Stoning execution caught on camera

My comments were directed at that group of people. I in no way took anyone's comments as a insulting toward anyone, except that crowd of people.

But to do that in the name of any religion, Pathetic...

this is horrible. im glad i live in america

that there belief there country there life.... not our place to change it
if it's not our citizen our against our country we should keep our hands out of it....

leave them to live there way......

reply to post by groingrinder


And what would make you think I follow any book? My point was purely related with media and propaganda. Not which book is right or wrong. I click Internet Explorer and there in my face on the yahoo home page is,"Stoning execution caught on camera".

I sit and wonder how many kids get on the computer to have this shoved in there face. Kids will think its awesome, click it, find the real video and end up with bad images of "Taliban" in there head. It's bad what goes on there, but this would be a common occurance and to report on one relentlessly desensitizing event leads to me wonder.

The cuts of the video they provide in the original article are terrrible. The first thing someone will do it try to find better un-edited footage and in doing so will subject to the message of hate.

reply to post by spearhead


I agree. I hate the way Yahoo does this. You go in to check your emais in the morning and yahoo has trawled the world finding the most demoralizing and upsetting stories to plaster all over your page.

Its sick. What a great way to start your day. Thanks Yahoo.

Fearmongers.

In America, people often spend 30 years in jail for a crime they did not commit. Often they wait 20 years in death roll to be executed. We're not any better.

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I saw this on the news yesterday/day before and it was harrowing.


And as I discussed with someone, what was worse than the actual stoning for me, was the look of excitement and anticipation on the faces of those about to do the stoning.
The click-clacking of rocks and the pure joy that some of these "people" (i use the term loosely as to call them animals would be an insult to animals) seemed to display was sickening.... truly.

And absolutely awful story.

They were apparently tricked into coming back into the village by the Taliban and then ambushed.

The guy declared his love for the woman up until he was shot....

So sad

That video was just cruel and insane..I was completely repulsed by this kind of barbarism ..this makes me very sad the rules need to change over there and soon but we know that wont happen..

Originally posted by GodofWar411
that there belief there country there life.... not our place to change it
if it's not our citizen our against our country we should keep our hands out of it....

leave them to live there way......

And if we do nothing then it will be...

...COMING to a neighborhood near YOU!

This is the point: We must try to end this indignant form of punishment before it spreads to our own home towns. Its like an ant problem... they start out in small numbers, but once they know good food is around they swarm enmass.

Originally posted by Okandetre
Well if found guilty of this crime (not if they were or weren't or if you think it is a crime itself) it's what the good book prescribes as a just punishment.

So what is in the "bad" book?

reply to post by PETROLCOIN

I'm not excusing their behavior. I'm simply questioning the logic (and sanity) of resorting to nuking an entire country because two people got stoned.

Maybe not the whole country, many muslims in bigger cities like Kabul may be relatively liberal.

But that village should definately be droned. They are ALL guilty of brutal murder, as seen in the video. If it was on me, I would order to bomb it and write it off as collateral damage. Maybe get the children out before, if it would be possible.

reply to post by Seitler

People are always free in their own mind, even if the society around them forces them not to speak about it (for example), but when someone says something like "reeducating them and cutting them off from their cult" it reminds me of those situations in which people have been "reeducated" and "cut off" from their own thoughts in some countries. And I am not speaking Middle East countries or some ignored African country, I am talking about countries like Portugal, where we were not free to speak our minds without fear of disappearing into some "reeducation" camp in the African colonies. And that was just 37 years ago.

Religion is one of the things people can chose based on their own thoughts, and if we take away their freedom to chose what religion they want to follow then we are not helping anyone.

Originally posted by Maslo
If their cult is incinting violence, it is justified. Religious freedom does not include freedom to promote these ideas.

And is it justified when we want to force our own thoughts into other people?

Religious freedom, to me, is just another form of freedom of thought, and that is the only freedom we can have as long as we live, even if we are forced to do things we do not want or like, even if we are being held with no reason or even tortured, even when we are dying, our thoughts are the only thing in which we can really be free.

I would rather be stoned to death than to have someone else's thoughts forced into my head.

PS: I don't think death penalty by stoning for adultery cases is inciting violence.

Originally posted by blupblup
And as I discussed with someone, what was worse than the actual stoning for me, was the look of excitement and anticipation on the faces of those about to do the stoning.
The click-clacking of rocks and the pure joy that some of these "people" (i use the term loosely as to call them animals would be an insult to animals) seemed to display was sickening.... truly.

Yes, like those people that film with their cellphones someone dying and do not help just because it will have "millions of views" and they will look "cool" (or whatever they call it now) to the eyes of their peers.

It's not really a religious problem, it's a human nature problem.

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I see your point. Try to see mine.

I am not saying that we remove their ability to choose a religion. I am saying we teach them how to properly fit in with the WORLD society. I honestly WANT them to think and speak what they want, but if you are Muslim and tell a Talib that you want to convernt to ANYTHING, they will not hessitate to kill you.

Yes, they have a government to regulate state business, but it is weak and the Talibs have infiltrated the entire network. We, as a global force, need to go in and clean up the mess... and by mess I mean the lies and misconceptions the average population has of the rest of the world. After we clean out all the "gunk" from their government and cities/villages, then the can help them to better understand the RIGHT to choose for one's own self. We don't need to tell them what to choose, only what choices are there to be made.

Once the "evil" or "radical" people are out of the way, then we will truly start to see the Middle East open up to the rest of the world. Until then, the Talibs will keep oppressing the entire region. This is going to end in one of two ways: (1) The people take control and "get rid" of the Talibs however they see fit (2) The rest of the world is going to get fed up and slaughter anyone that refuses to denounce Islam (or something close to those lines) for fear that it will spread to their own towns and homes.

Trust me, its just like the rest of the religious wars that have ever been waged; the only difference is the date and weapons being used.

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Religious freedom is not freedom of thought. They can think what they want.

People can think for example that all jews should be killed, thats not illegal (and shouldnt be, thoghtcrime is really orwellian). But if they start to actively promote such ideas that lead to infringement on basic human rights of others (which includes right to adequate punishment for the crime! - thus promoting stoning for adultery falls in this category), they should be prosecuted. Freedom of speech ends where incitement to infringe upon basic human rights begins - simple as that. Thats why promoting nazism is illegal (and imho also promoting soviet style communism should be).

Originally posted by Seitler
And if we do nothing then it will be...

...COMING to a neighborhood near YOU!

So, to avoid something bad we do something bad?

That was probably the reasoning behind the idea to send US navy ships to Portugal when we got rid of a 48 years old dictatorship. Instead of helping the US only thought of pointing their guns to the Portuguese parliament just in case some of the communists freshly released from the political police prison started spreading their ideas.

This is the point: We must try to end this indignant form of punishment before it spreads to our own home towns. Its like an ant problem... they start out in small numbers, but once they know good food is around they swarm enmass.

I think death penalty in any form is an indignant form of punishment, but that doesn't mean that I will say that we must stop the US from having the death penalty "before it spreads to our own home towns".

Fearmongering is just another form of spreading hatred.

Originally posted by Xcathdra


1 - A wrongful conviction can be rectified, and also allows the damaged party to seek damages because he is still alive. A brutal murder is just that and is permanent.

When I said how do you differentiate, I didn't mean differentiate murder and conviction/sentence in common terms.
- Let me explain -
Why do we call murder, "murder", and the death sentence, "death sentence"? To answer, murder is called murder, because it is an action committed outside the boundaries of law. The death sentence is the same exact action, but done inside the boundaries of law.

2 - kidnapping is where a person is forcefully abducted against their will, depriving that individual of their legal and constitutional rights absent a court of law.

The only difference between imprisonment and kidnapping is that one is done outside the law, the other within the boundaries of law. They are both the same action, they both hold someone against their will etc. The handicapped victim of the law was wrongfully convicted. The Adulterers in Afghanistan were wrongfully trialled. The whole process was wrong.

Physical torture is when a person is physically harmed / injured in order to produce a response or certain behavior.

The beatings you get in prison is physical torture, the guards won't stop the other inmates from bashing you in the head until you have a swollen face. It is because want you to behave in certain way.

A wrongful conviction is a breakdown in the legal system where an innocent person is incarcerated for a crime they did not commit.

Yes, an innocent man can be convicted wrongfully within the law and outside the law. For example I compared this adultery case to Western Gangsta culture where snitches usually gets sentenced to death, or physical torture. They almost always do not have proper trials, there are no proper judges, usually no witnesses needed etc. It is a mess, because there are two laws, one official, the other cultural, it exists everywhere in the world.

and again, under western law all of the above are able to be challeneged in court, and the wronged parties have a legal avenue for redress of greivances.

Yes I know you can, I was talking about the worst of Western law, which produces results as bad as stoning case. That being said, the stoning case is not following any laws, to put it in a simpler term, it is an angry mob.

The 2 people who were killed in the OP - Were lied to by the authorites. We forcefully removed from their houses at 2 am. Were brought before 2 mullahs who held an illegal judicial proceeding, who then passed a death sentence and then carried it out.

Yes, and the deaf man was lied to by the authorities, trying to make him believe that he was guilty, they forcefully made him go through 20 years physical and psychological torture. Everything was done legally, but the result was the one of the worst case scenario.

My question for you is if you acknowledge in my last post that Sharia law was not followed in this case, so why are you trying to compare it to Western law? The response you gave me seemed to indicate that what occured with the mullahs actions was in violation of Sharia law, but you seem to approve of the actions and results of what occured.

I try to compare it to Western law because I feel like the whole incident have been abused by ATS members, using it to bash Islam. I have said before that the incident is the worst product of Sharia law, which should be compared to the worst product of Western law, that way we can create some perspective and not leave it one sided.

Did I miss read your argument, or do you support what occured to these 2 people?

I do not support what happened to these people, but I understand why and what happened as I compare the situation to not just Western law, but Western cultural law.

If Sharia law is violated, then how come they think they would go to heaven?

Who thinks who would go to heaven?

As a foillow up, what do you mean perspective is everything?

edit on 28-1-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

I have explained it above 3 quotes above.

Originally posted by PoorFool
In America, people often spend 30 years in jail for a crime they did not commit. Often they wait 20 years in death roll to be executed. We're not any better.

MTE. it seems innocent prisoners are released on a weekly basis in the USA - those few who had someone going to bat for them, spending a fortune on legal fees or having an in at Project Innocence. i'd rather be stoned to death than be locked in a prison with scum of the earth who treat men like a wife.

So much outrage for a stranger in another part of the world. Meanwhile there are hundreds of babies aborted across this country every day. Where's the outrage for them?

reply to post by ArMaP


This is not fear mongering. Before 9/11 happened, most Americans (sad to say) probably could not even locate the Middle East on a globe. Some STILL can't, but that's off topic and for the education section. This "fearmongering" was brought on by an attack on our soil, killing innocent civilians. They are already making their rounds throughout the world, and if you think I am full of s--t, then take a look at all of the random suicide bombings that have been linked to, or outright claimed and celebrated by, the insurgent networks in the Middle East.

I was not around when Portugal (probably not spelling that right) was having these issues. I am sorry for the trouble that you had to go through. I am sorry that the US military did not fight your battles as well. You seemed to have come through, as a country, fairly okay. Then again, I've never been there, so I really don't know.

Don't condemn an entire region of the world for the mistakes that were made in the past. Lets come together as a united global civilization and erase all this badness from our world. Oh wait... even if that were to happen, some one would complain about NWO and the Anti-Christ and everything else.

(Just as a refresher, if you take the Bible as pure fact, then the world can NEVER function as one. That would mean armaggedon is just around the bend. So were are damned if we do, and we are damned if we don't. I say we at least TRY to make things better!)

---Booo!!!! LargeFries for bringing abortion into this. Poor form, poor form indeed