The Secret's Out: Internet Media Is Beginning to Report That Jared Loughner Is a Member Of Abovetop

Originally posted by Ellen15

Originally posted by Wobbly Anomaly
'Responsible' is'nt the right word, but ATS influenced it, without a doubt. If you want to use the word 'responsible' then we are all responsible for our actions and words (our thoughts are our own, our words are everybodies) but again, 'responsible' is very weighted.

Maybe it would be fairer to say that responsibility comes with intention, so if something is communicated with the intention of influencing someone else, then whoever instigated it (or is connected with that intention, provided a means to communicate the intion), has to share some of the resulting effects.

Wobbly,

I disagree with your position on this

I do not see ATS responsible nor influential in this

I dont think your position on this would even hold in a court of law

OK, i'll not argue with your own personal experience and views on this. Personally speaking though i am influenced by the environments i interact within, even though those environments are not 'responsible' for my learned knowledge and actions. Some influences are more powerful than others when it comes to effecting my actions, i may start using a new word....or change my mind on a subject....learn how to appreciate a certain type of art, trust/distrust an institution etc, etc the list is very long.

I'm an outdoor education instructor, i certainly feel responsible for intentionally (and sometimes unintentionally when its though a lack of forethought) introducing students to environments and concepts.

He hadn't visited ATS since September last year, 5 months ago, and hadn't posted since August.
Hardly an active member.
And the only thing that can be deduced from his rambling posts is that they weren't from a logical, coherent mind.
Much ado about nothing methinks.

ETA.
Not that I am trying to trivialise the events in Arizona, just his links to ATS.

reply to post by RainDog


I almost forgot. Expect to see ALL government officials with armed bodyguards in the coming months. With growing dissent, they are starting to sweat. Legislation will be passed for 24/7 protection of all elected officials. Hired Goons for hired goons. This is an event they will use in their favor. On almost every site I see there is growing aggravation with the governments around the world. They DO take notice- and they will take the necessary steps to ensure that they stay in power and keep us under their collective thumb.

Why doesnt it surprise me that a member of this forum killed a govt official? And that it there as been more than one murderer on this site?

When I came here I thought this site was about uncovering govt miss doings and ufo's. But lately all I see is a lot of bull # predictions from loonies, people posting about bad dreams and other nonsense.

reply to post by hotbakedtater

It is no secret here at ATS that we all suspect, especially in light of the erad3 account being banned sometime around noon today, and the closing of the speculative thread on the topic itself, the AZ shooter was indeed a member here. Well, we are not the only ones to have put two and two together.

And this should surprise anyone here?!? The internet conspiracy crowd is a MAGNET for the mentally derranged. Anybody who read these forums and thinks otherwise has no grasp of reality and doesn't understand the real world they live in.

I'll boil this down real easy for the crowd of tin foil hat folks who don't understand what is happening here: this is nothing more than a mentally incapable person acting out in a violent manner that has been fueled by modern society. Anybody who doesn't understand that is nothing more than ignorant.

I can't even believe this has went on for as many pages as it has, but I guess there is some PR and damage control that needs to be done, so whatever.

Originally posted by seedofchucky
"His classmates noted that he disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts

In real life and yet no one around him - neither friends nor family - was able to stop this train from coming down the track.

We are a diverse virtual community, full of geniuses, idiots, crack-pots, stoics, teachers, students, professionals, trolls, shills, activists, skeptics, believers, attention-seekers, lurkers, rebels, patriots, moms and dads, from around the world - all still just pixels on a screen and none of whom are responsible for deciphering the nonsensical gibberish of a disturbed anonymous poster, much less preventing what has sadly occurred.

Just out of curiosity, I've been through every post on his profile page and I see absolutely nothing that would raise a red flag to anyone about what has occurred or that would reflect poorly on the character of the ATS community. In fact, what I did see and, what was so heartening, was several members urging him to seek professional help due to his inability to pull together coherent thoughts.

We have nothing to be ashamed of or worried about, in my humble, personal opinion.

Beck just mentioned on the radio program about Jarred's postings about the mars rover, didn't mention anything about conspiracy forum just mentioned *jarred had rantings on the internet about the mars rover*.

Originally posted by Gakus

Originally posted by Alethea
Perhaps we could suggest that Overlord require a battery of psych evaluations and IQ tests before allowing anyone to post here?

Seriously, though, is this website any different from the community where you live? If your next door neighbor did something, does that mean the entire neighborhood becomes suspect or has the same mentality?

I have noticed that sometimes when there is an obvious "misfit character" that many posters treat them with sincerity, kindness, and a genuine interest and that is probably what they most need.

All should be welcome here.

I aggree with you that overall, ATS members have shown forum etiquette that is truly commendable. I read all of ERAD3's posts yesterday and was impressed how posters responded with direct concern about his behavior within the realm of civility and sometimes humor. He was a very difficult person to communicate with and in the posts I read, he did not seem to express any extreme political ideology that would indicate that he was a danger to society. I do not feel that ATS will suffer any direct repurcussions from the actions of a poster with obvious mental instability and very little participation on this site. You can't punish everyone by one person's actions. If that was the case, there would be alot of empty congressional seats!

edit on 10-1-2011 by Erica1631 because: error

well there goes the neighborhood.
I was disappointed to read this thread
this morning. However, I don't think it
is right to link Loughner's actions to
his visits to ATS.

Jared is a very sick individual and I think
ATS had absolutely nothing to do with that.

But u can bet ur sweet @$$ it will be hyped
up in the media for an agenda and it will
probably be written about in several DHS
reports like this one.

www.fas.org...

And to the DHS folks in attendance here,
there are some good folks here and I
consider myself included in that batch.
So don't stereotype ATS membership
based upon 1 psychopaths actions.

The Left and Corporate media has been on a full blown witch hunt since the wacko murdered people blaming their "right wing" political opposition for the murder without any need of facts at all. They want the free speech rights of the "right wing" to be suspeneded by the FCC as "hate" and "dangerous." The corporate media can not compete with alternative media and conservative outlets. They want them all suppressed for reasons of profit.

The Democrat Party and their socialist friends across the aisle are seriously furious that the American people did not shut up and take the socialist "change" they were imposing on the Nation. Leftists have a long track record of not taking kindly to free speech and free association for their political opposition. Many at ATS joined in on the witch hunt blaming Sarah Palin and the Tea Party for the crimes of this insane man (according to the NY Daily News he had a satanist shrine and alter at his house but I have read leftists claiming his is a "right wing Christian".)

Now the witch hunt might come after the people on this web site as in a guilt by association edge. The free speech at ATS will be smeared as being to blame for the crazy man's murders. The is the problem with Marxist (socialist) witch hunts - you never know who is going to get blamed and purged as an enemy of the state and lose their rights for opposing the political rulers.

The elite are going to make their move to strip everyone of the first and second amendment rights (on the Internet, on television and radio) as a result of the murder committed by a mad man. Throughout history crazy people have done awful things in the United States and never have the elite used it as an excuse to suspend the constitutional rights of all Americans. When we rise up against that latest assualt against the constitution's Bill of Rights, we will be smeared by the Obama Administration as dangerous right wing extremists - domestic terror enemies of the State. They did their best to criminalize the "hate" speech and protests of the Tea Party to no avail. The American people saw right through them.

Get ready. Soros' minions in the administration, the Corporate media, the DNC and a few in the GOP are going for the throat of the constituion and democracy. In a socialist state, there is no social nor political opposition and heated debate. There is one party and whatever it dicates to the public. There is no "insane" free thought nor independence permitted. The lefties at ATS should be proud of themselves in helping the witch hunt proceed. Little did the "useless idiots" realize that the intolerance and hatred they fueled against their polticial and social opposition would come to roost in their back yard. For once, live and learn quickly Americans before they strip the first and second amendments.

Originally posted by kosmicjack

Originally posted by seedofchucky
"His classmates noted that he disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts

In real life and yet no one around him - neither friends nor family - was able to stop this train from coming down the track.

edit on 10/1/2011 by kosmicjack because: (no reason given)

i agree,plus you have to be crazy as cat# to cause the mayhem this sick bastard did..i think the point we should take from all of this is that this world is filled with people with chemical imbalances,mental illness and so on...no matter if this guy posted here or not that still doesnt take away from the fact that this person was very mentally disturbed

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
I'll boil this down real easy for the crowd of tin foil hat folks who don't understand what is happening here: this is nothing more than a mentally incapable person acting out in a violent manner that has been fueled by modern society. Anybody who doesn't understand that is nothing more than ignorant.

Well said.

I've seen little condemnation, just a select minority desperate to justify and exonerate his beliefs. And pandering to wild conspiracy theories only helps to portray that delinquent as a martyr and not vilifying him as a homicidal manic.

Doesn't anyone with internet access post to at least one forum, somewhere?

As Tim Burners-Lee said a while ago - the internet simply imitates life. Given that over 2 Billion people have internet access, there are going to be those with serious psychological issues using it somewhere in the world.

That this is news of any kind is stranger than the fact a person with mental illness posted strange ramblings on a forum.

I find it strange that people worship a God they have no proof exists, and that we even build buildings for the purpose, but hey, that's just me.

I found it a bit of a stretch when they started suggesting that Palin's use of a rifle sight maybe prompted this guy to do what he did, but they overlooked one thing: if guns hadn't been available, he wouldn't have had one to shoot with in the first place. They were making a point of the fact it was a legally licensed weapon (that was obtained by someone with known psychological issues - good one ). I think they've got their priorities wrong.

Post Count: 130
Stars: 3

Mods work quick... Still not sure why someone with that kind of ratio is getting credence from this community. At any rate:
I'm sure ATS is a hot-bed for mentally unstable individuals; but knee-jerk reactionary consequences would be unfortunate for this community.

It's kind of like Schrödinger's cat. In one box Erad3 is loading a gun, in another alternate reality he's trying hard to make those stars go up to 4.

He also wrote in pseudo-prose. Talk about pretentious.

reply to post by hotbakedtater

'WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY...AND HE IS US!" - Walt Kelly (POGO)

So unbelievable, yet here you are contributing to the thread to add in its length. Thank you for that.

I am the OP, and I can assure you, not only do I not need anyone to boil anything down for me, the fact your entire post was to ridicule and disdain is what is unbelieavable to me.

Most contributors to this thread have raised ancillary concerns, and since I am not affilliated with the owners, this thread has little to do with PR. I would go on, but you have already stated you are not a believer in this thread in which you participated against your better grain.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

It is no secret here at ATS that we all suspect, especially in light of the erad3 account being banned sometime around noon today, and the closing of the speculative thread on the topic itself, the AZ shooter was indeed a member here. Well, we are not the only ones to have put two and two together.

And this should surprise anyone here?!? The internet conspiracy crowd is a MAGNET for the mentally derranged. Anybody who read these forums and thinks otherwise has no grasp of reality and doesn't understand the real world they live in.

I'll boil this down real easy for the crowd of tin foil hat folks who don't understand what is happening here: this is nothing more than a mentally incapable person acting out in a violent manner that has been fueled by modern society. Anybody who doesn't understand that is nothing more than ignorant.

I can't even believe this has went on for as many pages as it has, but I guess there is some PR and damage control that needs to be done, so whatever.

well, it's hit the fan..we're all about to be put under a microscope... and not just a regular microscope either.. i mean like one of those really cool, super duper, electron, photo-blasting, see bacteria on mars types of microscopes.. and for those who don't think TPTB keep tabs on sites like this... think again.. and now the media is about to start checking us out.. fantabulous!!! can't we just be weird and paranoid in peace.. lol

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The impression that you think there's any difference between the left or right in todays political arena leads me to suggest that you should remember that it was the right winged conservatives that instituted the patriot act that has given all these loons the ability to attack your freedom of speech and label you and I as domestic terrorists.

reply to post by js331975

Now does Skeptic Overlord need to put out a statement about the indecent? If he does or doesn't then I will still back him. But if all of these naysayers actually took time to digest what is put on here they would find that the gunman was one in a million. ATS didn't tell him to go fire off rounds against another Human.

Putting out a formal statement including the information that a member with training suggested he get help could "spike their guns."

As far as criminals go. According to Wiki 1 in every 32 adults and 1 in 18 males from the good old US of A is on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole.

This means EVERY web site has a very high potential of having "criminals" visiting it.

I was commenting in the Metaphysics and Philosophy forum yesterday that his youtube rants sounded like some posters I've run into on this board. I'm not surprised at all. The board doesn't make these people like this. It attracts people that are already like this.

It probably allows a lot of this kind of paranoia and rage to drain from most of these people. Posting it in public can give a person the sense that they've done something tangible and useful, and this can ease the build-up for a while. It won't solve the problem, but it can vent the pressure for the time being. There are professional writers - novelists - who've confessed that if they didn't write the terrible things in their books, they'd be forced to act them out for real. Same with some horror film actors.

I honestly believe that personal venting in a harmless venue - where your rants are monitored and visible only to those people who have actively sought out your specific kind of expression - is theraputic in the vast majority of cases. Not every person will be defused in this manner, but the likelihood that such venting causes one to become increasingly pressured is less probable than the likelihood that being bombarded by the same sort of rhetoric from a one sided source will do the same.