Is this the End of the World - as we know it...?

Originally posted by Haydn_17
I dont think it's the end of the world.

If Israel did attack Iran or vice versa and nuclear weapons was used, the Allies, Europe, the US and Canada would reduce Iran and the other nations to sand.

Like it or not Israel has the full backing on the US and Europe, no nukes would reach America or Europe, our nuclear defence shields would be too hightech for low budget built iranian nukes.

Russia has no interest in backing Iran, neither does North Korea or China.

I totally concur. Sounds more like Doomsayers preaching scare tactics. My apologies, but that's what I get from that.

Originally posted by fixer1967
The world as we have all grown to know and love is already gone. It has been gone for a couple of years now. This new world is just getting to go been seen for what it really is. I fear it is already far too late to do much about it. We had all the time and warnings in the world and we choose not to pay them any attention. So now we do not have any one but ourselves to blame. We let it get to a point of no return by just not doing any thing. "That is not my problem", "That can never happen", "That will never happen", "You watch too much TV", and I could go on and on but those excuses and the ones like them all point to the same thing. We let this happen right in front of us and we did nothing. We all played ostrich and buryed our heads in the sand not wanting to deal with the real world and guess what happened, the real world went on without us and while we were not paying it any attention it changed into something beyond our control. We let this happen and I am afraid we let it go too far and now we can not stop it. It still may be stoppable but a lot more people need to get there heads out of the sand and wake to see what is going on. But even now as we sit on the edge of the point of ne return only a small number of people really see the truth. Will enough come forth before it is too late? That remains to be seen.

What world is that ? Gone to far where ? Whats wrong with your life and world that changed 2 years ago ? Am I supposed to make a religious trek to every country that's in unrest ? Am I responsible for nations that have been bickering at each other for thousands of years ... I will worry about my family first, then my community, then my area, then my country. Then, maybe, I can help the rest of the planet, since they can't help themselves. At least you make it sound like the rest of the world can't help themselves. I think Egypt ( looters aside ) is a good example of people that want change and are taking action.

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if you dont mind can you briefe me on the status of the USA'a defence against intercontinental ballistic missle other than mutually assured destruction? I just dont see any on the west coast. Having been on a Pat. Site I know what they look like....ummm, just that I dont see them, so could you help me out here...you seem to one of those guys that are "in the Know" group that some of us are out of...hey thanks

reply to post by Haydn_17

Russia has no interest in backing Iran, neither does North Korea or China.

I thought the same myself before... but unfortunately it is not correct.

Business runs this world.

Russia, China, Iran redraw energy map

Also, it should be noted that Russian and Iranian english media largely agree on anti-zionist and anti-U.S. hegemony.(at least RT and PressTV) ETA: And anti-bankster and pro-9/11 truth - including Ahmadinejad.


As for the OP...

I would rather suggest that this is the beginning of the end for the 'traditional' PTB. I hope Egypt heeds the WL faxes, and starts a new form of gov't and doesn't just usher the opposition in. After all, the opposition is involved in the same corrupt game.

Unfortunately I think it will take a while before we know whether this will trigger a conflict in the larger middle east with Iran and Israel, etc.

I think we should all hope that this does not happen.

But what uncanny timing for the Zeitgeist release, huh?

Is this the End of the World - as we know it...?

Honestly i doubt it but i sure do hope so =\

Originally posted by VI0811

Originally posted by Haydn_17
I dont think it's the end of the world.

If Israel did attack Iran or vice versa and nuclear weapons was used, the Allies, Europe, the US and Canada would reduce Iran and the other nations to sand.

Like it or not Israel has the full backing on the US and Europe, no nukes would reach America or Europe, our nuclear defence shields would be too hightech for low budget built iranian nukes.

Russia has no interest in backing Iran, neither does North Korea or China.

I totally concur. Sounds more like Doomsayers preaching scare tactics. My apologies, but that's what I get from that.

Wow you and the poster you commented on here have rose colored glasses on dont you. You see what happens over there and anything could really, has nothing to do with what we comment on here on ATS, does it.All the Dooms-day preachers can go on the corners of Main Street USA and preach till their faces turn blue and that will have no bearring on the outcome of the Middle East. Let me ask you if you have been to a hard line Arab Nation? I have.And we westerners and pond sucking scum licking Dogs as far as they are concerned.And it really is that bad,yes they do think of us that way. Kinda hard of us white people here in the USA to imagine that much hate but it is alive in other parts of the world. And in some Black communities and on some Indian Reservations here.Even the Reservations in So.Cal....The Arab nations are the hub of the world.Thats where it all started...Egypt is the hub for the Arab Nations...Whats going on right now very well could change the world and very fast...didnt say dooms day cause I dont really think we humans can destroy the planet..its just too big

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I don't think it is as far as a stretch to consider your assertion here. I think the main thing you introduce is the idea of earth cycles and the civilizations that have come before us. I believe that everyone who visits or participates in ATS is to some degree, skeptical of Main Stream Anything, or is at least not readily to accept everything that one reads, hears, and learns, at face value.

Logically, everyone, depending upon the time one has available and the motivation, has the opportunity to uncover a lot of information and hopefully, develop a well rounded perspective. Nonetheless, some may have been introduced and are further down the rabbit hole than others. Granted, some of those rabbit holes my be dead end holes; no one can really know.

However, back to your statements ... I believe that one cannot take these current events out of context, which can occur even at the level of looking at these events as a simple "people rioting because they have been oppressed." Based upon the information I have come across, your mention and other stuff, I feel that we are approaching the end of one of these cycles. Your theory is as good as mine as to how it will play out, however, I believe that all this is connected to the current situation in the Middle East, vis a vis, inability or probability of TPTW to control a change.

One element of this that doesn't get a lot of play is the angle of banking. Many of us have been exposed to the banking scam a la the current Western Model. However, under Islamic law, interest (or usury) is forbidden. Many of these Islamic nations, with the exception of Saudi Arabia, have resisted usury to some degree or less. Interestingly, look at what happened in Dubai, under the Western Banking Model. For those that also follow the PM markets, Arabs have been shaken out of their gold positions. This has a tendency of upsetting a lot of people and rightly so.

Originally posted by Anttyk47

Is this the End of the World - as we know it...?

Honestly i doubt it but i sure do hope so =\

are you sure you hope so...a six pack of beer and turn on the car in the garage and turn on the I-pod and you can go when you want to.....why do you think you can speak for me and the rest of us about such things. Think about something,,,Egypt is right now going through a change,so did Russia. Those people are still going to work and paying taxes.why would you think anything would be different here or the world over with a large crisis. WWII happened and everybody in all those countries still works and pays taxes BOO HOO !!!!

reply to post by VI0811


Print my post out and save it. There will be a day when you understand it.

I do not think that the riots in the middle east are the end of the world. I also don't think this is the first time that the Middle east has had riots. There is political unrest in the African continent on almost a daily basis but it's not even newsworthy anymore.

I still fail to understand why everything has to be a sign of the end. There are a lot of people on here that claim they don't believe in the whole 2012 thing, but they surely are quick to say 2012 is right around the corner and look at the world right now.

Why can't anything have a positive outlook? Why does every little thing that happens have to be a sign of the end of the world? It makes no sense to me at all why everyone is so obsessed with dying lately. The world is what it is and there is nothing we can do to change it. I just read a post that was basically saying we let this happen. How did we let the Egyptians riot? I fail to see how we let any of what is happening aside from global warming happen. I mean "The powers that be" did not create the rotation of the magnetic pole, they didn't create solar flares, or disdain with the way your country is being run. Sorry but I just don't see it.

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However, back to your statements ... I believe that one cannot take these current events out of context, which can occur even at the level of looking at these events as a simple "people rioting because they have been oppressed." Based upon the information I have come across, your mention and other stuff, I feel that we are approaching the end of one of these cycles.

Personally, I think people are rioting because of the Earth's magnetic field is constantly changing, and as we of the human race have iron in our bodies, it stands to reason a magnetic change would have an effect on us. Even animals are acting funny, at least in these part of the woods.

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Why are you criticising Fixer's post in such a personal way (IE - assuming something must be wrong with his/her life - etc)..??

Fixer referred to a changed world, and for some reason you started to question that, in a base and uncalled-for manner. Newsflash - the world has changed, drastically, for the worse, in the past 70 years or so. Advances in technology and home comforts don't make up for degradations in standards of behaviour amongst the general populace.

It's clear to anyone who pays attention to global news that the current events in the Middle East may well represent the start of some major conflict in that region, which could overspill and impact the rest of the world - in terrible ways we almost dare not imagine.. Doomsayer I'm not, but neither am I unschooled in Eschatology or unobservant of the horrendous nature of international politics. Whether or not people believe in a religious interpretation of what's going on, there are suggestions that certain groups pull strings to reflect prophecy, as part of a control agenda.

Most people would watch with horror if / when the world descends into chaos, amazed that they didn't see it coming. 'Switch on America / Britain's Got Talent and pretend it isn't happening'.

Fixer made it quite clear - and I second his/her insight - that the attitudes prevalent in modern society are so deeply embedded in the collective psyche, that it is unlikely anything will 'change for the better'... Only time will tell, but it's probably a good time to work on becoming 'wise as serpents, innocent as lambs'.

Rabies flu air born super resistant and the situation in Egypt
Potentially deadly superbugs can be spread by flies from farms to people living miles away, scientists warned last night.Researchers have found disturbing evidence that houseflies and cockroaches carry antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria normally found in the guts of livestock.when resistant bacteria transfer from animals to humans.'

Moreover, it must be considered that vaccines exert eventual selective pressure on the evolution of pathogenicity and influence the generation of new virus strains.

As people clash and riots break out, medical services cut, and an out break occurs. this what the problems we face in the coming months as people pick up super bugs when grids and services are cut or unable to maintain sanitation.

The End of the world as we know it? I agree with a poster above who said that they "certainly hope so". Everyone should know that change (drastic change) of any form does not usually come easily... and as far as I can tell the Earth is in need of a massive overhaul of its thousands of years old ideologies. I do not live in the Middle East but I see what is going on and I like it! If only westerners would wake up as well then maybe these changes could begin to occur. Personally, I am willing to sacrifice all that I have and the entire world as we know it, so that my children can live in the a world that is not one we know...

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


I do think this is something we should be concerned about, but further US intervention in the Middle East will only complicate matters more. We do have security concerns with Iran, but that's a different situation than us trying to stabilize or influence the outcomes of revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt. As for Israel's concerns, at this point I am done with defending Israel. Continued human rights violations, racial/religious segregation, and blocking shipments of food and water have pretty much said to me that they need to be on their own. While it's good to have a friend in the Middle East, being buddy-buddy with Israel is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. It just disgusts me that a state that was created out of the necessity to avoid religious/racial discrimination is now one of the worst violators of racial and religious discrimination in the world, with a Middle Eastern version of Apartheid to boot. Not to mention the fact that they went back on their own agreement with the UN and other nations to NOT claim Jerusalem as their capitol or a city in their country (originally it was supposed to be an "international" city due to the city being the "center" of three religions).

Granted, that situation changes if Israel is attacked unprovoked by Iran with nuclear weapons, but that's something we need to take up with the Iranians and is a vital part of our national security as well. And we can't just blow up Iran because we think they may be causing a problem. But Israel needs to be taught a lesson on human rights before they can expect further US support.

Interesting perspective on the events in the middle east:



Now, take it for what is worth:

1. First MSM (MSNBC & Fox) mention that looting is taking place.
2. Then Fox says (just a rumor) the Egyptian Military & People are saying that the Police are dressing up in street clothes and are the ones perpetrating the looting, trying to draw stronger police involvement.

Hmm. If this were true, it is reminiscent of the G20 meeting in Toronto, where police dressed up as protesters to incite a bad reaction. This give credit to Tarpley's POV.

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to sand....ahahah ur funny....NOT

Every day is the end of the world for somebody.

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment

However - observe that Hezbolah are now positioned to gain governmental power in Lebanon. In itself, that's motivation for the US to step up its presence in the region.

Worse yet, it could be a simple matter of time before an Iranian-Syrian-Lebanese alliance forces military action by aggressing Israel. We all know that such an alliance is capable and extremely motivated to do so... Conversely, Israel gets edgy and issues preemptive strikes. That would be it - World War 3.

We don't owe Israel anything!!! It's their backyard let them take care of it! They've been getting billions of military aid from the U.S. for years and I'm sure they have enough advanced military technology to defend themselves. It's time our government stops sending billions of aid overseas for their failed foreign policies, and start using it at home! Lord knows we need it here!