Is this the End of the World - as we know it...?

It raises eyebrows...but revolts are not unheard of in American history.

The Muslims in the Middle East (which sometimes includes Egypt actually) can be very united in thought. Therefore when one revolts...others start to revolt as well.

Some are concerned that Muslims will do that here in the West....but that is nonsense. They are too few and have too little influence on the surrounding sub cultures to start anything here. A protest or 2, and a few wackjobs trying to blow # up...is about all we will encounter.

Originally posted by LanMan54
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Not taking sides here, but is it possible that Washington's way of doing things is no longer supported by the 'majority'?

by the sounds of our news the Zionists are in charge....but to answer your question,No washington is no longer in charge of anything but washington

Originally posted by lonegurkha
Did any of you people quoting the holy books read my earlier comment about the books being tampered with? Good lord you are relying on a tainted source.Which version of the book are you using.

maybe since ATS alows opinions you might anly offer yours and not be so quick to judge where Faith is involved.
Yes I have studied Sumerian Texts and know full well of Constantine and the counsel....but jeezo others have not...so live and let live

Egypt moves to shut down Al Jazeera...

On Twitter, an Al Jazeera correspondent, Dan Nolan, wrote: "Aljazeera Cairo bureau has been shut down. Just visited by plain clothes govt security, TV uplink is now closed."

"The closing of our bureau by the Egyptian government is aimed at censoring and silencing the voices of the Egyptian people.

They start to give them the internet back then take away the media! For some reason I don't think this is going to help calm down the protesters!

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Washington is broken, politcally and financially. Was watching and listening to a FOX business news show and both the guys on it were saying that the 'government' of America is completely out of 'options'. Only two bad choices to make, raise the debt ceiling and deal with an even worse collapse, or refuse to raise it, and deal with the less worse collapse. Not much of a choice is it? They were absolutely not optomistic, not even a little bit. When the people of this nation, and the government they support finally hit the wall, it won't be pretty, not at all.

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
I've been looking over the English Al Jazeera - Middle East Summary and I have to say, it's incredibly worrying that so much coordinated unrest is being seen throughout the region. Egypt is all over our mainstream news simply because it's risen beyond the PTB ability to reasonably contain the information. Social Media can be thanked for that.


Yemen, Tunisia, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt. All have seen coordinated rioting and protests in the past week.

Iran just hanged two protestors (arrested in 2009 who had protested against an apparently rigged election); it seems they are making sure that nobody in their jurisdiction has the courage to follow the rest of the Middle Eastern Arab states in protesting their government's corruption.

I know from reading many responses in several Egypt-related threads that some people think it's an overreaction to say that this could be the spark that lights the touchpaper for large-scale war in the Middle East, possibly even leading to World War 3...

However - observe that Hezbolah are now positioned to gain governmental power in Lebanon. In itself, that's motivation for the US to step up its presence in the region.

Worse yet, it could be a simple matter of time before an Iranian-Syrian-Lebanese alliance forces military action by aggressing Israel. We all know that such an alliance is capable and extremely motivated to do so... Conversely, Israel gets edgy and issues preemptive strikes. That would be it - World War 3.

Also worth mentioning is that rumours abound concerning an Iranian fleet possibly readying itself to head up the Suez canal to moor off-coast from Lebanon. With Egypt in a state of chaos, who would prevent such a movement? (Discussed in this thread - Western Military Fleets are heading to Lebanon and Israel's army is on full alert...)

With Egypt impotent and ineffective as a result of these massive protests, not only would Iran have free passage into the danger zone, but the US would have two convenient excuses to step in and help the Israelis..

Also note the timing of the wikileaks of papers suggesting a greater level of collusion between the Palestinian Authority and the Israelis - see HERE. The old adage of a single puppetmaster drawing his tools of war into position starts to seem less than far-fetched when the leaks are taken in context with the Palestinian response to their contents and interpretation by Al Jazeera.

Special note - Have you noticed how the Western media tends to portray Al-Jazeera as an amateurish, terrorist-led network? Having read through their site for the first time today, I was extremely surprised, and ashamed that I'd been subconsciously affected to such a degree by the propaganda machine of the USA / UK.

In conclusion - the level to which, and order in which this massive unrest has grown in the region is possibly indicative of a deliberate act of collusion by certain PTB. We all know the conspiracy tales of the PTB wanting to recreate Biblical prophecy. We mostly are aware that in such prophecies, after a time of chaos, a leader, a man of peace would apparently emerge who would become either the Antichrist or the Mahdi, depending on your religious persuasion. Could such a time really be upon us? The signs are increasing, and I don't buy the old "nothing to see here, nothing new under the Sun in the Middle East, they've been at it for decades" line. The way in which these situations have escalated, and the incorporation of suspect wikileaks info at a critical moment in time, smacks of iron fists within slinky velvet gloves.

Though PTB might want to recreate Biblical prophecy according to THEIR interpretations, or even escape their fate foretold in the prophecies, its just not going to happen. The PTB are FULLFILLING the prophecies, despite their every effort to recreate their own versions of prophecy, and escape their fate as described in them! Though they might think that they are 'doing God a service' in their 'mission', they are in fact, allied in purpose AGAINST God and Christ. It is through them that God will be VINDICATED.

Definitely the potential for this protesting to escalate with the quickness. Saw that Al-Jazeera was forced to stop, but they've since started broadcasting live again. This is going to be an interesting week to watch play out. If the Egyptian president doesn't step down by Wednesday, expect all hell to break loose there by the end of the week and spill into the entire region. Looks like the Black Swan event many predicted would happen this year is happening early.

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The 'propagand machine' of the USA/UK is no longer able to hide their iniquities! They are being made 'naked', just as the prophecies foretold!

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The Zionists are no more 'in charge' than are any human beings! The Almighty, the Most High God, the Creator is in charge, and always has been.

Originally posted by LanMan54
reply to post by mike184ever

 

Washington is broken, politically and financially. Was watching and listening to a FOX business news show and both the guys on it were saying that the 'government' of America is completely out of 'options'. Only two bad choices to make, raise the debt ceiling and deal with an even worse collapse, or refuse to raise it, and deal with the less worse collapse. Not much of a choice is it? They were absolutely not optimistic, not even a little bit. When the people of this nation, and the government they support finally hit the wall, it won't be pretty, not at all.

I watch fox news only....my opinion is they have an agenda to keep people not unlike you and I watching...there seems to be a main theme going on...lets give them the news they want to hear. So with Fox News I say " Fox you're not all that any more .Just more of the same.
By no means does this deal in Egypt mean its over for USA...Canada turns a def ear to world affairs.They have no Iron in the fire and If USA didn't, would we be the worse? I think It is only fair to say USA doesn't Dictate world policy...Now there is a SERIOUS POWER VACUME

Originally posted by LanMan54
reply to post by mike184ever

 

The Zionists are no more 'in charge' than are any human beings! The Almighty, the Most High God, the Creator is in charge, and always has been.

This isnt the place but tell that to the families who have lost family to any war ever fought...both sides....No, mankind is in charge...the show of the world proves it

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20 economic weapons of mass destruction triggering ticking Global Debt Time Bomb

1. Federal Budget Deficit Bomb. The Bush/Cheney wars pushed America deep into a debt hole. Federal debt limit was just raised almost 100% with Obama's 2010 budget, to $14.3 trillion vs. $7.8 trillion in 2005. The Congressional Budget Office predicts future deficits around 4% through 2020. Get it? America's debt at 84% of GDP will soon pass that toxic 90% trigger point.

2. U.S. Foreign Trade Bomb. Monthly deficits actually dropped from $50 billion per month to roughly $35 billion. But the total continues climbing as $400 billion is added each year. Foreigners now own $2.5 trillion of America, with China holding over $1.3 trillion in Treasury debt.

3. Weakening U.S. Dollar as Foreign Reserve Currency Bomb. Fear China and other currencies will replace dollar as main foreign reserves. The dollar's fallen: The main index measuring dollar strength has gone from 120 at the Clinton-to-Bush handoff to below 80 today.

4. Cheap Money Bomb: Credit Ratings Down, Rates Up. Economists at S&P, Fitch and Moody's were totally co-conspirators of Fat Cat Bankers, misleading investors before meltdown: Soon, debt up, ratings down, interest rates soar.

5. Global Real Estate Bomb. Dubai Tower, new "world's tallest building" is empty. BusinessWeek warns that China's housing collapse could be worse than America's. Plus the U.S. commercial real estate bubble is now $1.7 trillion, a "ticking time bomb" bloating 25% of bank balance sheets.

6. Peak Oil and the Population Bomb. China and India each need 500 new cities. The United Nations estimates world population exploding 50% from 6 billion to 9 billion by 2050: Three billion more humans demanding more automobiles, exhausting more resources to feed their version of the gas-guzzling "America Dream."

7. Social Security Bomb. We have no choice; eventually we must either cut benefits or raise taxes. Politicians hate both, so they'll do nothing. Delays worsen solutions. Without action, by 2035 Social Security and Medicare benefits will eat up the entire federal budget other than defense.

8. Medicare: A Nuclear Bomb. Going broke faster than Social Security. Prescription drug benefit added an unfunded $8.1 trillion. In 5 years estimates rose from about $35 trillion to over $60 trillion now.

9. Health-care Insurance Bomb. Burden increasingly shifted to employees. Costs rising faster than inflation. Recent Obamacare plan would have cost $90 billion annually, paid to Big Pharma and insurers.

10. State and Local Government Budget Bombs. Deficits of $110 billion in 2010, $178 billion in 2011on top of more that $450 billion in underfunded state and municipal employee pension funds.

11. Underfunded Corporate Pensions Bomb. From $60 billion surplus in 2007 to $409 billion deficit in 2009. And a whopping 92% of the pension plans of companies are now underfunded. Defaults are guaranteed by taxpayers.

12. Consumer Debt Bomb. Americans are still living beyond their means. Even with a downturn, consumer debt rose from about $2.3 to $2.5 trillion. Fat Cat Bankers love it -- yes love making matters worse by gouging cardholders and mortgagees, blocking help in foreclosures and bankruptcies.

13. Personal Savings Bomb. Before the 2008 meltdown savings rate dropped from about 10% in the early 1980s to below zero. Now it's increasing, slowing retail recovery. Today, government's the big "unsaver."

14. War and Military Defense Deficits. Costs of Iraq and Afghanistan wars -- $200+ billion annually, $3 trillion minimum, with massive long-term costs for veteran medical care, equipment renewal, recruitment.

15. Homeland Insecurity Bomb. Security at airports, seaports, borders, vulnerable chemical plants all increase budgets.

16. Fed/Treasury Bailout Bombs. Tax credits, loans, cash and purchase of toxic assets from Wall Street banks estimated at $23.7 trillion as new debt was shifted from too-big-to-fail Fat-Cat banks to taxpayers.

17. Insatiable Washington Lobbyists Bombs. Paulson, Goldman, Geithner, Morgan and Wall Street banks, through their lobbyists and former employees working inside now have absolute power over government spending. Democracy and voters are now irrelevant in America's new corporate-socialism.

18. Shadow Banking: The Derivatives Bomb. Wall Street wants no regulation of this $670 trillion, high-risk, out-of-control casino that's highly leveraged versus the $50 trillion total GDP of all nations. We forget that derivatives almost destroyed global economies in 2008-09, finally will by 2012.

19. Dysfunctional Two-Party Political Bomb. Polarized partisanship increasing: Every day both parties show zero interest in cooperating for the public good. Instead they fight viciously, resisting everything and anything proposed by opponents. Only goal: Score political points, make the other side look bad.

20. The Coming Populous Rebellion Bombs. Nobody trusts anyone in authority. For good reason. So immediate gratification, short-term betting and a lack of long-term perspective wins for individual investors, consumers and taxpayers as well as Washington, Wall Street and Corporate America CEOs. Today: "Doing what's right for the common good and country" is just empty political rhetoric.

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If you think that mankind is in charge then you don't know God, nor are you acknowledge by God. You are a 'humanist', one who thinks that mankind can direct its own future, and perfect human nature, through your own efforts without divine grace. Better reconsider, for Lucifer has alway told mankind that they could do whatever they want without GOD!

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Originally posted by mike184ever

Originally posted by VI0811

Originally posted by Haydn_17
I dont think it's the end of the world.

If Israel did attack Iran or vice versa and nuclear weapons was used, the Allies, Europe, the US and Canada would reduce Iran and the other nations to sand.

Like it or not Israel has the full backing on the US and Europe, no nukes would reach America or Europe, our nuclear defence shields would be too hightech for low budget built iranian nukes.

Russia has no interest in backing Iran, neither does North Korea or China.

I totally concur. Sounds more like Doomsayers preaching scare tactics. My apologies, but that's what I get from that.

Wow you and the poster you commented on here have rose colored glasses on dont you. You see what happens over there and anything could really, has nothing to do with what we comment on here on ATS, does it.All the Dooms-day preachers can go on the corners of Main Street USA and preach till their faces turn blue and that will have no bearring on the outcome of the Middle East. Let me ask you if you have been to a hard line Arab Nation? I have.And we westerners and pond sucking scum licking Dogs as far as they are concerned.And it really is that bad,yes they do think of us that way. Kinda hard of us white people here in the USA to imagine that much hate but it is alive in other parts of the world. And in some Black communities and on some Indian Reservations here.Even the Reservations in So.Cal....The Arab nations are the hub of the world.Thats where it all started...Egypt is the hub for the Arab Nations...Whats going on right now very well could change the world and very fast...didnt say dooms day cause I dont really think we humans can destroy the planet..its just too big

Its to bad your experiences with Arab nations and other cultures are negative. Mine however, have been positive. I deal on a daily basis with many Middle easterners due to my business, both on site and via communication. Their will always be hate in every culture. Also, change can be a good thing. Its a good thing people in the middle east are standing up for what they believe in, and it doesn't matter that their beliefs are different from mine. That is what freedom is all about. But, to represent the End of the World, I think is preaching Doom. As far as the Hub of the world, I'm sorry, but it you know your history, modern human origins began in southern Africa .... ( research that please )

If you preach doom, think the worst, live by harsh judgment and hate, expect the same in return. The old saying " if you treat people like sh*t, you get sh*t in return.

Originally posted by fixer1967
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Print my post out and save it. There will be a day when you understand it.

My outlook is different. I don't see doom. I see change. Both in people and the planet. The world needs it, and it will be a good thing, not doom or gloom. Sometimes we have to live on our knees before we can rise to our feet ...

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by VI0811

 

Why are you criticising Fixer's post in such a personal way (IE - assuming something must be wrong with his/her life - etc)..??

Fixer referred to a changed world, and for some reason you started to question that, in a base and uncalled-for manner. Newsflash - the world has changed, drastically, for the worse, in the past 70 years or so. Advances in technology and home comforts don't make up for degradations in standards of behaviour amongst the general populace.

It's clear to anyone who pays attention to global news that the current events in the Middle East may well represent the start of some major conflict in that region, which could overspill and impact the rest of the world - in terrible ways we almost dare not imagine.. Doomsayer I'm not, but neither am I unschooled in Eschatology or unobservant of the horrendous nature of international politics. Whether or not people believe in a religious interpretation of what's going on, there are suggestions that certain groups pull strings to reflect prophecy, as part of a control agenda.

Most people would watch with horror if / when the world descends into chaos, amazed that they didn't see it coming. 'Switch on America / Britain's Got Talent and pretend it isn't happening'.

Fixer made it quite clear - and I second his/her insight - that the attitudes prevalent in modern society are so deeply embedded in the collective psyche, that it is unlikely anything will 'change for the better'... Only time will tell, but it's probably a good time to work on becoming 'wise as serpents, innocent as lambs'.

No personal attach intended, Does my opinion not count? Only yours? .....
Duplicate post from before below .....
My outlook is different. I don't see doom. I see change. Both in people and the planet. The world needs it, and it will be a good thing, not doom or gloom. Sometimes we have to live on our knees before we can rise to our feet ...

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There's no problem with presenting an opinion; we're all free to do so. What is a problem, is the way you personalised the 'opinion' by claiming knowledge of 'issues' present in the life of the person to whom you were replying - issues that you would have no way of perceiving unless you knew the poster, and that you would have no right to blurb on a forum even if you knew him.

In addition, you think I'm trying to drown out your opinion with mine? Don't be ridiculous. In no way did I ever try to suppress anyone's opinion, and in no way did I present my opinion as superior to anyone else's. Try not to type before you reflect on what people are actually writing.

I spotted this comment above:

But, to represent the End of the World, I think is preaching Doom. As far as the Hub of the world, I'm sorry, but it you know your history, modern human origins began in southern Africa .... ( research that please )

If you preach doom, think the worst, live by harsh judgment and hate, expect the same in return. The old saying " if you treat people like sh*t, you get sh*t in return.

In the context of this thread and your involvement with it, what you're effectively doing here is saying that I (as the OP) think the worst, live by harsh judgement and hate, and treat people like ****.

Nothing could be further from the truth - once again, you are projecting negative character traits onto people that you don't know, judging us without any right or proper ability to do so - this is down to a lack of knowledge and balanced perspective. You need to stop throwing people into a single basket based on your extremely limited opinion of 'right and wrong thought process'. All I intended with this OP was to raise an issue of concern, explaining how the current global events (centred in Egypt) might be leading us into a manifestation of the prophecies laid down in the old-time religions...

I won't be responding to any more of your posts unless they are a little better thought-out and come prefixed with an apology for the (unwarranted) bad things you implied about me.

Balanced opinion, based on known facts, as opposed to ranting and one-sided condemnation/ false accusations.

ModernAcademia has a nice thread started in regards to the whole situation...

American professors urge Obama to 'seize the chance' and oust Mubarak

The chess pieces are sliding into place.

Also to add this one that was set up earlier this week, suggesting that the US were already complicit in helping the uprising gain momentum:

Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising


So in summary to date, we have a suggestion form Al Jazeera that Palestine and Israel are in collusion over the land dispute (and whatever else) - see the link in my OP on this thread for the story. We have a suggestion that the US were keen to depose Mubarak. We have Noam Chomsky and others urging Obama to take action and depose Mubarak. Hezbollah are gaining power in Lebanon; Egypt were apparently the US' primary ally (apart from Israel of course) in the region.

With Egypt in disarray, will the US step up a Middle-Eastern presence to defend the Suez? What of the alleged Iranian movement in the area? The mass protests continue in Egypt with 'millions' being urged to take to the streets tomorrow despite half-hearted efforts at the imposition of a curfew:

Egypt to see a 'march of millions'..?

You can bet your bottom dollar that things will get ugly if Mubarak orders the army to take hardline action against the demonstrators.

Add to all this the idea that Israel are apparently 'anxiously monitoring' the situation, fearful of the suggestion of an Egypt without Mubarak... Where does this leave the US? Called upon to depose Mubarak at the risk of upsetting Israel? Maybe just throw a load of troops/ships in there to keep an eye on things?

Israel 'fears' post-Mubarak Egypt

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I agree with many of the points you're raising, in particular regarding the idea of prophecy and the need to seek God in all of this.

Thing is, the way you've been posting is quite aggressive and alienating. People aren't going to be molly-coddled into believing that God prophesied all of this; just present the scripture, and give a little exposition regarding why you believe it to be true.

You've been putting a load of irrelevant info into the thread, and several two line responses which don't do anything to build any kind of sympathetic bond between believers and non-believers.

Your post regarding '20 American finance problems' for example was entirely irrelevant to the thread, and possibly detracts from the main issues being discussed. I will be happy to see your ongoing contributions, but I would ask that you refrain from posting irrelevant info, and especially refrain from retaliating against people who don't have the same level of faith and belief that you do. To be 'humanist' is natural, until God reveals His presence. We are specifically warned by Christ against judging others.

When you make a post, try to collate a lot of different points in one post - don't add loads of posts each dealing with different points - it clogs up the thread and frustrates people, ultimately preventing people from wanting to be involved in the discussion - possibly harming their chances of taking any sort of faith-based outlook on the whole situation.

As I say, I want to work with you, but please tone it down a bit.


Cheers.