Is this the End of the World - as we know it...?

Originally posted by beezzer
I honestly think we're seeing a cascade. Whether it's going to be well received or not?

The only problem is that when protests "for change" happen in (er) less restrained societies the protesters tend to end up as corpses. The cascade ends rather abruptly when the people in power don't give a ding-dong for the people they suppress. Just look to Iran and China as glowing examples of how authoritarian nations deal with inconvenient citizens.

Tunisia, Algeria and Egypt and a smattering of other nations in the Middle East who have notional democracy should see “people power” rewarded with change. The further East you go, the more trigger happy the authorities will be and the less likely that “people power” will result in anything except more graves and some stern words from our friends at the UN.

I suppose we just have to hope that in the melee and mayhem a worse bunch of bar-stewards don’t take over, like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt who will throw democracy out of the window, along with the hopes of a nation. It often happens in the Middle East that authoritarian leaders are replaced with another authoritarian leader – sometime often worse – take the Ayatollah as a good example. If people knew!

As for Israel / Iranian involvement. Give it a rest. Israel is on a leash. It has been much discussed on these Boards, but it is in Israeli interest (and the West’s) to sit back and see how change runs through the Middle East.

Regards

Whatever your faith or belief system, here's hoping the world doesn't descend into chaos.

Actually.......... Chaos is the only thing that can save us.

Hear me out.

TPTB have spent decades maybe centuries trying to manipulate and control the masses. They thrive on order. Look around you, all the rules western civilization imposes on the masses is an attempt to control chaos. Nature is chaos incarnate.

We all exist in a natural state of chaos. Order is death and chaos is life. TPTB would love nothing better than a word populated by zombie slaves they can control. That's order. Most people have been brainwashed to think order is the savior of humanity when in fact it is what will enslave us.

Our only hope is for things to get so out of control that even the PTB have to run and hide. Which they have prepared for. Do not fear chaos, fear order. It is the harbringer of death and enthropy.

You may not agree but you can't deny the truth. In chaos you are free but with order you have no choice but the choice your allowed to have. And that's not freedom.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


Everything that is going on is being orchestrated by 'interests' who think that they are doing God a service, but in reality they are 'of the spirit of antichrist'. They have worked very hard to make it look as though they are representatives of the Jesus the Christ, but in reality EVERYTHING that they do violates the true ten commandments of the Most High God, and the two other commandments given by Christ himself, which reaffirm the ten commandments. Everything they do does not represent the 'doctrine of Christ'. This may offend them, and all those in other religions who worship other gods, goddesses, or who don't worship any god at all, but this is the truth.

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd

Whatever your faith or belief system, here's hoping the world doesn't descend into chaos.

Actually.......... Chaos is the only thing that can save us.

Hear me out.

TPTB have spent decades maybe centuries trying to manipulate and control the masses. They thrive on order. Look around you, all the rules western civilization imposes on the masses is an attempt to control chaos. Nature is chaos incarnate.


We all exist in a natural state of chaos. Order is death and chaos is life. TPTB would love nothing better than a word populated by zombie slaves they can control. That's order. Most people have been brainwashed to think order is the savior of humanity when in fact it is what will enslave us.

Our only hope is for things to get so out of control that even the PTB have to run and hide. Which they have prepared for. Do not fear chaos, fear order. It is the harbringer of death and enthropy.

You may not agree but you can't deny the truth. In chaos you are free but with order you have no choice but the choice your allowed to have. And that's not freedom.

What you say has merit.

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I dont think it's just Egypt though is it? Seems to me that the pressure cooker that has been building up since 9/11 is now about to explode. Maybe the NWO dealt its cards too soon by giving all our money to the rich bankers and then try to throw us all onto the dole? Maybe people like Alex Jones and David Icke reached out to enough people to make them wake up and see what is happening? One things for sure, what is happening in Egypt now is coming to your doorstep soon...

Originally posted by GamesKillFreedom
the day is coming for world war 3. there is so much that is leading towards it. and with obama in office he's probably going to ruin us as the leading world power.

The day has been coming for WW 3 since the end of WW2. Sorry but if it hasn't happened yet I doubt it ever will happen. Technically WW 3 has already happened. The first war in Iraq was a coalition of almost every country in the world. What classifies a World War multiple nations at war together. So therefore we have already technically had it.

That being said. The coup in Russia back in the early 90's was supposed to be the beginning of WW 3. The Berlin Wall fell and it was supposed to be WW 3 because the Russians were gonna take over Germany. Again nothing happened. The Chinese were in North Korea during the Korean war and nothing happened then either. Sorry but the Middle East is not important enough to cause WW 3. Almost all of those countries could be swatted off the map without any retaliation from anyone. So I am not sure how it is going to spark WW 3.

Worse yet, it could be a simple matter of time before an Iranian-Syrian-Lebanese alliance forces military action by aggressing Israel. We all know that such an alliance is capable and extremely motivated to do so... Conversely, Israel gets edgy and issues preemptive strikes. That would be it - World War 3.

All I have to say to this is check out the following link on the six day war. Israel doesn't need the US to back it up which is one of the reasons I am a strong advocate of leaving Israel to fend for itself. They defended themselves successfully against attacks from Jordan, Syria, and Egypt all at once and they not only fought off the attack. They took land from all three countries as well some of which they still hold. So I highly doubt that a coalition of countries again Israel would be successful, nor do I think they will try again.

www.sixdaywar.org...

Also Israel more then likely has nukes but by all rights they should have none at all. Iran does not have anything more then nuclear ambitions that I am aware of. Though they may have some dirty bombs or stolen war-heads. In fact I am more then sure that aside from some rogue weapons there aren't any middle eastern countries that actually possess nuclear arms. I personally think things in Egypt will tame down now that the cabinet has been fired, but only time will tell. I highly doubt that the president will step down. From what I read today it would seem that the Islamic extremists have come into the game. This I find ironic as I have seen people posting that this is all part of an American plan. I can promise you that last thing America wants is Islamic Extremist taking over Egypt.

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd

Whatever your faith or belief system, here's hoping the world doesn't descend into chaos.

Actually.......... Chaos is the only thing that can save us.

Hear me out.

TPTB have spent decades maybe centuries trying to manipulate and control the masses. They thrive on order. Look around you, all the rules western civilization imposes on the masses is an attempt to control chaos. Nature is chaos incarnate.

We all exist in a natural state of chaos. Order is death and chaos is life. TPTB would love nothing better than a word populated by zombie slaves they can control. That's order. Most people have been brainwashed to think order is the savior of humanity when in fact it is what will enslave us.

Our only hope is for things to get so out of control that even the PTB have to run and hide. Which they have prepared for. Do not fear chaos, fear order. It is the harbringer of death and enthropy.

You may not agree but you can't deny the truth. In chaos you are free but with order you have no choice but the choice your allowed to have. And that's not freedom.

Do you really think that chaos is needed to wake everyone up? I'm unsure. I mean on one hand, I think we as the world in general need something to help wake people up, maybe help people see the world in a different way or bring about the changes that you mention. But by chaos do you mean by pretty much starting World War III? I think that change might be needed but I'm unsure as something like that would be what we need. I mean I can't help but think more deaths and more suffering is what we should be trying to reduce, instead of increase.

On the actual topic mentioned though, I can only hope that it's just something that'll end sooner rather than later. I've got to admit, I'm not really in the know too much about the whole rioting so I'm probably talking more from a general view but it does seem to be quite crazy over there at the moment.
Also, I like the point you made about Al-Jazeera,l too find it's pretty strange how the Western media almost tries to portray it as some terrorist, backwards TV channel almost. Maybe I'm going a little overboard but I think if you asked the average Joe his view on the channel, it'd be quite negative when it's actually nowhere near as bad as I think people make it out.

I see many on this thread quoting the holy books of christians and moslems.I don't want to attack any one's religion here.I hold christian beliefs.However the truth is that those same holy books that so many love to quote from are not the original books of their religions.They have been added to and have had passages deleted from them many times over many years.I understand that the radical moslems have altered the Koran to suit their radical beliefs.The present bible bares no resemblence to the original book having been altered in the thirteenth century by king James to suit his agenda.Have you ever wondered why in the bible Jesus goes from a child to 30 years old.Why is there no mention of his siblings .
We must take the predictions laid down in these books with a grain of salt.Could this be the end of the world ......maybe yes maybe no.I think that today all countries know the results of a nuclear exchange.This is a no win for all involved.Do you really think that any one will want to rule a wasteland?Even the power mad have limits to what they will chance.
I think that it will lead to some changes in the alignment of middle eastern states and little more.

On the actual topic mentioned though, I can only hope that it's just something that'll end sooner rather than later. I've got to admit, I'm not really in the know too much about the whole rioting so I'm probably talking more from a general view but it does seem to be quite crazy over there at the moment.
Also, I like the point you made about Al-Jazeera,l too find it's pretty strange how the Western media almost tries to portray it as some terrorist, backwards TV channel almost. Maybe I'm going a little overboard but I think if you asked the average Joe his view on the channel, it'd be quite negative when it's actually nowhere near as bad as I think people make it out.

Al-Jazeera is basically the Middle East equivalent of CNN. There is absolutely nothing wrong with there reporting. I think a lot of the dislike stems from the fact that CNN, FOX and MSNBC were being scooped by Al-Jazeera during the second Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan. The other reason would be that all the tapes sent in by Al Qaeda was sent to Al-Jazeera. So basically its jealousy out of the fact that they scoop the American media.

reply to post by CholmondleyWarner


Talking heads on MSN, especially on FOX News, are saying that what is going on in Egypt will effect everything going on in the US, and soon. Crude oil prices are already going up, which causes fuel costs to go up, and the cost of everything else to go up. America and its cities are deeply in the hole financially. The number of jobless are going up by the thousands everyday. The list of problems is overwhelming and seemingly unmanageable. Its not going to end well people! Might want to ask Christ to forgive you, while you still have time.

Is this the end of the world as we know it? That is anyone's guess. I dare say that for some it is and will ultimately be, the end of the world as they know it or have come to know it. What I can say is that in a way, I do hope this is the beginning of the end of the world as we know it. And no, not in a fear mongering, put on your tin foil hat and dive under your desk to escape the nuclear fallout kind of way. I do enough of that as it is, trust me on that. But here is why I say this....little tiny Tunisia stood up and said loudly "ENOUGH"....Yemen, Egypt and Jordan followed suit..... today there were demonstrations in Turkey, UK, USA and Canada in support for the protesters in Egypt as if lending them their strength to push forward for change... to be heard in a world sometimes too loud with what the leaders want trumping what the people want. Its global voices starting to be heard and not GLOBALIST voices being heard. And yes, do I think that the possibility is strong that what started this was not just a bunch of folks yelling out of their windows "We are mad as hell and we are not gonna take it anymore?" and perhaps another goverment causing unrest to topple a government or 2? Of course I do. But sometimes what causes the actions is not as important as the end result. What that end result is, who can know.... we can only hope.

Will this translate into a move towards everyone holding hands and singing a round or 2 of Kumba Yah (or however its spelled), no. And I'm not trying to imply that. But its a start in at least in the direction of change of some kind that we have all been waiting for.

reply to post by LanMan54


Seriously did you just say that? Well you go right ahead and pray to your god. I will continue to live my life and not crawl into a dark corner and cry fearing for my life for what is left of it.

Honestly I don't understand how someone can quote biblical stuff and speak of forgiveness etc. When they don't even seem to have peace in there own heart. I mean here you are preaching to beg for forgiveness but yet you are reacting like a scared child who has no faith in the good will of said god.

Originally posted by wavemaker

Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

 

The US really has to make a Final Decission as to whether is Supports Dictators or Not.
They always choose the ones that best supports the US Agenda, even if that means they are a Dictator.
It's all coming back now, and it's biting the US in the Arse.

The worst thing that can happen now, is the White House still Interferring in the Mid-East.
Unfortunately, the US has to Interfer with everything, they can't help themselves.

If anyone is interested here's a short list of the Dictators around the world the USA has
supported over the years either by supplying Free Money, Cheap Loans, Military Arms even WMD's
anything to make a quick buck. It is also Interesting it doesn't matter if Republicans or Democrats were in power.

Emperor Bao Dai, Vietnam: 1926-1945
Ngo Dinh Diem, South Vietnam: 1955-1963
Chiang Kai-shek, China: 1928-1949
Syngman Rhee, South Korea:1948-1960
Park Chung Hee, South Korea:1960-1979
General Chun Doo Hwan, South Korea:1980-1988
Laurent Kabila, Congo DR: 1997-2001
di Amin, Uganda: 1971-1979
General Sani Abacha, Nigeria: 1993-1999
Francisco Franco, Spain: 1939-1975
General Humberto Castelo Branco, Brazil: 1964-1966
Marco Vinicio Cerezo Arévalo, Guatemala: 1985-1991
Roberto Suazo Cَrdova, Honduras: 1981-1985
Anastasio Somoza, Nicaragua:1936-1956
General Suharto, Indonesia:1967-1999
Colonel Hugo Banzer Suarez, Bolivia: 1971-1978
Reza Muhammed Shah Pahlawi, Iran:1941-1979
Augusto Ugarte Pinnochet, Chile: 1973-1990
Fulgencio Batista, Cuba:1940-44 and 1952-1959
P.W. Botha, South Africa: 1978-1989
Saddam Hussein, Iraq: 1979-
Muammar al-Qaddafi, Libya: 1969-
Rafael Leonidas Molina Trujillo, Dominican Republic: 1930-1960
Porfirio Diaz, Mexico: 1876-1880 and 1884-1911
Morena Manuel Antonio Noriega, Panama: 1983-1989
Anwar Al Saddat, Egypt: 1970-1981
Husni Mubarak, Egypt: 1981-
King Hussein, Jordan: 1952-1999
King Abdulla, Jordan: 1999-
Francois Duvalier, Haiti: 1957-1971
Jean-Claude Duvalier, Haiti: 1971-1986

You forgot to include Ferdinand Marcos from the Philippines (1965-1986). He is the person responsible for the first successful People Power revolt in the modern era.

Dunno how I forgot that one.
I have some spanish friends, every time you bring up the subject of spain they go on hours about Marcos.

I have been saying for a while all of this stuff is gonna lead to WW3.

reply to post by lonegurkha


You could be right, however, global events are compounding themselves and growing in frequency. The likelyhood that what is going on could spiral out of control is high. Nuclear weapons are old weapons technologies. New weapons technologies exist that, if used, could be just as deadly, if not more so, than nuclear weapons. This doesn't mean that limited use of nuclear weapons could not occur. Just have to wait and see.

reply to post by Forestieri


I'm not saying we need war and death and destruction to wake people up. Those people who are not ready to wake up will never wake up even if a nuke goes off next to them. What I'm saying is that in a world dominated with order there will be fewer people waking up because they will be so brain dead they won't have the motivation to question where they are headed.

Chaos is the master principle of change. Change can destroy and create. There will always be death and there will always be suffering. Personally I would rather face those situations on my terms rather than the orchestrated plan of a group of power hungry ego maniacs.

We have been conditioned to love the prison we live in. But deep down inside you there is a fire that will never be put out. That fire feeds on chaos. It promotes growth of character and spirit.

reply to post by LanMan54


I read an article a couple of years ago in a magazine written by a military officer who said that the war college had gamed out every type of limited exchange they could think of and they all ended with the launch of all the avalible weapons and the total annilation of the planet.

reply to post by Phantom28804


Not forcing you to accept anything. If you don't want to believe in Christ, and don't want to accept Christ as your savior, thats you're descision. Just suggested it. God will sort it all out in the end.

Well I am done with this topic. I feel like no one is even reading what I have to say, so I am moving on. Have fun continuing the end of the world in your minds and I will continue to ignore the news as much as possible. Whether you like it or not the Mainstream media is in the business of fear mongering. They love to throw out every single possible worst case scenario they can think of. Just reference after 9/11 all the possible terrorist scenarios. That is what they do. It's what sells and what gets people watching. The more you watch the more you will get sucked into the paranoia and fear yourselves until you are watching every hour, min, and second just to see what happens next.

This like everything else that happens will settle down and it will end and the world will go on living along with all of us. The ones you should be thinking of are the innocent police and rioters that are being injured and or killed right now. Just because there are a small group of rioters in the in one country does not mean that it is spreading through the middle east. I think there was a handful of protesters arrested in Saudi Arabia that had nothing to do with anything that is currently going on, but yet it has been pulled into this as well. It's the media that is feeding you doom and gloom and the longer you let them the longer you will be in fear. That's just my two cents but I am choosing to exit this convo not because I'm scared to face the truth, but because I refuse to let myself fall into the fear mongering scheme of the powers that be and the mainstream media.

A few people have said this is the agenda of the NWO. Personally I think the agenda of the NWO is for you all to be afraid of what is going on. They feed on fear tactics and disinformation yet there is a good many people in this forum that are letting them do exactly what they like to do.