Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate

Obama campaigned on open government and transparency, seems he was concerned about "regular Americans" trust in our government.

As president, Obama will restore the American people’s trust in their government by making government more open and transparent and by giving regular Americans unprecedented new tools to keep track of government officials, who they are meeting with, who is giving them money and how they are spending taxpayer dollars.

Do you remember this silly little sheep? We have to pass it before you can know what's in it

Obama does what he wants to do and answers to no one.

This will be a hot subject if he campaigns for a second term. I suspect he has already taken care of the issue. First he will pass it then he'll let us know it isn't up for discussion, disclosure.

Time will tell I guess.

SL

Originally posted by CaDreamer
the Unconstitutional law that AZ wishes to foist upon its people would make ineligible millions of Americans from becoming president.

You mean the law that says candidates must prove their constitutional eligibility is unconstitutional?

That's an interesting situation. How do you figure that? How would it make millions of Americans ineligible?

More to the point, it would have no effect on Obama (presuming he has valid birth records) because the Hawaii Department of Health said they have more records on file they'd be happy to provide to the Obama campaign upon request. On the other hand, I don't know how credible Tim Adams is, but from the OP story:

Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there.

That doesn't mean he's ineligible if he wasn't born at either of those hospitals, he could have been born at home and that would still count him as a natural born citizen, but these conflicting reports about where he was actually born even in Hawaii are disconcerting. I'm surprised nobody seems to know or will make an official statement to contradict Tim Adams. I mean what could be so private about being born at Kapiolani that they wouldn't at least release that much official information, with Obama's permission? Actually Kapiolani had a statement that Obama was born there posted at one time, but rather than confirming it, they removed it, adding to the intrigue of this story.

But yeah if records are destroyed in a fire and you can't prove who you say you are or where you were born, then proving you are a natural born citizen may be difficult. Hopefully records offices are converting records to electronic format like document scans, and keeping offsite backups of the electronic records so a fire won't destroy them any more.

There is also a side issue of intentionally falsified records, for adoptions, etc, though that doesn't seem to be an issue with Obama. But it is an issue in general that would make it prudent to see source documents to verify eligibility.

Short forms are too easy to falsify, that's why California won't accept them anymore for many purposes. Apparently it's harder to fake a doctor's signature and other aspects of the long form, than a computer generated printout that doesn't even list the doctor's name, or maybe California could explain it better but I know fraud was a driving factor in not accepting short forms there. I'm not saying Obama's is fraudulent but again supporting why it might not be a bad idea to see source documents to verify eligibility in regard to the constitutional requirements for office in general, for all future candidates.

Obviously, Obama has something to hide. He has been evasive with almost all aspects of his life including his birth, his education and grades, his health. Where there is smoke people.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


LOL!

Yes, it would make millions of illegal "Americans".....illegal?

The law ....... would make us enforce ....... the laws?

Yes, I see the problem, or do I? What was the argument again?

Seriously,
The states have the right to restrict their ballots however they want, and the U.S. Constitution already has parameters for "natural born citizen" and any state that wants to proactively define that term and nip this situation in the bud is a good state in my opinion! McCain had his eligibility tested, so why not Obama?

Originally posted by Intelearthling
reply to post by Advantage

 

Obama was born in 1961. All blacks were Negroes at the time.

Africa was a continent. 1961. Negro. 1961. Negro. Don't try and ignore facts.

I'm not trying to be offensive to anyone here. Negro is spanish for black.

edit on 19/1/11 by Intelearthling because: (no reason given)

its also short hand for the word "negroid"whites are Caucasians or "Caucasoid"

Maybe Obama really was born outside of the US.

This issue may come up when he vies for re-election....and maybe then the truth will come out.

you know what is amazing about this. i do not even know where my birth certificate is. but i damn well DO KNOW that if i could not find it, i could simply go and get another one.

like, if i needed a passport, and i needed that certificate, i could get it.

yet, obamo had to jump thru 1000 hoops to produce a xerox of his.

am i the only one who can easily get their passport? or am i just lucky?

Originally posted by 4nsicphd
reply to post by 46ACE

 

Yeah, it's 18 U.S.C. Section 1001, and it's a misdemeanor. It doesn't convert a document to perjury. Words mean something. Inexactness in expression means there is an inexactness in thinking. It depreciates the message.

ad hominem.
I knew there was something down there...
Think I couldn't have punched into google and found it? inexactness?I I have pretty much washed my hands of this entire argument, I'm no longer trying to convince anybody and I'm not going to be persuaded the other way with out a serious break through one way or the other. Quibbling on internet forums is just a mental version of masturbation (feels good but doesn't really accomplish anything). just can't help but point out the issues I see with some of the side stepping canned responses:i.e." you didn't ask for the other 44 birth certificates!".

Implication : Its simply a race issue and I'm a racist for questioning.

In reality the two have no relationship.I didn't ask to see Siilverstein's insurance documents on wtc 7 but the building came down just the same.

Think of the damage that this Hawaii governor has just done compared to what all the birthers have done? There is really no comparison. I think this one act solidifies the birther movement more than any right wing radio show. Didn't they see this coming? Either they have to quickly create a fake or maybe this was intentional to begin with.

He has fought for the illegals (if the line of immigration isn't to be drawn at illegal immigration, then where can it be drawn?) He sues Arizona for standing up for immigration laws which Obama himself should follow (by law he must.) I know Americans who feel this to be a stab in the back, after promising to serve the interests of his people. But think about it. Obama's aunt is an illegal. He has refused to provide his birth certificate to prove that he himself is a legal resident. It's pretty obvious really.

Ok so why am I hearing about this on my nightly news here in Italy, but there’s nothing on American news?
Hmmm...
So, the President is going to have to put up or shut up I guess, right?
Right???

peace

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
The article says long form, not original.

Birthers demand the original birth certificate, not further information printed and copied off by hawaiian health authorities. So no, it's not merely an extended birth certificate that birthers along with this arizona representitive are demanding. Also, in Hawaii and other states there are two kinds of birth certificates. The original long form birth certificare or short form birth certificate. The notion that arizona is going to dictate eligibility rules for other states is simply a joke and obviously will not happen.

As I said, this arizona representitive is playing his constitutuents and playing you. He knows full well this birther bill as with the others will not go anywhere.

Please look at the sample of a 1961 long form birth certificate from Hawaii I posted.

Yes I see it, it is the 1961 original long form birth certificate from WND. So make up your mind, either this law requires the original long form birth certificate or not.

Anyway the Hawaii state officials said they had more documentation and would release it to the Obama campaign on request, so there shouldn't be an issue if Obama or his aides request it.

Actually, neither Obama or his aides are obligated. Obama went through the vetting process as with any other president during the elections more than 2 years ago, he should not be required to go any further because some disgruntled voters. When 2012 comes, and if Romney wins the elections, I'm going to move on with life. It ain't good sitting on these forums demanding and whining about something that came and went.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

i had to get my birth certificate and my parents and my grandparents to apply for dual citizenship and it only took me 1 hour to do so (all long forms) and nobody had to sign anything other than me paying the fee of $20 for each one. All you need is DOB and that's it so not sure why it's so difficult unless you want to purposely hide it.
Don't the Mormon's have the world's largest data base on family histories so why not just ask them?
things that make you go hum
To me it seems like everyone in office is just a bunch on spoiled babies still in kindergarten and never grew up understanding anything other than what they want and could care less about anyone else.
Asking for Obama's birth certificate is like asking for the video tape of the plane hitting the pentagon.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
Obama campaigned on open government and transparency,

And you believed him? Should you be laughing?

Originally posted by Skippy1138
Um- yes I REALLY have my 43 year-old birth certificate in my wallet.Did you think I was lying?

No not really, just surprised as I do not know much people who have their 43year old original birth certificates let along carry it in their wallets. Things happen over a period of 30 or 40 years, but well done to you and your parents for looking after that birth certificate. It'd be silly however to expect everybody else to still have theirs.

Just out of curiosity, is there a process regarding birth certificates and running for POTUS? That's a question I haven't really seen covered in the media.

Do all presidential candidates have to submit a birth certificate to some government agency before running?

Originally posted by laslidealist
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

i had to get my birth certificate and my parents and my grandparents to apply for dual citizenship and it only took me 1 hour to do so (all long forms)

You had to get a new birth certificate? What happened to your original? This is what birthers demand, you know? Obama actually did get his birth certificate and showed it to the public, and birthers demanded his original birth certificate.

To me it seems like everyone in office is just a bunch on spoiled babies

The administration consists of spoiled babies because they are not listening to the whining and screaming from birthers. Ok.

Originally posted by 46ACE

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by anumohi
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

the sheriff of that county can access it without any authority

Is this a joke or serious? Does he? And will you be able to prove 44 long form birth certificates from all the presidents we've had? Thanks.

We citizens are sick of that sidestepping response:
( "didja;' ask for the other 44!") We never had reason to question the other presidents.

So, you want this president to show you his original birth certificate to uphold the constitution, but you don't require other presidents because... you don't care about them? That is a great case you are making there for the birther movement.

If you don't have the original birth certificates for the other presidents, just say so. Simple.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Birthers demand the original birth certificate, not further information printed and copied off by hawaiian health authorities.

I don't pretend to know all birther demands, but I've read the birther petition here:
www.wnd.com...

We, the undersigned, assert our rights as citizens of the United States in demanding that the constitutional eligibility requirement be taken seriously and that any and all controlling legal authorities in this matter examine the complete birth certificate of Barack Obama, including the actual city and hospital of birth, and make that document available to the American people for inspection.

I see something about wanting to know the city and hospital of birth, which I can understand after all the confusion about that, but I don't see the word "original" anywhere in that petition, nor do I understand your usage of the word "original".

My interpretation, or at least one interpretation of an original document, might be the one where the physician's pen actually touches the paper when he signs it. I'd call that original.

I'm pretty sure what the Hawaii department of Health officials offered to provide to the Obama campaign would be some kind of reproduction of either that original (if they have it), or a reproduction of whatever documentation they have.

So make up your mind, either this law requires the original long form birth certificate or not.

Actually, neither Obama or his aides are obligated.

I didn't say they were obligated. And I haven't read the law AZ is considering, just the article saying the law would require the long form birth certificate. I didn't see the word "original".

i don't find it shocking they can't find an original hospital record in hawaii. hawaii became a state in 1959, barack obama was born in 1961. hawaii was barely a state when he was born.

what better state to plant a phoney cover story of birth, one that was still transitioning from a territory to a state.

the bureaucracy must of been mind-boggling. if they said he was born new york, it would be near impossible to pull off.

i don't think its a conspiracy, i think baracks mother, recently divorced and forced to raise her son by herself, found it easier to claim that her son was born in america. i think she wanted her son to have all the privileges and benefits that an american citizen has and not be left out because his dad walked.