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Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by LanMan54
I agree with many of the points you're raising, in particular regarding the idea of prophecy and the need to seek God in all of this.
Thing is, the way you've been posting is quite aggressive and alienating. People aren't going to be molly-coddled into believing that God prophesied all of this; just present the scripture, and give a little exposition regarding why you believe it to be true.
You've been putting a load of irrelevant info into the thread, and several two line responses which don't do anything to build any kind of sympathetic bond between believers and non-believers.
Your post regarding '20 American finance problems' for example was entirely irrelevant to the thread, and possibly detracts from the main issues being discussed. I will be happy to see your ongoing contributions, but I would ask that you refrain from posting irrelevant info, and especially refrain from retaliating against people who don't have the same level of faith and belief that you do. To be 'humanist' is natural, until God reveals His presence. We are specifically warned by Christ against judging others.
When you make a post, try to collate a lot of different points in one post - don't add loads of posts each dealing with different points - it clogs up the thread and frustrates people, ultimately preventing people from wanting to be involved in the discussion - possibly harming their chances of taking any sort of faith-based outlook on the whole situation.
As I say, I want to work with you, but please tone it down a bit.
Cheers.
Originally posted by VI0811
Originally posted by mike184ever
Originally posted by VI0811
Originally posted by Haydn_17
I dont think it's the end of the world.
If Israel did attack Iran or vice versa and nuclear weapons was used, the Allies, Europe, the US and Canada would reduce Iran and the other nations to sand.
Like it or not Israel has the full backing on the US and Europe, no nukes would reach America or Europe, our nuclear defence shields would be too hightech for low budget built iranian nukes.
Russia has no interest in backing Iran, neither does North Korea or China.
I totally concur. Sounds more like Doomsayers preaching scare tactics. My apologies, but that's what I get from that.
Wow you and the poster you commented on here have rose colored glasses on dont you. You see what happens over there and anything could really, has nothing to do with what we comment on here on ATS, does it.All the Dooms-day preachers can go on the corners of Main Street USA and preach till their faces turn blue and that will have no bearring on the outcome of the Middle East. Let me ask you if you have been to a hard line Arab Nation? I have.And we westerners and pond sucking scum licking Dogs as far as they are concerned.And it really is that bad,yes they do think of us that way. Kinda hard of us white people here in the USA to imagine that much hate but it is alive in other parts of the world. And in some Black communities and on some Indian Reservations here.Even the Reservations in So.Cal....The Arab nations are the hub of the world.Thats where it all started...Egypt is the hub for the Arab Nations...Whats going on right now very well could change the world and very fast...didnt say dooms day cause I dont really think we humans can destroy the planet..its just too big
Its to bad your experiences with Arab nations and other cultures are negative. Mine however, have been positive. I deal on a daily basis with many Middle easterners due to my business, both on site and via communication. Their will always be hate in every culture. Also, change can be a good thing. Its a good thing people in the middle east are standing up for what they believe in, and it doesn't matter that their beliefs are different from mine. That is what freedom is all about. But, to represent the End of the World, I think is preaching Doom. As far as the Hub of the world, I'm sorry, but it you know your history, modern human origins began in southern Africa .... ( research that please )
If you preach doom, think the worst, live by harsh judgment and hate, expect the same in return. The old saying " if you treat people like sh*t, you get sh*t in return.
well you wrote all this so here it is sitting as a quote....Its all meaningless while Oil is traded on the U.S Dollar...No? Isnt that the real seccess to the deal Nixon made with OPEC
Originally posted by LanMan54
reply to post by LanMan54
20 economic weapons of mass destruction triggering ticking Global Debt Time Bomb
1. Federal Budget Deficit Bomb. The Bush/Cheney wars pushed America deep into a debt hole. Federal debt limit was just raised almost 100% with Obama's 2010 budget, to $14.3 trillion vs. $7.8 trillion in 2005. The Congressional Budget Office predicts future deficits around 4% through 2020. Get it? America's debt at 84% of GDP will soon pass that toxic 90% trigger point.
2. U.S. Foreign Trade Bomb. Monthly deficits actually dropped from $50 billion per month to roughly $35 billion. But the total continues climbing as $400 billion is added each year. Foreigners now own $2.5 trillion of America, with China holding over $1.3 trillion in Treasury debt.
3. Weakening U.S. Dollar as Foreign Reserve Currency Bomb. Fear China and other currencies will replace dollar as main foreign reserves. The dollar's fallen: The main index measuring dollar strength has gone from 120 at the Clinton-to-Bush handoff to below 80 today.
4. Cheap Money Bomb: Credit Ratings Down, Rates Up. Economists at S&P, Fitch and Moody's were totally co-conspirators of Fat Cat Bankers, misleading investors before meltdown: Soon, debt up, ratings down, interest rates soar.
5. Global Real Estate Bomb. Dubai Tower, new "world's tallest building" is empty. BusinessWeek warns that China's housing collapse could be worse than America's. Plus the U.S. commercial real estate bubble is now $1.7 trillion, a "ticking time bomb" bloating 25% of bank balance sheets.
6. Peak Oil and the Population Bomb. China and India each need 500 new cities. The United Nations estimates world population exploding 50% from 6 billion to 9 billion by 2050: Three billion more humans demanding more automobiles, exhausting more resources to feed their version of the gas-guzzling "America Dream."
7. Social Security Bomb. We have no choice; eventually we must either cut benefits or raise taxes. Politicians hate both, so they'll do nothing. Delays worsen solutions. Without action, by 2035 Social Security and Medicare benefits will eat up the entire federal budget other than defense.
8. Medicare: A Nuclear Bomb. Going broke faster than Social Security. Prescription drug benefit added an unfunded $8.1 trillion. In 5 years estimates rose from about $35 trillion to over $60 trillion now.
9. Health-care Insurance Bomb. Burden increasingly shifted to employees. Costs rising faster than inflation. Recent Obamacare plan would have cost $90 billion annually, paid to Big Pharma and insurers.
10. State and Local Government Budget Bombs. Deficits of $110 billion in 2010, $178 billion in 2011on top of more that $450 billion in underfunded state and municipal employee pension funds.
11. Underfunded Corporate Pensions Bomb. From $60 billion surplus in 2007 to $409 billion deficit in 2009. And a whopping 92% of the pension plans of companies are now underfunded. Defaults are guaranteed by taxpayers.
12. Consumer Debt Bomb. Americans are still living beyond their means. Even with a downturn, consumer debt rose from about $2.3 to $2.5 trillion. Fat Cat Bankers love it -- yes love making matters worse by gouging cardholders and mortgagees, blocking help in foreclosures and bankruptcies.
13. Personal Savings Bomb. Before the 2008 meltdown savings rate dropped from about 10% in the early 1980s to below zero. Now it's increasing, slowing retail recovery. Today, government's the big "unsaver."
14. War and Military Defense Deficits. Costs of Iraq and Afghanistan wars -- $200+ billion annually, $3 trillion minimum, with massive long-term costs for veteran medical care, equipment renewal, recruitment.
15. Homeland Insecurity Bomb. Security at airports, seaports, borders, vulnerable chemical plants all increase budgets.
16. Fed/Treasury Bailout Bombs. Tax credits, loans, cash and purchase of toxic assets from Wall Street banks estimated at $23.7 trillion as new debt was shifted from too-big-to-fail Fat-Cat banks to taxpayers.
17. Insatiable Washington Lobbyists Bombs. Paulson, Goldman, Geithner, Morgan and Wall Street banks, through their lobbyists and former employees working inside now have absolute power over government spending. Democracy and voters are now irrelevant in America's new corporate-socialism.
18. Shadow Banking: The Derivatives Bomb. Wall Street wants no regulation of this $670 trillion, high-risk, out-of-control casino that's highly leveraged versus the $50 trillion total GDP of all nations. We forget that derivatives almost destroyed global economies in 2008-09, finally will by 2012.
19. Dysfunctional Two-Party Political Bomb. Polarized partisanship increasing: Every day both parties show zero interest in cooperating for the public good. Instead they fight viciously, resisting everything and anything proposed by opponents. Only goal: Score political points, make the other side look bad.
20. The Coming Populous Rebellion Bombs. Nobody trusts anyone in authority. For good reason. So immediate gratification, short-term betting and a lack of long-term perspective wins for individual investors, consumers and taxpayers as well as Washington, Wall Street and Corporate America CEOs. Today: "Doing what's right for the common good and country" is just empty political rhetoric.
www.marketwatch.com...
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
I've been looking over the English Al Jazeera - Middle East Summary and I have to say, it's incredibly worrying that so much coordinated unrest is being seen throughout the region. Egypt is all over our mainstream news simply because it's risen beyond the PTB ability to reasonably contain the information. Social Media can be thanked for that.
Yemen, Tunisia, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt. All have seen coordinated rioting and protests in the past week.
Iran just hanged two protestors (arrested in 2009 who had protested against an apparently rigged election); it seems they are making sure that nobody in their jurisdiction has the courage to follow the rest of the Middle Eastern Arab states in protesting their government's corruption.
I know from reading many responses in several Egypt-related threads that some people think it's an overreaction to say that this could be the spark that lights the touchpaper for large-scale war in the Middle East, possibly even leading to World War 3...
However - observe that Hezbolah are now positioned to gain governmental power in Lebanon. In itself, that's motivation for the US to step up its presence in the region.
Worse yet, it could be a simple matter of time before an Iranian-Syrian-Lebanese alliance forces military action by aggressing Israel. We all know that such an alliance is capable and extremely motivated to do so... Conversely, Israel gets edgy and issues preemptive strikes. That would be it - World War 3.
Also worth mentioning is that rumours abound concerning an Iranian fleet possibly readying itself to head up the Suez canal to moor off-coast from Lebanon. With Egypt in a state of chaos, who would prevent such a movement? (Discussed in this thread - Western Military Fleets are heading to Lebanon and Israel's army is on full alert...)
With Egypt impotent and ineffective as a result of these massive protests, not only would Iran have free passage into the danger zone, but the US would have two convenient excuses to step in and help the Israelis..
Also note the timing of the wikileaks of papers suggesting a greater level of collusion between the Palestinian Authority and the Israelis - see HERE. The old adage of a single puppetmaster drawing his tools of war into position starts to seem less than far-fetched when the leaks are taken in context with the Palestinian response to their contents and interpretation by Al Jazeera.
Special note - Have you noticed how the Western media tends to portray Al-Jazeera as an amateurish, terrorist-led network? Having read through their site for the first time today, I was extremely surprised, and ashamed that I'd been subconsciously affected to such a degree by the propaganda machine of the USA / UK.
In conclusion - the level to which, and order in which this massive unrest has grown in the region is possibly indicative of a deliberate act of collusion by certain PTB. We all know the conspiracy tales of the PTB wanting to recreate Biblical prophecy. We mostly are aware that in such prophecies, after a time of chaos, a leader, a man of peace would apparently emerge who would become either the Antichrist or the Mahdi, depending on your religious persuasion. Could such a time really be upon us? The signs are increasing, and I don't buy the old "nothing to see here, nothing new under the Sun in the Middle East, they've been at it for decades" line. The way in which these situations have escalated, and the incorporation of suspect wikileaks info at a critical moment in time, smacks of iron fists within slinky velvet gloves.
Originally posted by LanMan54
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by LanMan54
I agree with many of the points you're raising, in particular regarding the idea of prophecy and the need to seek God in all of this.
Thing is, the way you've been posting is quite aggressive and alienating. People aren't going to be molly-coddled into believing that God prophesied all of this; just present the scripture, and give a little exposition regarding why you believe it to be true.
You've been putting a load of irrelevant info into the thread, and several two line responses which don't do anything to build any kind of sympathetic bond between believers and non-believers.
Your post regarding '20 American finance problems' for example was entirely irrelevant to the thread, and possibly detracts from the main issues being discussed. I will be happy to see your ongoing contributions, but I would ask that you refrain from posting irrelevant info, and especially refrain from retaliating against people who don't have the same level of faith and belief that you do. To be 'humanist' is natural, until God reveals His presence. We are specifically warned by Christ against judging others.
When you make a post, try to collate a lot of different points in one post - don't add loads of posts each dealing with different points - it clogs up the thread and frustrates people, ultimately preventing people from wanting to be involved in the discussion - possibly harming their chances of taking any sort of faith-based outlook on the whole situation.
As I say, I want to work with you, but please tone it down a bit.
Cheers.
I don't exactly know how to respond to your suggestions, but I'll try. I don't see things from a 'human point of view' anymore, though I know what it is to think this way, just as Christ did when he was in human form. I try to remain sympathetic, but am extremely frustrated at the lack of understanding, and the lies that are being foisted on the public from a multitude of sources. Tried to make a point with the 20 time bomb post that the ways of the world are the reason for humanities increasing problems, and why this is leading to the '...end of the world, as we know it...'. Sorry if you and some of the readers misunderstand, or don't understand. Not trying to be authoritarian, but do you not know that the saints are to be the judges of this world? As far as a 'faith-based outlook', there is only one "Way" that a man can be saved. There are not a multitude of ways, i.e., through other 'faiths', whether its a faith based in humanities religions, or a faith based in humanities sciences and technologies, or a combination of all. Hope this makes sense to you, whoever you are.