Stoning execution caught on camera

Originally posted by ArMaP
Yes, like those people that film with their cellphones someone dying and do not help just because it will have "millions of views" and they will look "cool" (or whatever they call it now) to the eyes of their peers.

It's not really a religious problem, it's a human nature problem.

I know, it is very sad... the way humans have become.

I didn't mention religion at all... but I agree, It's a people thing not a religious thing.

reply to post by spearhead


They stoned a 19 year old girl for adultery. You know what the fact of the matter is though is that these people are just dieing to to this to anybody. Whoever is not part of their twisted game is automatically picked to kill. I think it's kind of symbolic that they all work together to kill people, like they all want their hands to have blood on them. It's reasons like this I'm glad were over there, but still I would like to see results. No one even knows what the word sin originally meant in the first place, so it means nothing. What difference does it make if she has sex or not, I don't understand this type of thought process. This episode brings to mind the 5 monkeys experiment.

reply to post by spearhead


This is just pure evil!!!! How can anyone justify this as being acceptable by their God? This is just so warped!!!
Why would anyone even want to be associated with this type of religion? It's just so blatantly wrong. You have to be filled with so much hate to do this to another human being. With all the wars, torturing, and killings, the human race still has a long way to go on becoming "civilized."

Originally posted by Seitler
I see your point. Try to see mine.

I am trying, trust me.

I am not saying that we remove their ability to choose a religion. I am saying we teach them how to properly fit in with the WORLD society.

Should we also teach each individual how to properly fit in their society? Wouldn't that turn into something like a robot factory instead of a human society?

I honestly WANT them to think and speak what they want, but if you are Muslim and tell a Talib that you want to convernt to ANYTHING, they will not hessitate to kill you.

I don't think that the Talibans are doing things the right way, I just think that we should not be so quick to judge other people's opinions and even less quick to force our way of thinking.

Yes, they have a government to regulate state business, but it is weak and the Talibs have infiltrated the entire network.

To me, the problem lies in how the Talibans appeared. How did they spread? How can ideas that look against common sense to anyone and that even go to some Islamic principles be so widely accepted to make them reach those numbers?

As I said before, everybody is free to think what they want, so why so may people think that way?

We, as a global force, need to go in and clean up the mess... and by mess I mean the lies and misconceptions the average population has of the rest of the world.

I disagree, we should not force anything unto anyone. Sure, we should clear all the lies and misconceptions, but I don't think that we can do that by using military forces.

After we clean out all the "gunk" from their government and cities/villages, then the can help them to better understand the RIGHT to choose for one's own self. We don't need to tell them what to choose, only what choices are there to be made.

Why do you think that they do not understand freedom of choice? Are they any different from other people? Is there any thing that prevents them from thinking like other people?

Once the "evil" or "radical" people are out of the way, then we will truly start to see the Middle East open up to the rest of the world.

I don't think this is a Middle East problem, the "evil" and "radical" people are everywhere, some are just more noticeable and some are just being pointed by the media, but they exist everywhere.

Until then, the Talibs will keep oppressing the entire region. This is going to end in one of two ways: (1) The people take control and "get rid" of the Talibs however they see fit (2)

That would be the best way, things feel better when made by ourselves.

The rest of the world is going to get fed up and slaughter anyone that refuses to denounce Islam (or something close to those lines) for fear that it will spread to their own towns and homes.I really hope that doesn't happen, because it would mean that the rest of the world had become as evil and radical as the Taliban, only with better weapons and bigger numbers.

Originally posted by Maslo
Religious freedom is not freedom of thought. They can think what they want.

Religious freedom is freedom of thought, your religion is in yourself.

Religion, although visible in people's actions, is a choice made by the person, so it's a result of some thought process, and any person can keep their own religion only to him/herself. That has happened millions of times throughout the centuries.

People can think for example that all jews should be killed, thats not illegal (and shouldnt be, thoghtcrime is really orwellian). But if they start to actively promote such ideas that lead to infringement on basic human rights of others (which includes right to adequate punishment for the crime! - thus promoting stoning for adultery falls in this category), they should be prosecuted.

Choosing their religion is the same as thinking all Jews should be killed; even if wrong in the eyes of common sense, people are free from choosing their own ideas. That was what I was talking about, freedom of choosing their own religion; not the freedom of propagating their ideas but the freedom of having their own ideas, even if wrong.

Freedom of speech ends where incitement to infringe upon basic human rights begins - simple as that. Thats why promoting nazism is illegal (and imho also promoting soviet style communism should be).

I was not talking about freedom of speech, see above.

PS: I don't see freedom of thought as a right in itself, more as another attribute of human beings.

Originally posted by Seitler
This is not fear mongering.

The way you wrote it sure looked like it.

This "fearmongering" was brought on by an attack on our soil, killing innocent civilians.

Did you asked "why"? Do you have an opinion about why they did it and who the "they" are?

They are already making their rounds throughout the world, and if you think I am full of s--t, then take a look at all of the random suicide bombings that have been linked to, or outright claimed and celebrated by, the insurgent networks in the Middle East.

That reminds me one thing: how do they know if it's a suicide bomber or if it was someone that was carrying a bomb without knowing it or if it was someone that was just too close to the bomb?

I was not around when Portugal (probably not spelling that right) was having these issues. I am sorry for the trouble that you had to go through. I am sorry that the US military did not fight your battles as well. You seemed to have come through, as a country, fairly okay. Then again, I've never been there, so I really don't know.

You spelled it right.
I was not talking about the US fighting our battles, I was talking about the first action from the US government being a military show of force instead a helping hand to country that had just ended a long dictatorship. That's the kind of action that creates enemies.

Don't condemn an entire region of the world for the mistakes that were made in the past.

I am not the one condemning an entire region of the world (or religious faction) for the mistakes of some, I am only pointing that things like that are common in human history and will probably be with us as long as we exist.

(Just as a refresher, if you take the Bible as pure fact, then the world can NEVER function as one. That would mean armaggedon is just around the bend. So were are damned if we do, and we are damned if we don't. I say we at least TRY to make things better!)

I don't, I'm an atheist.

reply to post by PETROLCOIN


Wow! I analysed my first basic feelings after seeing that...and thought that the biological extermination of that species would be desirable.Then thought if left to their own devises they would do it anyway without intervention. Either way i saw a tribe something like Chimps.With the same gutteral whoops.Having some blood fun to release a bit of the pent up...Lets just be warned it could have been us,lets not loose what makes us what we are.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by Seitler
I see your point. Try to see mine.

I am trying, trust me.

I am not saying that we remove their ability to choose a religion. I am saying we teach them how to properly fit in with the WORLD society.

Should we also teach each individual how to properly fit in their society? Wouldn't that turn into something like a robot factory instead of a human society?

I honestly WANT them to think and speak what they want, but if you are Muslim and tell a Talib that you want to convernt to ANYTHING, they will not hessitate to kill you.

I don't think that the Talibans are doing things the right way, I just think that we should not be so quick to judge other people's opinions and even less quick to force our way of thinking.

Yes, they have a government to regulate state business, but it is weak and the Talibs have infiltrated the entire network.

To me, the problem lies in how the Talibans appeared. How did they spread? How can ideas that look against common sense to anyone and that even go to some Islamic principles be so widely accepted to make them reach those numbers?

As I said before, everybody is free to think what they want, so why so may people think that way?

We, as a global force, need to go in and clean up the mess... and by mess I mean the lies and misconceptions the average population has of the rest of the world.

I disagree, we should not force anything unto anyone. Sure, we should clear all the lies and misconceptions, but I don't think that we can do that by using military forces.

After we clean out all the "gunk" from their government and cities/villages, then the can help them to better understand the RIGHT to choose for one's own self. We don't need to tell them what to choose, only what choices are there to be made.

Why do you think that they do not understand freedom of choice? Are they any different from other people? Is there any thing that prevents them from thinking like other people?

Once the "evil" or "radical" people are out of the way, then we will truly start to see the Middle East open up to the rest of the world.

I don't think this is a Middle East problem, the "evil" and "radical" people are everywhere, some are just more noticeable and some are just being pointed by the media, but they exist everywhere.

Until then, the Talibs will keep oppressing the entire region. This is going to end in one of two ways: (1) The people take control and "get rid" of the Talibs however they see fit (2)

That would be the best way, things feel better when made by ourselves.

The rest of the world is going to get fed up and slaughter anyone that refuses to denounce Islam (or something close to those lines) for fear that it will spread to their own towns and homes.I really hope that doesn't happen, because it would mean that the rest of the world had become as evil and radical as the Taliban, only with better weapons and bigger numbers.

In all honesty, what you are hoping for, as far as a solution goes, is a Utopian society. I am sorry, but this is not how these things work. We are people, sadly, because if we WERE robots then we could all simply be programmed to like each other.

As far as teaching the individual to fit into society, we already do! Think about grade school, secondary school... work environments. ALL of this is a learning process for individuals. BUT I was talking on a community-level scale. Teach them as a group... then let them fill in the necessary holes.

And no, most of the people over there do not understand the ability to think for themselves. Due to brainwashing techniques, most of the people will think they are following the will of Allah, or other what-not, but not realize that there perspective has been distorted by the people pulling the strings. This happens all over the world, but we still have the ability to question what does not make sense. If they try to, most likely they will be hunted like animals. (Just look at what happened to the couple in the video for an example. They were tricked into coming back to the village, and then snared in a trap like you would set for an animal.)

Since you are an atheist, I can say this without you getting offended at me. Look at Christianity. I knew a girl, Christian, in Tucson, Arizona that refused to believe that God could materialize in the form of a saint from the Catholic religion, simply because she was taught at church that Catholics are wrong. I gave her MANY examples of why God would choose to do this. She said, "God would not do that. He does not care about non-Christians. Anyone that is not baptized and does not accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior are going to hell. The NEED to be Christians to go to heaven." I brought up the people that lived here in the Americas BEFORE the Europeans brought Christianity with them, she simply said, "They are all in hell. God probably didn't even know they were over here yet."

I laid this out to ask this question. What kind of free thinking mind would really believe that load of nonsense. It shows anyone is capable of being brainwashed. That doesn't mean you won't have individual thoughts, but certain ones have been so acutely honed by other people's desires that the person is unaware they are being used to further the goals of someone else.

I am sure on some level I am "brainwashed" too, I was in the Army after all. BUT I am actively seeking truth and enlightenment. I know I won't find it for a while, but just being able to do this openly without the fear of being killed is what lets me know that the Middle East needs to change. Otherwise they are going to implode unto themselves, and the rest of the world will be stuck cleaning up the mess.

I find it strange when I hear about stories like these, how can people not have logical thought?
No sense of right or wrong, what is wrong with them, further more why do they hate us?

This is what happens when people believe in religion too strongly, they become delusional with magical thinking.

Let the 21st century be the end of magical thinking and the beginning of logical thought.

1. A bunch of Islamic people get together and throw stones at people, killing them.

2. A bunch of Christian people get together, and bring the world's largest military force to bear on two small countries, Iraq and Afghanistan, and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.

So where is the video of the Iraqi/Afghan children's bodies being blown to pieces?

I don't condone #1, and I don't condone#2. AND I DON'T CONDONE IGNORANCE.

reply to post by Seitler

The rest of the world is going to get fed up and slaughter anyone that refuses to denounce Islam (or something close to those lines) for fear that it will spread to their own towns and homes

Please talk for yourself, not the rest of the world.

Not everyone thinks like you, or dresses like you, or have the same phobics as you.

Once again, speak for yourself, not for others.

Such a shame that Islamic men are so inferior to the rest of the worlds males. They are so insecure and unattractive that they have to scare the women into sticking around. Come on into the 21st century and experience the freedom of allowing other men to see a woman's face. Its like if a man sees a woman's face outside of her burka, he will get so excited that he cant resist humping her leg like a dog? Such a shame the woman habe to put up with such slime.
I say we get all the woman over to the US and show them how to have the best orgasms of their lives! Some of them are extremely hairy yet that doesnt matter, lets do em anyway. Sexual liberation for all female woman! Dont let your overly hairy, scrawny and insecure men hold you down any longer.

p.s. Actually, its quite a known fact that when these ladies can get away from the stone weilding boys, they come get serviced by real men (and we dont throw stones at them afterwards)

Is it just me or is this just a re-hash of propaganda ? This happened in 1994 ffs ...

Originally posted by reatarded
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Pardon me:

Insanity number #1:
You have taken the worst of Sharia law and compared it with the best of Western law. Are you willing to compare the worst of Western law to worst of Sharia law?

The Worst of Western Law:

An innocent Western handicapped man physically and psychologically tortured for 20 years, before being freed for being innocent.
- Source -

There's no moral equivalence here, no defence for the practice, no justification, it's just absolutely and utterly barbaric, and to a degree, if there wasn't a larger agenda involved, it reminds me of why we're there fighting, we cannot have a world wherein this kind of thing is taking place. It's unacceptable. Period.

Since when do we " Westerners" have a right to condemn their religion?....open your eyes and see what we have done to other so called inferior lands and people, I'm not defending Islam nor condemning it, their are good and bad sides to nearly all religions on this blue planet.
Will people look back at us in disgust in the future because we sit others in chairs and electrocute them, or stick needles in their arms and watch them slowly die.
It says in the Bible "Do not judge for you will be judged at the day of reckoning".
I understand the disgust that some have here, I feel pity for those people and their families, so I therefore can not judge them knowing too well that our society isn't "humaner" in any way.

reply to post by Daniyal


So you think stoning and then shooting a female is okay? Men can go around and have as many partners as they want and can get away with it. I will call is as I see it. It is babaric, if you dont like my comments tough. . All of this in the name of a Religion? How can islam be called a religion when babaric things like this are carried out and glorified.

Disgusting to say the least.

reply to post by Lyrian


Yes, but as long as these kind of practices are occuring, how can anyone be at peace, and how can God's love be made manifest in the world..? I say this ought to make us all weep, unless it was set up and orchestrated at some level by the CIA to keep the low level warfare going on there indefinitely.. something I cannot rule out.

Originally posted by Seitler
I brought up the people that lived here in the Americas BEFORE the Europeans brought Christianity with them, she simply said, "They are all in hell. God probably didn't even know they were over here yet."

That would be simply hilarious, if it weren't so sad..

reply to post by NewAgeMan


If it unacceptable it wouldn't happen.

Simple argument really.

reply to post by reatarded

That's very strange reasoning.. not a very good argument, at all.

Are you saying that anything that happens must be acceptible simply because it happened? That's absurd.

P.S. Your ass is on fire.