UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

Originally posted by DeboWilliams

Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

The videos were taken by people who were 10 feet apart with 2 different cameras talking will be the same. Please go test this and prove me wrong that the audio should not be almost the exact same if not the same. That is all I ask of this audio.

As for saying 2-4 are a hoax or if they turn out to be then 1 loses all its flavor per say? No thats why people would make these diss info video's. To kill the real one off.

Yes, talking will be the same, noone is denying that. What wouldnt be the same is the volume levels.

Let's make this as clear as possible


If you and a friend was both recording a video at the same time, being across the street from each other, and he said HEY, then you said HEY, which would be louder in the video you recorded? And which would be louder on the video he recorded?

However in both videos at the part AFTER they both say woah, actor Bs (the guy who is seen in the first video recording with his cell phone) vocal volume is IDENTICAL in both videos. This is not possible unless the audio was from 1 source, and not 2 sources. Think back to my example again, and the conclusion YOU came to for that exercise.


I dare anyone to prove me wrong with FACTS not opinions.

Go for it.

Actually depending on whether or not audio compression is built into the phone/camera circuit it would be perfectly possible for the audio to be louder on or the same level on one phone even though it is further from the sound source.

That's not taking into account the fact that the microphone in that phone model may be more sensitive or that it may switch audio mode when recording.

As we don't know the models of either phone (assuming they are different, which they may not be) such comparisons can't be made and the amplitude of the sound relating to distance can not be judged or compared.

There are a few other reason why this may happen like standing waves and such but details seem arbitrary unless we know the exact circuitry and positioning of the microphones and the algorithms of any effects.

reply to post by DeboWilliams


Okay guy 2 in his video went up by -9db, guy number 1 went up by -10db however you want to look at it. Guy 1 is louder much louder then guy 2 when he screams. Hes much louder all around in both videos. Guy 2 is not very loud. In 2 hes comes off louder but not by much as he is talking normal. When he screams his scream is not as loud as guy 1's was. Do you understand what I am saying?

Like I said if I knew someone who would do this with me I could prove you wrong.

Does a pitch in a voice effect the DB as well I believe it does?

Originally posted by bisonpowers

Originally posted by DeboWilliams

Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

The videos were taken by people who were 10 feet apart with 2 different cameras talking will be the same. Please go test this and prove me wrong that the audio should not be almost the exact same if not the same. That is all I ask of this audio.

As for saying 2-4 are a hoax or if they turn out to be then 1 loses all its flavor per say? No thats why people would make these diss info video's. To kill the real one off.

Yes, talking will be the same, noone is denying that. What wouldnt be the same is the volume levels.

Let's make this as clear as possible


If you and a friend was both recording a video at the same time, being across the street from each other, and he said HEY, then you said HEY, which would be louder in the video you recorded? And which would be louder on the video he recorded?

However in both videos at the part AFTER they both say woah, actor Bs (the guy who is seen in the first video recording with his cell phone) vocal volume is IDENTICAL in both videos. This is not possible unless the audio was from 1 source, and not 2 sources. Think back to my example again, and the conclusion YOU came to for that exercise.


I dare anyone to prove me wrong with FACTS not opinions.

Go for it.

Actually depending on whether or not audio compression is built into the phone/camera circuit it would be perfectly possible for the audio to be louder on or the same level on one phone even though it is further from the sound source.

That's not taking into account the fact that the microphone in that phone model may be more sensitive or that it may switch audio mode when recording.

As we don't know the models of either phone (assuming they are different, which they may not be) such comparisons can't be made and the amplitude of the sound relating to distance can not be judged or compared.

There are a few other reason why this may happen like standing waves and such but details seem arbitrary unless we know the exact circuitry and positioning of the microphones and the algorithms of any effects.

Oh yea, show me. That's what's this thread is about, proof. Prove it or else your just spitting crap on this thread.


SOMEBODY COME IN AND PROVE ME WRONG

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


That may be so but ALL religions state that their 'God/s' came from the sky. This site being of such universal interest throughout the religions only cements the fact that what ever happened here had to and has been seen by people of all faiths all over the world, thus posing the question - Who or what is God? This is why I feel that whatever happened at Temple Mount and to a lesser extent Utah happened there for a reason.

Watch this by Rik Clay: www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by Hitoshura

 

Need to know the exact location of the cam. I've requested the coordinates but I think its bedtime there now. To be continued...

Yeah I meant to try and guess by looking for the buildings you can see in the cam on google maps. The tall building to the left, etc. Not that it'll be easy, just saying incase you don't find the co-ords, or have problems.

reply to post by DeboWilliams


Debo! I think you are right! I confirmed your findings.

The guy holding the camera for video 2 should be louder in his own video! Yet his voice in his own video is the same volume as is found in video 1 which was further away.... HA!

Originally posted by macG84
reply to post by pharaohmoan

 

great post dude!

this explains it right there. i dont know why people are still fighting about rather its real or not!
it is real guys!
deal with it.
i think we should get to the next level on this.
what do u think

The funny thing about 'if it's real'lmaf,lol,lmaf,....NOW WHAT ?
ITS THE FUNNIEST TREND IN UFOLOGY,they argue for days whether its real or not but the ultimate question is, OK...Now what?

Ok its real, Now what? WHAT! WHAT’S NEXT HUH ?
ITS REAL, all of you have submitted your lil evidence and its real, ok...NOW WHAT ?

AND BY THE WAY, they was really good, good acting, good pinpoint accuracy going to the spot, good every thing, but they made one mistake...they switched cameras, if the cameras wasn’t switched then...

Originally posted by Ashtrei

Originally posted by Quartza
This audio evidence is crazy. Just watched the video and I can tell that the wave forms are similar but not exeact...just as it should be if two device were recording in the same area.

I agree i hear nothing conclusive in the two audios that prove this was a hoax, they sound as i would expect them to sound under the circumstances described

I think the audio complaints are a red herring. A whole lot of to do about nothing. One thing that can easily explain different sound levels for the two different recordings is wind. I was in Aruba for New Years a few years ago and fireworks were going off all over the island for a week straight. There is a constant wind blowing over Aruba which keeps it's climate cooler than your typical desert island.

When we would camp out downwind the fireworks sounded like they were right in our laps, even when they were far away. On New Year's we were on top of the golf course at the upwind side of the island, and we never heard a single firework, even though the entire island was going insane.

Funny how being on top of a windy hill can affect audible sounds.

Originally posted by pharaohmoan
Some guy by the name of Pharaohmoan1 actually went out of his way and put his money where his mouth is and do an analysis on the forth video, so you folk out there crying hoax why don't you do some legwork also.......seeing as it SO EASY!

The fact remains someone spent a lot of time and effort to PIXEL BY PIXEL create the effects you see in a stripped back clean up of the 4th video as witness in Pharoahmoan1's video analysis.

Now unless someones motive were to promote the next bat man movie, my guess is most people would not bother to go to such an elaborate process. IMO only a movie studio could create the detail I see in the 4th footage! And for all those about to BARK, do it recreate the same kinda video WITH the same chaotic pixilation and distortions frame by frame, otherwise ZIP IT, I don't wanna hear it!

SO EVERYONE, STFU, WATCH THE VIDEO ANALYSIS AND THEN DECIDE and see if it brings us any closer to whichever truth it is we are seeking!

laymanskeptic debunked it and did the footwork here


www.abovetopsecret.com...






How this works
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by DeboWilliams

 

Okay guy 2 in his video went up by -9db, guy number 1 went up by -10db however you want to look at it. Guy 1 is louder much louder then guy 2 when he screams. Hes much louder all around in both videos. Guy 2 is not very loud. In 2 hes comes off louder but not by much as he is talking normal. When he screams his scream is not as loud as guy 1's was. Do you understand what I am saying?

Like I said if I knew someone who would do this with me I could prove you wrong.

Does a pitch in a voice effect the DB as well I believe it does?

Your missing the point, guy 2 is the exact same volume in both videos. The only legit reason this could happen, is if both cameras had the exact same orientation from him, and he was the exact same distance from both cameras, speaking in the same direction. They would both have to be the exact same phone model.

| | |

camera 1 facing foward----------guy facing forward----------camera 2 facing forward


Like that diagram. and since we have 2 videos we know the orientation of said objects.

Prove me wrong

in addition one device may have had a forward mounted mic, while the others mic might have been on top of the device, either way the audio is not to my mind conclusive proof that the vid is faked.

Originally posted by pharaohmoan
Some guy by the name of Pharaohmoan1 actually went out of his way and put his money where his mouth is and do an analysis on the forth video, so you folk out there crying hoax why don't you do some legwork also.......seeing as it SO EASY!

The fact remains someone spent a lot of time and effort to PIXEL BY PIXEL create the effects you see in a stripped back clean up of the 4th video as witness in Pharoahmoan1's video analysis.

Now unless someones motive were to promote the next bat man movie, my guess is most people would not bother to go to such an elaborate process. IMO only a movie studio could create the detail I see in the 4th footage! And for all those about to BARK, do it recreate the same kinda video WITH the same chaotic pixilation and distortions frame by frame, otherwise ZIP IT, I don't wanna hear it!

SO EVERYONE, STFU, WATCH THE VIDEO ANALYSIS AND THEN DECIDE and see if it brings us any closer to whichever truth it is we are seeking!

Flag for you sir! Great analysis of the light on the dome. And you know, heh, it does kind of look like an angel doesn't it?

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
I see this hoax is still kicking. Funny how the lunatic fringe is not interested in the so called "witnesses" still. They continue to evade being interviewed, still. Not to mention the instances of deception in the audio of video #2 actually being the audio from video number 1. As deebowilliams exposed earlier the fringe continues to ignore these factors. Then we have video number 4 with CGI imposed it the video as provided by a ATS member. This is more then obvious that it is a hoax. I don't think people are willing to accept that. The party behind video 1 and 2 are being dishonest with you and that is an understatement.

The Hoaxers probably did not realize this would end up in the national spot light. They will have to answer for their crimes when exposed thoroughly. People YOU HAVE BEEN HAD! Face it, a bunch of teens got over on you. This is just another example of how sheepish people have become. Lets be realistic here, you know damn well that if you or I seen this happen and filmed it and uploaded it to youtube that you would cooperate promptly with media outlets and the UFO community. But we are not talking about 2 guys on a hill but potentially up to 6 kids. And not one of them not even a name has surfaced. These instances are insurmountable for me to support in my conscious being. This is such a cruel hoax it makes me vomit a little in the back of my throat.

The fringe enables deceivers and disinformation , they are working against their own interests rather engaging a belief over logic and truth. Some people seriously need to do some personal inventory and ask thyself what do they want, truth or fantasy?

This is appalling

edit on 3-2-2011 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)

You might be right, but starting out by calling believers the lunatic fringe just gets their backs up, it's not helping. Same with Debo and the stick this in your pipe and smoke it comment earlier. It might be funny, but it just makes the whole thing go in circles. If you're really that bothered how about not winding them up? It's almost like both sides are programmed to argue constantly, and the people trying to research have to waste time trawling through it all to find anything.

reply to post by DeboWilliams


Where is your microphone located on your phone? As you see above someone has posted the same thing I did. Except I want you to tell me. Where is the microphone on your phone? You cant go by the volume of the voice you just can not. It isnt terrible evidence, but you just can not say it debunks it.

Edited: I asked what phone you have I will post my phone. www.apple.com...

now say you have a blackberry there is one mic and its garbage and its right on top.

reply to post by pharaohmoan


You and whoever made that video really needs to watch this:

www.videocopilot.net...

If you have 38 minutes spare time... watch ALL of the above video, you will be amazed.

You will learn something too!

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by DeboWilliams

 

Debo! I think you are right! I confirmed your findings.

The guy holding the camera for video 2 should be louder in his own video! Yet his voice in his own video is the same volume as is found in video 1 which was further away.... HA!

edit on 3-2-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

I concur , I dont see why people are having such a hard time accepting this?

reply to post by pharaohmoan


I was going to post that same video, glad you beat me to it.

I'm grateful to the mod(s) who took this event out of hoax, but why not let csimon continue this new thread or add to his own?

Don't get me wrong Mr.Mask I respect all your posts and I respect you, but csimon deserves the lead on this since he originated this discussion. Maybe you could gift him all the stars and flags. ...my2cents

I haven't had the opportunity to digest all the pages of both threads, but this is one hell of a debate from what I've read thus far.

Anyways, if you look at the first video posted, and then look at the video of the supposed tourist video, I would say that the flash is a "camera flash" taken from where the tourists were.

www.youtube.com...

I don't know if this has been thrown out there (i haven't read every post), but it sure does looks like camera flashes. Tourists have camera's and are in a position to take quick snapshots. Their camera would have been directed at the unknown light and that in itself could have created a wider variance of light reflecting off of it. That is why it lit up a very large area in and around the object?

If this has been brought up in discussion, could someone please lead me to the page(s) so I can read the debate on this theory?

I'll try and keep up from now on (rubbing eyes). Thanks Mr. Mask for all your time involved.

Guz

reply to post by FlySolo


That was a great analysis of the video!! This so called "hoax" is far from over.

The mods need to be patient with this thread on not move it or do anything as I for see more evidence of this coming to light in the next week or so.
If all the 2012ers who believe in the return of ETs are correct then we should indeed be seeing alot more sightings and events. With that, comes a lot of disinformation and hoaxes. So, lets prepare ourselves and may logic be with us!

reply to post by ExCloud


My mic is located below the keyboard. It does not matter how you try to spin it. Its just not possible. Even if the mic was located AWAY from one guy, the guy closer to the mic would be louder. I'm still waiting for someone to SHOW me some proof otherwise.

Everyone here must have a cellphone. You could even use your computer as one, open up windows sound recorder, walk 10 feet way from your computer, with your back to the computer press record on your cellphone and hold it like you was recording a video, now just say HEY your done.

Very simple for you guys to prove me wrong, I don't understand the delay, you guys are hasty to mouth off, but when you have a golden opportunity to shut me up, yall twiddle your thumbs.

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527

I just wanted to ask the mods, did one mod go over another mods head to let this trashy hokey ,hoary Hoxie thread come back ? Or was this a group effort, and decision by all mods? Or is this the new protocol for 2011 to accept ignorance ?

BARK BARK BARK, This majot event is not yet conclusive, sorry but is isn't, the audio evidence isn't convincing enough to drop this incident and brush of the complexity of the 4th video.

Put it this way if the mods do put this in the hoax forum without first having CONCLUSIVE evidence (and I don't buy the interlacing clap trap either), then sadly I won't be coming back to ATS, why? Because having made the effort to look at this event 'in detail' [see VIDEO ANALYSIS OF JERUSALEM UFO] I believe this event to be real. The implications of this being the case are far reaching and we have a responsibilty on ATS to act accordingly, many eyes are watching and what we say believe it or not can and does have an impact and everyone here should respect that fact and act responsibly before pushing unfounded, inconclusive arguements trying to debunk such a profound event!