Radical Islam - The Biggest Threat to your Freedoms

Islam=bad

Every other religion=bad

answer=none, we all must die before religion itself dies and its crazy grip on our lives fades, religion will likely be with us until the end, and the cause of the end.

What can you do= nothing but just live happily knowing 2/3 of the world is mislead and live happily with false faith

Who am I to say everyone but me are messed up? Nobody, but I am entitled to my opinion, and my opinion is you're sheeple

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady

 

But the reality is that today, in the here and now and not 70 or 200 or a thousand years ago, radical and extremist Islam poses more of a threat than Christianity and the other major religions or belief systems.

On the contrary, "radical Muslim" as you call Muslims are not a threat to anyone. Muslims are from all parts of the world and with different interests. Overwhelming Muslims live countries dominated by horrible dictators that corrupt civic life and undermine the aspirations ordinary Muslim people. Most of these dictators that are sponsored by Western governments. This sponsorship is in the form of death squad training, helping Western friendly strongmen for secret police and subcontracting torture to these strongmen.

That's not excusing or dismissing the events of yesterday, but we must learn from them, not allow them to be repeated and move forward.

The actions of yesterday have ramifications today. The contempt most bigots on this thread invariable have towards AfroAmericans is a consequence of the cultural wretchedness inherited from the Christian TransAtlantic Slave trade. You see, the slave trade controlled the person by destroying all anchor points of the psychi. These anchor points are heritage, language and the family unit. When you refer to black people in America as an ethnic group, most bigots snort in contempt.

I assure you if any radical interpretation of biblical teachings and laws were posing as much a threat I would be equally as opposed and active in trying to prevent it's spread. But it isn't, at least not here in the UK.

Oh but it is happening in the UK. Christian groups in the UK, overwhelmingly mimicking their American counterparts, are whipping up conflict with British Muslims. Various fringe Christian groups in Britain have set themselves as vigilante groups an engage in organised stalking campaigns against vulnerable Muslims that live in amongst. But in the end most Christians don't have to radically interpret the Bible when the Holocaust kicked off, they just did it. You see, the purpose of the organised stalking of Muslim students living away from home for the first time, divorced Muslims living alone and so on is to subject them to the odd campaign of being followed around by believers and having their privacy violated. It is only a matter of time when Christians start murdering Muslims in the West. Christians(Xe) are already murdering Afghanis and have already murdered over a million Iraqis.

reply to post by Haydn_17


I've made my thoughts known on my first few posts in this thread about the edl, and yes i am aware they have a jewish divison, this makes them all zionists to Catbin/Oozy even though the majority of the Edl couldn't point to israel on a map never mind have an actual opinion on the state.

One law for all are quite interesting and are worth looking into they are made up of quite a lot of muslims, they denounce the Edl and want nothing to do with them. The Uaf still countered them though.

From there site

* We call on the UK government to recognise that Sharia and all religious laws are arbitrary and discriminatory against women and children in particular. Citizenship and human rights are non-negotiable.

www.onelawforall.org.uk...

reply to post by mayabong


Not when you live in the UK, and if you watch the first video in the OP you can clearly see a then Government minister, talking about his hopes for the whole UK parliament to be muslim, and I personally have a far greater fear of suddenly being part of an Islamic state and being subject to Sharia law, as a woman it would be catastrophic for me and for my daughter! At least greedy bankers don't tell me what to wear and how to conduct my life, yes they may rob me blind, but at least I have the choice to live my life as I please.

“There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without sword, without gun, without conquest. We don’t need terrorists; we don’t need homicide bombers. The 50 plus million Muslims (in Europe) will turn it into the Muslim Continent within a few decades.”
- Colonel Gaddafi of Libya

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
This is the nature of faith. What puzzles me is why Pew feels the need to scrutinies Muslims in Europe when it is a polling company based in the US that does political surveys.

You don't seem to have an argument with polls, rather just the motivation for commissioning them.

Here is another one on British Muslim attitudes.

(1)

In respect of the Danish cartoon controversy, 73% of British Muslims feel that the cause for the controversy is Western disrespect (9% feel it is Muslim intolerance).

(2)

Interestingly, while 49% of British Muslims feel that Westerners are respectful to women, a significant 44% believe they are not.

59% of non Muslim Britons feel that Muslims are not respectful to women, while only 26% feel they are.

(3)

In response to the question, Is there a conflict being a devout Muslim and living in a Western society?

54% of British Muslims feels that there is while 35% see no conflict.

In response to the question "Can violence against civilian targets in order to defend Islam be Justified?"

Only slightly over 1 in 7 (15%) of Muslims said it could (rarely or sometimes), while 64% said it could never be justified

(4)

How do British Muslims see Westerners?

67% describe Westerns as selfish, 64% as arrogant and 52% as violent.

British non-Muslims on the other hand describe Muslims as fanatical 48%, as violent 32% and as arrogant 35%.

(5)

84% of British Muslims are concerned with the rise in Islamic extremism in the world, while only 14% of British Muslim have confidence in Bin Laden, while 68% have little to no confidence in him.

(6)

Worryingly, 12% of British Muslims claim that many or most British Muslims support Al Qaeda.

pewglobal.org...

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by mayabong

 

Not when you live in the UK, and if you watch the first video in the OP you can clearly see a then Government minister, talking about his hopes for the whole UK parliament to be muslim, and I personally have a far greater fear of suddenly being part of an Islamic state and being subject to Sharia law, as a woman it would be catastrophic for me and for my daughter! At least greedy bankers don't tell me what to wear and how to conduct my life, yes they may rob me blind, but at least I have the choice to live my life as I please.

Ok lets switch. You bring your daughter and live in my house, I bring my son and live in your house over there. We can make a documentary or something.

Really though, yes I don't know what its like over there. I do think the media plays a huge huge role both over there and over here, because they need to people to be very scared of muslims so they can keep this war machine going and going and going.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Classic deflection again.

Show me one bigoted post about 'AfroAmericans' in this thread!

You have plucked that out of thin air and made it up in a pathetic attempt to gain support.

And as for 'Christian TransAtlantic Slave Trade?
WTF has that got to do with the thread topic.
In what would prove to be an interesting exercise start a thread on it and i'll gladly contribute.

You are an absolute disgrace to ATS.

And I assure you, the UK faces no threat at all from extremist Christians, at present.
There are a few 'happy clappy' congregations spread across the country but they aren't that vocal and certainly not taken very seriously.

reply to post by Haydn_17


Yeah! Let's preach about freedom and impose a form of subjugation on those we disagree with! That isn't conducive to freedom at all! USA USA USA USA!

reply to post by mayabong


That would probably make for a very interesting documentary

But seriously, I do agree that the media do at times fan the flames but the reality is often quite frightening as well, the poster maclaineinc made some very valid points about his observations of day to day life, and although I am currently in Scotland, where the issues are not quite so bad, I previously lived in Blackburn in the north of England, which has a large muslim population and even back in the early 90's there were no-go areas for whites in the area, I also have friends throughout the UK, who do experience some of the more alarming aspects of extreme Islam and many of the "media-hype" stories do in fact occur on a very regular basis and are having a significant impact on people's lives, but we are now immersed in the multi-culture society that is free to slate white british citizens at every opportunity but dare not make a single complaint about islamification for fear of being branded, and possibly charged with racism or religious intolerance.

reply to post by Freeborn

Classic deflection again. Show me one bigoted post about 'AfroAmericans' in this thread! You have plucked that out of thin air and made it up in a pathetic attempt to gain support.

Nothing to do with deflection mate. I don't need to play word games or logic inversions like the bigots on this thread. I also responded to you fairly comprehensively and you merely latched onto to an off hand comment.

I take the view that nobody wakes up one day and has a problem with one group of human beings just like that. You can have an issue with democrats, conservatives or political views of others in a very specific way but not in fundamentals like faith, people's conscious or skin colour.

My wife is AfroAmerican and from Maryland and she calls American religious bigots, she includes chav EDL types, as howling jackass and something that rhymes with shunt. Basically she maintains that the same people fixated on black folks are getting their rocks of baiting Muslims. It is the usual faces she says.

I feel the threat of radical Islam is whipped up and exaggerated by the media, to keep us divided and by the looks of how this thread has degenerated into name calling it seems to work well.

I think the more moderate Muslims do need to be more vocal and speak out against radicalism. If they do already, it's seriously underreported.

As for a Muslim parliament, I feel the idea is absurd, but what's even more absurd is that a government minister had mentioned such a thing.

I wish Malcolm X was still alive, Martin Luther King too. A Muslim and Christian respectively.

Malcolm X expressed his desire to work with Martin Luther King, sadly Malcolm's assassination in 1965 meant this was never to happen.

you'd think with the amount of Islamic law in France they'd be able to speak freely about the holocaust but they can't so I'll agree that all radical religions are the biggest threat to our freedoms but you might as well include them all and not just focus on Islam.

Amazing how stupid people are..and for the record..I don't give one what colour creed anyone is ..we all bleed and go to the toilet, however, I have been about and had Muslim, Sikh and Hindu friends..however, I am in touch with reality..the Sikhs Hundu's that have settled in the UK do not want to be identified because of colour ..anything to do with Islam..thier culture come from similar routes and both understand how perniciuos Islam is ..the Sihks Hindus cannot understand how stupid the western world is and the threat on its doorstep..

Yet ultimately they will stand by us when the reckoning comes ..as it will...and all the liberal cry racist. ..yet truth is they are stupid they are played and will become prey...Islam is predatory and indeed intelligent..it knows the art of war. to use the system, use the liberal values and how to lie......in their chosen land ..ultimately the agenda of the fifth column...and all those that protect the values in the western world are used..yet they haven't a clue..yet..given time ..their children will never be free..once Islam takes hold..and it will ..if this is remained unchecked.....

There are serious problems with Islam in western countries ..and for those that believe we are all the same in the western world...we are but there is a problem with Islam in the fact that the whole religion sets themselves apart from the ..unbelievers..


Those that think some of the stuff posted is racist..maybe some is ..but there is an underlying fact ..there is something ammis when you do some research..and those that deny ..will be the first to sell out as they have not the backbone to question...IMHO

The appearance of thugs spouting is a danger sign ..had this with Adolf Hitler...and to me that is the scary stuff of nightmares..because between the two and what will happen there will be no compromise as each will look at the other as subhuman..another point in the human race is that the middle east tend to kill randomly ..the west will kill systematically..and going past history of what the west has done ...its a scary thought...the west has has built an infrastructure for death and destruction..and if it turns..the west without any morals would create a hell on earth...

conspiracy at its best.
and remember there is always a bit of truth in it.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Well, your wife must be right......or maybe not!

You raised two subjects which have absolutely nothing to do with this subject of this thread.

1. You alleged there has been 'AfroAmerican' bigotry in this thread.
I asked you to provide one example.
You haven't.
Why?
Because you can't, because there isn't any.
So you delierately made it up.
You lied.
You are a liar.
Why?
To deflect and as a pathetic and underhand attempt a labelling people a racist and bigot.
Pretty damn low in my book and downright contemptuous.

2. 'Christian TransAtlantic Slave trade.
What relevance is there between that and the topic under discussion?
Deflection again.
An attempt to play on people's emotions and link those that have concerns with extremist Islam and the slave trade.
Absolutely pathetic.

And I really fail to see what relevance your wife has, what ethnicity she is and what she has to say unless she is signed up as a member and chooses to contribute to the discussion, hopefully in a far more balaced and reasoned way than you have!

And for the record; I don't have a problem with the people, I have a problem with the belief system and how it is used to control and manpulate people, how it is barbaric and repressive and restricts personal freedoms.

I don't expect you to even attempt to understand the basic but all important difference.

reply to post by shuck


Oh I see; you are taking the, "I am not a racist because we all bleed and go to the toilet and I have had Muslim, Sikh and Hindu friends and not only me by all the people of the Hindu and Sikh religions have bigoted views on Islam but it is not bigoted because I believe Islam is pernicious..." tack.

The fact is, you made a very long and unsubstantiated claim so that you can register yourself as a religious bigot.

Originally posted by Freeborn
And as for 'Christian TransAtlantic Slave Trade?
WTF has that got to do with the thread topic.

Its interesting that he brought that up

“Scholars estimate that about 12,000,000 Africans were sold by Africans to Europeans…

…and 17,000,000 were sold to Arabs.

www.scaruffi.com...

The Muslim Barbary Corsairs, between the 16th & 19th centuries, enslaved over 1 million Europeans
by seizing them from as far away as Ireland & Iceland, while the Ottomans also directly enslaved large numbers of Europeans either directly through their imperial colonial wars of conquest or as required tribute from already conquered European territories.For instance, the famous Ottoman Janissaries were Christian Greek, Albanian, Serb, Bosnian, Ukrainian and Southern Russian slaves bought as young boys.

It is an interesting fact that at the time of the Spanish Armada, Barbary pirates were raiding the coasts of Britain & Ireland and seizing the populations of whole villages which were then sold as slaves in the Ottoman slave markets. Women were greatly preferred. Men were often castrated.

The Barbary pirates justified their piracy and slavery to Thomas Jefferson and John Adams in 1785 in the following terms

“It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.”

While the British managed to largely force the stop of the slave trade on the high seas, the overland African slave trade by the Arabs continued. Slavery continues to this day in two, now Islamic, countries colonised by Islamic Arabs – Mauritania and Sudan (with an estimated 600,000 and 200,000 slaves respectively).

As recently, as 1950, it is thought that 20% (450,000) of Saudi Arabia’s population was slaves. Surprisingly, slavery still continues in the Arab states of the Persian Gulf to this day.

Check out Wikipedia or a host of other websites which detail the historical extent of the Aran Muslim slave trade.


The poor chap doesn't have a clue what he talking about.

'Christian TransAtlantic Slave Trade' indeed. The Muslims were slavers before and after the Christians and bigger slavers to boot.

reply to post by ollncasino


You are quite correct.
Slavery also has a very long history in Africa and beyond, since well before the 'coming of the white man'.
And it's ironic that Christian White Abolitionists were at the very heart of the fight to outlaw slavery.

But I didn't want to derail the thread which was why I was hoping he would have started a thread on the subject.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady



Not bigoted at all each person has a right to believe what they will ..it comes down to a collective agenda..I only write from experience..and work on a logical conclusion ....I am old enough and experienced enough not to be niave of human nature ...but you have your view and I have mine ..time will change your view..as event unfold!!

But you have your opinion and I embrace that...as you have it..at this time !!

Time will tell