Is this the End of the World - as we know it...?

I've been looking over the English Al Jazeera - Middle East Summary and I have to say, it's incredibly worrying that so much coordinated unrest is being seen throughout the region. Egypt is all over our mainstream news simply because it's risen beyond the PTB ability to reasonably contain the information. Social Media can be thanked for that.

Yemen, Tunisia, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt. All have seen coordinated rioting and protests in the past week.

Iran just hanged two protestors (arrested in 2009 who had protested against an apparently rigged election); it seems they are making sure that nobody in their jurisdiction has the courage to follow the rest of the Middle Eastern Arab states in protesting their government's corruption.

I know from reading many responses in several Egypt-related threads that some people think it's an overreaction to say that this could be the spark that lights the touchpaper for large-scale war in the Middle East, possibly even leading to World War 3...

However - observe that Hezbolah are now positioned to gain governmental power in Lebanon. In itself, that's motivation for the US to step up its presence in the region.

Worse yet, it could be a simple matter of time before an Iranian-Syrian-Lebanese alliance forces military action by aggressing Israel. We all know that such an alliance is capable and extremely motivated to do so... Conversely, Israel gets edgy and issues preemptive strikes. That would be it - World War 3.

Also worth mentioning is that rumours abound concerning an Iranian fleet possibly readying itself to head up the Suez canal to moor off-coast from Lebanon. With Egypt in a state of chaos, who would prevent such a movement? (Discussed in this thread - Western Military Fleets are heading to Lebanon and Israel's army is on full alert...)

With Egypt impotent and ineffective as a result of these massive protests, not only would Iran have free passage into the danger zone, but the US would have two convenient excuses to step in and help the Israelis..

Also note the timing of the wikileaks of papers suggesting a greater level of collusion between the Palestinian Authority and the Israelis - see HERE. The old adage of a single puppetmaster drawing his tools of war into position starts to seem less than far-fetched when the leaks are taken in context with the Palestinian response to their contents and interpretation by Al Jazeera.

Special note - Have you noticed how the Western media tends to portray Al-Jazeera as an amateurish, terrorist-led network? Having read through their site for the first time today, I was extremely surprised, and ashamed that I'd been subconsciously affected to such a degree by the propaganda machine of the USA / UK.

In conclusion - the level to which, and order in which this massive unrest has grown in the region is possibly indicative of a deliberate act of collusion by certain PTB. We all know the conspiracy tales of the PTB wanting to recreate Biblical prophecy. We mostly are aware that in such prophecies, after a time of chaos, a leader, a man of peace would apparently emerge who would become either the Antichrist or the Mahdi, depending on your religious persuasion. Could such a time really be upon us? The signs are increasing, and I don't buy the old "nothing to see here, nothing new under the Sun in the Middle East, they've been at it for decades" line. The way in which these situations have escalated, and the incorporation of suspect wikileaks info at a critical moment in time, smacks of iron fists within slinky velvet gloves.

i also get a lot of my news coverage from here:
www.aawsat.com...

yeah, the big, western MSM look at the eastern sources as high-schoolish productions...

Really well written thread! Star and Flag!

This is all an excellent example of people power, and I would say that the folks at the top all over the world, will be feeling a cold chill running down the length of their spines.

The TUC and students in the UK have united in protest today also. Then we have reforms currently taking place in the Republic of Ireland.

So many have promised change and failed to deliver, now it is time for the people to step up to the mark.

I dont think it's the end of the world.

If Israel did attack Iran or vice versa and nuclear weapons was used, the Allies, Europe, the US and Canada would reduce Iran and the other nations to sand.

Like it or not Israel has the full backing on the US and Europe, no nukes would reach America or Europe, our nuclear defence shields would be too hightech for low budget built iranian nukes.

Russia has no interest in backing Iran, neither does North Korea or China.

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If Israel did attack Iran or vice versa and nuclear weapons was used, the Allies, Europe, the US and Canada would reduce Iran and the other nations to sand.

I'm a little confused here..
Are you saying if Israel attacked Iran then The Allies would nuke Iran??
That doen't make much sense to me..
Why not nuke the aggressor??

Or are you one of the "Israel can do no wrong" people.??/

Thanks for the interest and replies thus far. I'm a little tied up at the moment, but here's something I thought might prove interesting in the upcoming analysis of 'global events reflecting prophecy':

AshleyD's Research Collaboration into Christian/Muslim Eschatology


Hope it's of interest - I'll come back later with some more thoughts and hopefully sources, specific issues of note.

Whatever your faith or belief system, here's hoping the world doesn't descend into chaos.

The world as we have all grown to know and love is already gone. It has been gone for a couple of years now. This new world is just getting to go been seen for what it really is. I fear it is already far too late to do much about it. We had all the time and warnings in the world and we choose not to pay them any attention. So now we do not have any one but ourselves to blame. We let it get to a point of no return by just not doing any thing. "That is not my problem", "That can never happen", "That will never happen", "You watch too much TV", and I could go on and on but those excuses and the ones like them all point to the same thing. We let this happen right in front of us and we did nothing. We all played ostrich and buryed our heads in the sand not wanting to deal with the real world and guess what happened, the real world went on without us and while we were not paying it any attention it changed into something beyond our control. We let this happen and I am afraid we let it go too far and now we can not stop it. It still may be stoppable but a lot more people need to get there heads out of the sand and wake to see what is going on. But even now as we sit on the edge of the point of ne return only a small number of people really see the truth. Will enough come forth before it is too late? That remains to be seen.

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Well done. Thank you. S&F&

I agree - Al Jazeera seems to be a very good news network. ...The thing I love about the Net is that I can get the same "news" from all over the planet, read the sometimes completely different interpretations and have a better ability to understand more objectively.

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Haydn_17

 

If Israel did attack Iran or vice versa and nuclear weapons was used, the Allies, Europe, the US and Canada would reduce Iran and the other nations to sand.

I'm a little confused here..
Are you saying if Israel attacked Iran then The Allies would nuke Iran??
That doen't make much sense to me..
Why not nuke the aggressor??

Or are you one of the "Israel can do no wrong" people.??/


Troll for a response much?

(off topic and combative).

I think a little historical perspective would be useful around here.
The thing in Egypt doesn't add up to a hill of beans from the perspective of say the cold war, ww2, ww1 and the countless thousands (if not millions) of mass revolutions military coups beheading of the ruling classes etc etc that have happened in just the last few thousand years.

I guess it depends broadly on how you define "as we know it" but my grandmother is 101 this year, shes lived through far worse then this and her world hasn't ended just changed a bit.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


Interesting times indeed.

I want to present one little item that may also play into the mix.

Egypt Islamic authority halts dialogue with Vatican
www.haaretz.com...

S&F

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


Yes, I think this is the beginning of the end of the world. Earth runs on a cycle, anyone who has studies these matters has knowledge of this. 4 or 5 high civilizations have been destroyed before this time, the Hopi and other Native Tribes speak of this. How else would one explain sea shells on mountains and ancient cities under the sea? The mountain ranges were not "pushed up" by plate tectonics, they were pulled up by a strong magnetic force of a close pass of a large planetary body, a body that I strongly believe is incoming as I write this. In every culture there are tales of "Nemesis," "The Blue Star," "Wormwood." "The Destroyer," "Planet X," and many other names. These ancient people were not writing fiction stories, they were trying to warn future generations of a coming disaster!

Nemesis

Hopi Blue Star or Blue Kachina Prophecy

Wormwood

The Destroyer

Planet X - Nibiru

Does anyone really think these are different things, different events? Or are they rather different telling of the same event? Or were the Ancients just writing down fairy tales for our enjoyment? You make the call.

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Please correct me if I am wrong. While Things may not add up to a hill of beans now, if the Middle Eastern countries were to become united as one sharia block...then what? There is a great divide in poverty vs wealth throughout the Middle East, and that can be a revolutionaries dream. I will not pretend to understand sharia, but I'll bet the poor through out the Middle East could easily be lead into thinking they 'deserve' some of Saudis' wealth, for example. Could this not be the intent of the Muslim Brotherhood?

There has been no one person that the Egyptian populous have politically rallied for, that I know of. If the US had their hands in the up rising they would have been ready for step 2, a successor. Or is that where the Muslim Brotherhood comes in? Like Obamas 'Joe the plumber' spread the wealth doctrine?

They would no longer be small individual countries often at odd with each other, and somewhat controllable. Control the oil, control the world.

Just heard on CNN (international)
"As go Egypt, so goes the rest of the middle east"

I honestly think we're seeing a cascade. Whether it's going to be well received or not?

We are certainly at the discretion of fate.

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I'm sorry. Who told you that the majority of the worlds oil was buried under the middle east? It's not.

Again -- for the benefit of those who haven't heard: The buyer is the one with the most power in any transaction, especially when he doesn't NEED your product.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


The antichrist is the Christian western nations and Israel as well they are Gog & Magog. Their deeds over the centuries prove this.

It is they who has the power to destroy the world with their nuclear weapons and political chicanery

Recall the era of slavery and colonialism of the world by the western nations and the heritage of that on the world.

As far as the Suez goes, if I'm not mistaken (and I probably am) both our med fleet and crude goes through it. Shut that down and whoo boy, it's a long trip around Africa (through pirate infested waters) for everyone.

Once again, guys and gals, thanks for the responses so far. I see there's some well-founded skepticism concerning the potential for major conflict in the Middle East. I agree to a point with the person who related this as small beans in comparison to WW2 or Cold War - but only because this doesn't directly concern the US, UK or Russia/ any other allies. I assure you it's a massive deal to all those caught up in it.

The Arab states and Israel have long been a melting pot of tensions and hatred, as well we know. However, it strikes me that with the dawn of social media, millions of Arabs are waking up to the reality of the level of corruption in their governments (including apparent 'collusions' going against the official line of their leaders).

This whole situation strikes me as a possible approach towards the 'event horizon' that could see deposition of governments and infiltration of whole nations by parties concerned only with War - quite possibly led by fundamentalist Islamic jihadis. When times are tough, black and white lines of distinction between the old way and the new way become appealing. On a wave of disillusionment, evil men can rise to hold sway over people who are screaming out for answers and hard, fast change.

More later; once again off to do some bits and bobs. While we still live at peace, I will thank God for mundanities such as the washing up and 'nipping to the shops'.

lets hope things stay western friendly. Ifs are a hard line muslim government takes over.Not thinking that is the case....but what do we know here in the US with the press we get?
If relations degrade from pro west could Israel get jumpy....Iran wont do anything but who over there is to stop them....not Saudi.There Army isnt that big.Thats why we were pulling their security.I used to watch those clowns march,what a joke.
So if Israel gets jumpy and puts the pre-emptive hurt on Iran, that could start a chain reaction that would never stop.

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
Once again, guys and gals, thanks for the responses so far. I see there's some well-founded skepticism concerning the potential for major conflict in the Middle East. I agree to a point with the person who related this as small beans in comparison to WW2 or Cold War - but only because this doesn't directly concern the US, UK or Russia/ any other allies. I assure you it's a massive deal to all those caught up in it.

The Arab states and Israel have long been a melting pot of tensions and hatred, as well we know. However, it strikes me that with the dawn of social media, millions of Arabs are waking up to the reality of the level of corruption in their governments (including apparent 'collusions' going against the official line of their leaders).

This whole situation strikes me as a possible approach towards the 'event horizon' that could see deposition of governments and infiltration of whole nations by parties concerned only with War - quite possibly led by fundamentalist Islamic jihadis. When times are tough, black and white lines of distinction between the old way and the new way become appealing. On a wave of disillusionment, evil men can rise to hold sway over people who are screaming out for answers and hard, fast change.

More later; once again off to do some bits and bobs. While we still live at peace, I will thank God for mundanities such as the washing up and 'nipping to the shops'.

Small beans started WWI....seems to be alot of people here on ATS that are dissagreeably "In The Know" and only want to argue... OP its a good post and I agree things could get bad if one country says "Boo" If U.S. is sending Navy...yep, its for a reason. So nobody says boo and nobody jumps