Gabrielle Giffords shooting reignites row over rightwing rhetoric in US

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
‎"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." – Barack Obama

"...argue with them and get in their face“ - Barack Obama

It's quite pathetic of the U.S. media to exploit this tragedy to further an agenda against their perceived enemies (conservatives and the right wing). Given the quotes above it's irresponsible to levy a charge solely against right wing rhetoric.

Only a moron would take what Obama said in the above quotes out of context!

Right-wing rhetoric has shown EXACTLY what it is capable of by not only provoking this young man into madness, but trying to cover its' when caught doing so. Despicable.

The Rev.

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It's in bad taste for anyone to use this for political reasons or to further their agenda.... i.e. Rev.
Everyone wants to pretend is was the other one's fault, but really, some people are just crazy.

Rather than saying "left-wing" or "right-wing" in instances like this, wouldn't it be better to just go with extremist? Because regardless of your political position, if you take it to an extreme, people get hurt. So whether he's an extremist lefty liberal or an extremist righty conservative, he's an extremist.

And everyone needs to stop using war metaphors when they don't actually want to shoot people. Sarah Palin may be a few screws short of the toolbox, but she's not the only one to make blunders with words.

It's not just the right!

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I've read everything that nut posted both here on ATS and out on the web in general.

I bring a quote from a person who actually knew him, while you thump the drum for lynching conservatives with nothing but 3rd party opinions from talking heads that are at least as biased as that first link I posted which you disavowed out of hand.

You posited a position. Now where is YOUR proof?

Originally posted by ZombieWoof
I agree with your assessment of the OP. Very similar to the Olbermann post. Nothing wrong with what he said, but obvious blinders on.

Blinders? You're insulting me. I won't bite my nice right-wing troll.

Rev.

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A moron or someone mentally not-quite-there, perhaps?

Originally posted by The Revenant
Only a moron would take what Obama said in the above quotes out of context!

Right-wing rhetoric has shown EXACTLY what it is capable of by not only provoking this young man into madness, but trying to cover its' when caught doing so. Despicable.

The Rev.

I'm hoping that is sarcasm, otherwise I can't fathom the hypocrisy you'd display in making such comments. If it's not sarcasm you may wan to reconsider calling others "morons".

Originally posted by 11PB11
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It's in bad taste for anyone to use this for political reasons or to further their agenda.... i.e. Rev.
Everyone wants to pretend is was the other one's fault, but really, some people are just crazy.

Keep trying. It's a right-wing sponsored killing spree, and you cant handle it. Your fundamental thinking and view about the world have been challenged by the damage that it causes. Learn from this - wake up, open your eyes.

Hating poor people, having blind faith, loving money, and all that other crap - it's all rubbish.

The Rev.

Originally posted by TheWill
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A moron or someone mentally not-quite-there, perhaps?

Judging by the apologists in this thread, both.

The Rev.

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When you have political leaders in America openly calling out for the assassination of the likes of Julian Assange, then it is no wonder incidents like this happen. The violent political rhetoric is out of hand and needs to stop. When an impressionable person hears a political leader calling for assassination, then what are we supposed to think will happen.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by The Revenant
Only a moron would take what Obama said in the above quotes out of context!

Right-wing rhetoric has shown EXACTLY what it is capable of by not only provoking this young man into madness, but trying to cover its' when caught doing so. Despicable.

The Rev.

I'm hoping that is sarcasm, otherwise I can't fathom the hypocrisy you'd display in making such comments. If it's not sarcasm you may wan to reconsider calling others "morons".

Where's the hypocrisy? You're a right-wing thinker that cant accept what your fearmongering and hatespeech about lefties and liberals does to vulnerable people. How can I help you understand that the hate speech HAS to stop? Your hatred of the left is literally killing people now.

The Rev.

Originally posted by The Revenant
Keep trying. It's a right-wing sponsored killing spree, and you cant handle it.

Actually it's the result of a mentally ill psychotic with a gun. You don't know that this tragedy has anything whatsoever to do with "right wing rhetoric", yet you (like the media) exploit this tragedy to wage an orgiastic bloodbath against your political enemies. What a disgusting display of nerve.

Originally posted by LarryLove
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When you have political leaders in America openly calling out for the assassination of the likes of Julian Assange, then it is no wonder incidents like this happen. The violent political rhetoric is out of hand and needs to stop. When an impressionable person hears a political leader calling for assassination, then what are we supposed to think will happen.

I couldn't agree more. Just because the two sides disagree, it doesn't mean anyone deserves to die.

If I remember correctly, that's a mistake made by BOTH extreme elements of the political divide.

The Rev.

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Bluster, rhetoric and ad hominens are only used by those who lack the political understanding to use political theories and ideologies to support their arguments in a cogent manner. The entire sad affair was seized on by the Right who were fooled by the oxymoronic tag of Left wing and liberal. It blew up spectacularly and they have now shuffled away.

Perhaps the right will cease their hyperbople and inflammatory rhetoric whilst waving guns and using gun symbolism.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by The Revenant
Keep trying. It's a right-wing sponsored killing spree, and you cant handle it.

Actually it's the result of a mentally ill psychotic with a gun. You don't know that this tragedy has anything whatsoever to do with "right wing rhetoric", yet you (like the media) exploit this tragedy to wage an orgiastic bloodbath against your political enemies. What a disgusting display of nerve.

Why then, was this crazy fellow equipped with lots of the top ideas that the right has been trumpeting for years now? Why then, was his intent to kill someone that epitomised the opposition to the fascist tendencies of the right?

It all sounds right-wing authored to me.

The Rev.

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Before you get too high up on your self-righteous horse, you might want to read a little summary of some of that Liberal "tolerance and understanding" I keep hearing about:

Obama-“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.” Or John Kerry who said on the Bill Maher show:“I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.” Or Howard Dean “I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for…” and:“This is a struggle between good and evil and we’re the good?” and “we need to remember that the enemy here is George Bush, not each other.” Or Senator Chuck Schumer who called a flight attendant a “bitch.” Or the Florida Democrats who ran an ad calling for the assassination of Donald Rumsfeld Or New York State Comptroller Alan Hevesi who called for Senator Schumer to “put a bullet between the president’s eyes?”

www.topix.com...


Also, wasn't this guy angry and hateful towards anything to do with Christianity? Doesn't sound like a republican/conservative to me.....


And I find it quite ironic that someone acting so savvy and all-knowing about what's wrong with the American political system doesn't even live in this country- maybe all of the true information doesn't make it "across the pond"....