A lie is a lie and a hoax is a hoax, set aside your beliefs and see it for what it is.

Could someone please do as I suggested as to not lose site of what this thread is about and have it tossed in the trash please. I can attempt to do it, but it wont come out very well.

We need an summary of whats been put on the table as evidence for both sides. What has been taken out of the table as we do agree that some of the videos are a hoax or most of us do. We need just a summary so people can get back to the topic at hand please.

Originally posted by macG84

if this footage is real wich i think it is, then i would like to know what that ufo wanted hovering over that building!
this craft must be a unmanned spacecraft becuz the way it shoots into the sky it would be impossible for beeings to handle those G-Forces right!?

What about angels?

This is one of the reason why this building is target watch this video www.youtube.com...

If is a true UFO then we are in a big problem.

If they fake then this another propaganda video supporting Islamic point of view.

Well,well,well, now isnt this A surprise,proof off UFO's over the Earth, arnt those who have debunked and called hoaxes videos posted on ATS. How silly do you feel now?

If these footages is not enough proof for you, then you really must be dellusional. Those whom have flammed other posters for placing footage of UFO's over this planet, and who have debunked each topic. Dont you think,it is about high time you apologised?

This has to be the most compelling proof of Alien Life as far as I am concerned. I for one am very excited by this footage.

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


The videos were taken by people who were 10 feet apart with 2 different cameras talking will be the same. Please go test this and prove me wrong that the audio should not be almost the exact same if not the same. That is all I ask of this audio.

As for saying 2-4 are a hoax or if they turn out to be then 1 loses all its flavor per say? No thats why people would make these diss info video's. To kill the real one off.

If the video is real then I wanna know what the UFO is doing there. What is the purpose?

Personally I feel these are the facts:

1. We have 4 videos uploaded via Youtube of an event over Temple Mount which gives us 4 angles.
2. The 3rd video (close up that seems to be the money shot in media sources) is actually a fake, given that the still image is widely available, has no flash and has monitor aliasing when zoomed in.
3. We have web cam footage three minutes prior to the event that shows a light that is not at that location in any subsequent footage.

Some guy by the name of Pharaohmoan1 actually went out of his way and put his money where his mouth is and do an analysis on the forth video, so you folk out there crying hoax why don't you do some legwork also.......seeing as it SO EASY!

The fact remains someone spent a lot of time and effort to PIXEL BY PIXEL create the effects you see in a stripped back clean up of the 4th video as witness in Pharoahmoan1's video analysis.

Now unless someones motive were to promote the next bat man movie, my guess is most people would not bother to go to such an elaborate process. IMO only a movie studio could create the detail I see in the 4th footage! And for all those about to BARK, do it recreate the same kinda video WITH the same chaotic pixilation and distortions frame by frame, otherwise ZIP IT, I don't wanna hear it!

SO EVERYONE, STFU, WATCH THE VIDEO ANALYSIS AND THEN DECIDE and see if it brings us any closer to whichever truth it is we are seeking!

I haven't been following the debate over the last 24 hours but can someone explain to me why this is no longer listed as HOAX?

Was Hoaxkiller1's explanations for videos 1, 2 and 4 not enough? Not to mention the progressive/interlace issue brought up in the previous ATS thread.

How is this not a hoax?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Ashtrei
I think its obvious we have two types of observer in this genre
Those who dont know the answers and are seeking them
And those that already have the answers and try and twist the facts to fit this preconceived notion
(this applys to both sides of the argument, for and against)

So... has anyone posted the other UFO video taken by the original guy who took Number One? Just catching up

Another night of ufo over Jerusalem - old city

eligael | February 01, 2011 |
Another ufo above the old city of Jerusalem. This ufo was higher in the sky and moved above the old city for long time . I had to go and stoped shooting while it was still there....

This is what Eli posted 5 days ago

The other guy in the video also filmed the ufo. I hope he will post his video soon.... i'm sure i wasn't the only one in the city who saw it although it was late

eligael 5 days ago

So what we are calling the 2nd vid is what hes refering to, and thats been posted.

If and i say IF because i dont know , he is legit, its no wonder hes dropped out of sight, some of the hateful comments posted on this vid and his channel would freak out anyone.
Its also not beyond the realms of possibility hes had Mossad knock on his door.

If he is legit, then some of the vitriol thats been directed his way would put me off ever posting stuff like this again, were i in his shoes

Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

The videos were taken by people who were 10 feet apart with 2 different cameras talking will be the same. Please go test this and prove me wrong that the audio should not be almost the exact same if not the same. That is all I ask of this audio.

As for saying 2-4 are a hoax or if they turn out to be then 1 loses all its flavor per say? No thats why people would make these diss info video's. To kill the real one off.

Yes, talking will be the same, noone is denying that. What wouldnt be the same is the volume levels.

Let's make this as clear as possible


If you and a friend was both recording a video at the same time, being across the street from each other, and he said HEY, then you said HEY, which would be louder in the video you recorded? And which would be louder on the video he recorded?

However in both videos at the part AFTER they both say woah, actor Bs (the guy who is seen in the first video recording with his cell phone) vocal volume is IDENTICAL in both videos. This is not possible unless the audio was from 1 source, and not 2 sources. Think back to my example again, and the conclusion YOU came to for that exercise.


I dare anyone to prove me wrong with FACTS not opinions.

Go for it.

sorry dont know how to upload video.