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Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices, but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence and fulfills the duty to express the results of his thought in clear form.
Albert Einstein, quoted in New York Times, March 19, 1940
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by Getsmart
After reading your material; I find it wholly without merit. I was simply going to pass it by, but, you just had to try to include a subject that I'm quite expert in ... Magick.
Your comments about Crowley and Lam are totally out of line, and show a complete absense of understanding. In Crowley's diaries he clearly referes to Lam as an ET, not a demon. Though, in modern times there have been some lesser mages try to summon his kind, without success. ET simply can't be summoned via ordinary magical ritual.
Your attempts to associate Magick (the Occult ingeneral), Wicca, and Paganism is an insult to those who have REAL knowledge and practice. It is also an insult to the intelligence of the average Human.
I won't disagree that the withholding of information and technologies from the world at large is treason ... in that aspect; you are right.
However, Extraterrestrials are not demons. We're just people from another rock.
Peace and Understanding
Originally posted by Cassius666
Okay just taking on the human genocide is cover for alien harvesting claim. Why dont aliens get their own humans and have them breed? And what about that in cases of human genocide mass graves are found?
Originally posted by TrueBrit
You have it all butt backwards ! You are putting the cart before the horse sir! And heres why. First of all lets just agree to disagree shall we , about the link between deamons and aliens. Im not going to go into detail, but were deamon kin loose upon the Earth, we wouldnt be having this discussion because more pressing matters would require our attention.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
But in terms of just the element of accusing world leaders of treason for lying to us all this time about what is actualy happening, you MUST accept that the order of events should be the following :
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Absolute proof, of a physical and scientificaly testable nature is found for the existance of extra terrestrial , intelligent life, and its visitations to our planet.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
It is then proven that world governments not only knew about it, but have been conspiring with , or begging the silence of the alien for a few decades at least, to prevent the people gaining undeniable proof or knowledge of this fact for whatever reason.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Once those two first events are done with will come a time when treason can be thrown at members of the establishment who might have had power in this subject, and ONLY then.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Throwing accusations around willy nilly, offering no proof either of research or of a physical nature, and generaly throwing your toys out of the pram will not change this one simple fact. Without proof of your version of events, acting as though you have done the hard work, by pointing the finger at people is a futile , and ultimately pointless manouvre on your part, and you would do well to think these things through in the right order in future. That way, the next time you point the finger, it will have some power behind it.
Originally posted by Pervius
Fascinated with Nikola Tesla I read everything on the man I could get my hands on. One thing really got my attention was the Ford Foundation tried to get Nikola to do Paranormal Research with them.
Nikola was working with directed energy. Why did the Ford Foundation want him then?
They wanted to either use directed energy and battle demons....or they wanted to harvest demons for power.
What we have JUST learned from the ghost hunting crowd, Demons don't like Ultra Violet light. You put Ultra violet light in a room and paranormal activity ceases. Also would explain why they don't come out in daylight.
Now why don't WE grab some Ulra Violet Lasers and start some inter dimensional warfare?
We now know those interdimensional entities are effected by UV light. Arm up.
Originally posted by Essence
It could be that a lot of Aliens contacting people are causing problems, but it still doesn't mean that all Aliens are evil, if they exist. A lot of decent ones might be out there that generally leave us to do our own thing, or even inspire us in ways that we're not aware of. Seems wrong to tarnish them all with the same brush.
Originally posted by OwenandNoelle
Hi
Very Interesting thread!
Unfortunately, because we, the general public, have been lied to so much (imho anyway) the matter of coming up with physical, tangible proof is very tricky.
Originally posted by OwenandNoelle
However, I do believe that the highest levels of the governments and military (and nasa) are aware of the ET presence. And I believe that it is entirely possible that ill-advised deals were struck back in the 1950’s.
I very much agree with you that the reason that the tptb have not disclosed the truth is because they’re protecting their own @sses. Without question in my eyes, they’re not keeping quiet because they want to protect the ignorant masses from massive social and religious upheavals or change. They’re keeping quiet because they are benefiting from the ET presence and want to hoard all of the knowledge and new technology for themselves. Furthermore, the wealthy are making too much money off of our backs to have any desire to want to change the status quo until it suits them.
Originally posted by OwenandNoelle
As well, like you said, if the public did find out what they were up to --- we wouldn’t just riot on the street ---- we’d be stringing the ****ers up. High Treason is a perfect word for what these people are up to.
"...if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."
- George HW Bush in an interview with Sarah McClendon, December 1992
Originally posted by OwenandNoelle
Still, I think that if there are bad ET’s out there, than it would stand to reason that hopefully there are benevolent ET’s as well. And you’re right --- there’s much we don’t understand upon the phenomenon. Some ET’s may be third dimensional like us --- but then many others may be much more advanced and exist in higher dimensions. (This might explain the reports of morphing crafts and how they’re able to travel so fast and move through walls ect. ) And if we are to believe in higher dimensions that we can’t see, then yes, it is very possible that there are entities that cohabit earth with us, but simply are of a higher dimension.
So in other words, they’re not all demons imho. Some are likely what we would consider angelic.
Originally posted by OwenandNoelle
But from everything that I’ve read about the Illuminati, I’d have to agree with you that if these fat ****s are involved with higher entities, than these entities can’t be good. To be quite honest I find the Illuminati to be scary as heck to me. On the one hand worshipping a Giant Owl seems pretty absurd --- I always think to myself when I see those videos “Really?” “Really, our political and royal have nothing better to do than pledge allegiance to an owl?” As cool as Owls are...from what I understand they’re not the sharpest bird in the animal kingdom. I would honestly think that playing on the wii or watching the Family Guy might be much more fun. (On a side note --- one of the `screen memories`that some ET contactees state have been implanted are of....Owls)
But beneath their Owl worship --- is some pretty shocking, deviant behaviour. I do believe that the Illuminati are into some pretty sick stuff. And even if one doesn’t believe in evil spirits or the devil or whatnot, these freaks do --- and what they do in the Owls name or whatever the bleep they believe in --- is the stuff of nightmares. (I suspect anyways.) Honestly, I’d sincerely rather not think about it --- but what we don’t know --- I guess really can harm us.
Originally posted by coolottie
Well, it is very clear that you are not a Contactee, or ever meet an alien, or probably never saw a ufo. But you put out info about them without ever having an experience or proof to back up that they are demons. It is just like here on earth there are good ones and bad ones. Even within the 57 different species there are good ones and bad ones. That is what's wrong with this planet now. Judging entire countries, societies, races, relegions as all bad or all good. I didn't mean to sound impolite, but judging others and not even know them is just so wrong.anc
Originally posted by Getsmart
Hollywood is named after the Holly Wood, the wood used to make sorcerers' wands.
Originally posted by jclmavg
And the historical evidence for this is? What? All I read here is plain nonsense. Perhaps you should mention Harry Potter too.
Originally posted by superluminal11
You have heard the saying. What possessed them or folks to say that, do that, act like that.
Much of what you say is true..not good or evil...just simply true. I believe the illusion of good and evil is what continues to make us prisoners.
Pretty vs Ugly
Rich vs Poor
Smart vs Dumb
Black vs White
Light vs Dark
Evil vs Good
Worthy vs Unworthy
The name of the game is divide and conquer. The entertaining part is it manifests in movies as well.
Stargate SG1, Beings that feed on fear, Interstellar travel, faster than light speed, wormholes, ETs, conspiracies government, religious, science, MK Ultra, supernatural etc...Nahhhhh...thats just a movie of fiction we all reply has no basis in truth whatsoever.
Originally posted by robinmorningstar
Wow! Firstly, remind me to never piss you off, because when you answer someone, you REALLY ANSWER THEM!!! Secondly, I actually didn't read all your postings yet, but I'm actually inclined to believe what I see as your initial premise, and have thought so for quite some time. Now then, I'm a theologically minded, so I always view the events happening in the world through correlations that I then relate back to insights that I read and gain from the Bible...I guess you'd have to keep that in mind. Having said that, I have long since thought that UFOs and alien presence most likely represented a trans-dimensional presence rather than a distant universal relative.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
No Getsmart, of course you arent one of Her Majesty's subjects, and you are not under my command. But you do have a duty to uphold your membership of this site, and contribute SOMETHING rather than what you actualy contributed, which was multi coloured fonts and NOTHING else.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
You say you are under no obligation to furnish me with skill. No you arent, but you are under an obligation to stop wasting everyones time when you dont even have a proper theory , when you havent linked any of the disperate parts of your non argument together, and you do have an obligation to get those things right in the future. Just because some other posters get away with wasting peoples time with speculation and unproven prattle in capital letters, does not mean its right.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Ok , evoking demons is equal to opening stargates? Fine, so how does one go about that? Have you provided a source which specificaly states, with some form of gravitas rather than the usual (read pathetic) mewling from one or another spiritualist, that any of this is remotely true, or even possible?? Oh I can understand the logic behind what you are asserting here dont get me wrong,in order to summon a dark thing from beyond death, it is required to prepare the way. This is not a new idea. But , confusing a demonic portal with a star gate is a bit of a stretch without some detail as to WHY you think stargates and demonic portals are the same.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Alien presence equal to demonic abuse? If you are seriously considering this as a possibility you have neither researched demon kin, nor aliens in anything like the detail required to deem yourself fit to actualy make a thread about them.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
This one is my personal favourite UFO Activity equals Hell Unleashed. Have you any idea what hell unleashed would look like? Hell , no matter which religious persuasion you come from, is many many many times worse than any place on Earth, and it is more horrid and repugnant to look upon than the most ugly place on this world. In tradition it is a place entirely constructed from hellfire and brimstone, where nothing is plesant, where only decay , corruption , and pain have a place. It is a place where torment occurs in every second, a place where the darkest souls on Earth shall go when they die, and the place which keeps men straight and narrow by fear of it. It is a place where the dead continue to live in agony for eternity , caked in thousands and thousands of years of thier own decaying gore, and tortured still for all the days remaining in existance. The mere smell of the place released into the atmosphere of this planet would kill nearly everyone on it, and were hell unleashed upon the Earth, demon kind would pour over this world and gut everything that remained upon it, and make Earth a part of hell, every ocean turned to blood, every lake turned to sulphur, every life turned to death and ash, and joy utterly extinguished.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
The most you get out of aliens, is the odd abduction and the even rarer harvesting incidents of them stealing organs. Again this is VERY rare. Near enough everyone who has ever been abducted claims that they were in a very clean area, a surgical place when they were examined, probed whatever. Either that, or they have no idea whatsoever.So, Hell actualy equals decay corruption venom and infectious death, and aliens so far as we can see have a monthly subscription to mail order cleaning catalogues.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Whats even more hilarious about your assertion that UFO activity is actualy Hell being unleashed, is that mere activity by UFO looks like a light in the sky , or a jet plane doing impossible things. It doesnt look like the puss ridden mouth of Cerberus chewing on your intestinal tract while eyeing up your throat for the next bite. The two could be said to be a little far off from eachother!
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Lastly of couse you have the allegiance to aliens section . Well, now on this I agree with you. If aliens were a dangerous group of space faring sociopaths with a taste for human flesh and the causation of suffering, then it would be treason in its highest form to co operate with thier demands , regardless of the consequences to the leaders of earth should they refuse.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
This thread is evidence for my assertion that there should never be any relationship between the search for extra terrestrial life, and the religious groups on this planet. The reason is simple. The religions of this planet, wether twisted after origin , or just built wrong from the start, are xenophobic, and fear based. They are not based on irrefutable fact, they require no proof, they are incapable of explaining themselves adequately and just like Getsmart do not believe they should have to . They are in short patheticaly inadequate to the task of investigating in a serious and in depth manner, the subject of wether we are alone in the universe, how we might go about locating other intelligences,and the possibility that other intelligences either have been or are among us.They are even more impossible to use in this way when they are researched by someone who hasnt figured out what they are trying to convey.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
However right now, this very moment, there are many billions of dollars worth of kit and time being expended to observe exoplanets in orbit of stars other than our own , in the hopes of spotting planets with high chances for life . There are roving teams of exploring biologists and biochemists, learning from extremophile creatures , the lesson that life, regardless of the environmnent is capable of flourishing where ever it finds itself, with or without light, and with or without air, or obvious sources of nourishment, AND that life can suspend itself for tens of thousands of years in hibernation (something which was thought insane not to long ago). THIS is the method by which whatever remains out there to be seen, will be seen. Until fact and figure have had thier say, until understanding most exacting and precise has been gained about whatever or who ever aliens may turn out to be, religion should butt out. I have no argument with God, but his followers, and the zealots of a thousand versions of faith, should sit down, shut up, and just play cards until the people capable of logical thought have had a look at the situation.