For the ppl that doubt ufo's...

...i can't prove much because i've never seen one or been a$$ probed by an alien but in essence, wouldn't we be quite selfish to think we're the only ones in these very vast neverending space (no pun intended) galaxies?

we've probably explored 1%. and look at us, destructive in nature- seriously making mother nature cry right now..our planet has had enough because of abuse.

and with alllll the videos that i've seen, someone here will still say "weather balloon, chinese lantern", move on..

cmon guys...i'm talking to the biggest ufo skeptics out there..

having an open mind is essential in life and to think we are "it" ....please....this place has become disgusting, wars for no reason, obesity, more ppl are playing angry birds on their ipad right now rather than researching something.

so i invite you ufo skeptics, to really tell me how we are the only species in an infinite area of space.

a ufo compilation..one of many

all i want to do right now is seperate the black from the white..the ones that think we're allll alone and all of these crazy lights/gravity breaking crafts are from somewhere else.. then the ones that actually think a bit and, with lightyears, portals etc, that they could be possible.

i'm not posting anything groundbreaking, the sightings are daily but i just want to see/hear from this site, who strongly believes in which side...cuz its pretty damn simple, research isn't even needed..just watch some clips.

sorry for ranting but i just want to know, who's where...take care everyone

btw i was molested last night by an alien, wish they'd come by more often! (very stupid joke but...at least get my sarcastic tone of voice )

I have been on this website for so long that each time I read someone elses new thread it is as though I have read it before lol. In fact I think about 1million people before you here asked the same questions and said the same things.

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intelligent life existing somewhere else in the universe is not the same as ET visiting earth in spaceships.

sure theres probably other intelligent life somewhere in the universe but i dont think we are being visited by it. That's also the view of the vast majority of scientists & astronomers.

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ok sorry this has probably been revisited..but simply put, if the military wanted to test their 'new products' , would they do it at nightime, lighting up the sky as in phoenix? (google it)

plus it's obvious most governments have been denying all of it for a long time...russia and somewhere else recently have opened up their docs about this..

why do i watch interviews with ppl talking about this stuff, darkened, voice distorted?

whats with area 51 and their deadly force trespass line?

i only started this thread to see who believes we're alone, or not.

a simple yes or no will do..

take care.

Skeptics will be skeptics because they need proof.... Yes it seems logical to think that aliens exist because the universe is HUGE.... But people need more than just that kind of logic like the drake equation to accept this as a reality.... but then again you also have cognitive dissonance. This means that no matter what is shown to a group of people; if its too life altering or too life shattering, it will be ignored or shrugged off.

Some people need little proof to come to that conclusion, while others need physical proof like a UFO landing on the white house lawn. No matter what; some people will need hard evidence to accept this. Trying to talk someone into that kind of thinking is kind of useless in my opinion because people will come to their own conclusions on their own time/place.

The best sightings/occurrences related to UFO's IMO are the Washington flyover in the 40's and the battle of LA. The others were the Mexican orbs during an eclipse in the 90's and the phoenix lights.

other than those, I cant think of anything else.

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even if there were aliens, it is highly unlikely they would be advanced like us, and even more unlikely that they would have a way to get to our planet.

It takes 8.31 minutes for light to reach our planet. That's 93 million miles in 8.31 minutes. That is 11.19 million miles a second. Do you have any idea how fast that is? And not to mention that the faster an object goes the heavier it gets. It just isn't possible for anything to approach the speed of light. And the motto of this website is denying ignorance...don't you think it's a bit ignorant to think that aliens can go faster than the speed of light? Yet so many Ufologists have failed to recognize these simple facts.

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Im sure even some of the skeptics on here probably think we are not alone, i for one am a believer, but with some of the videos that are presented on here titled "OMG ITS A UFO" when in reality if further research is done and the video is looked at more closely and it turns out to be a chopper or plane its no wonder that there are skeptics.

to make one believe (skeptic) they have to be presented with undeniable proof, which is currently lacking, as i sed im a believer NOT because ive seen undeniable evidence but purely of faith, we see so much footage that people try to pass off as ufos when they are chinese lanterns, planes, birds, balloons, etc etc that completely discredits those who believe.

its not the skeptics that have to prove that aliens dont exist, the burden of proof lies on the believer, u may ask them to debunk but not prove, how can one prove the non existance of something?

like i sed i believe purely because the galaxy is so big it would be probably impossible that there be no life other than us, wether they have visited us? we dont know.

why dont you prove they exist?

Hello depmode101. I share similar sentiment with yeti101.
I do believe there is abundant life, and intelligent life throughout the universe.
But I believe UFOs are purely man-made.
I do not believe any extraterrestrials or aliens have visited us in the past to help in the construction of ancient megaliths or ancient astrological knowledge.

I honestly feel that UFOs, aliens, extraterrestrials, Ancient Astronaut Theory, and Ancient Aliens is the new religion. All of the movies and television shows are the new missionary efforts to convert non-believers.

I know I am not the type of skeptic you called out, because I do believe there is abundant life in the universe. There is no evidence that aliens came to earth in the past, or are visiting our skies right now. The only thing we can prove is mankind and our own technology.

Originally posted by freedish
reply to post by depmode101
It takes 8.31 minutes for light to reach our planet. That's 93 million miles in 8.31 minutes. That is 11.19 million miles a second. Do you have any idea how fast that is? And not to mention that the faster an object goes the heavier it gets. It just isn't possible for anything to approach the speed of light. And the motto of this website is denying ignorance...don't you think it's a bit ignorant to think that aliens can go faster than the speed of light? Yet so many Ufologists have failed to recognize these simple facts.

Let's correct the math here, there is a simple mistake.

93,000,000 miles in 8.21 minutes is actually 11,000,000 miles per minute, not per second as you stated.
That is 186,000 miles per second, still very very fast, but no where near as fast as what you have stated.

And while i agree with you that as far as human knowledge goes, the speed of light is seems to be an unattainable goal, but as humans, our knowledge is limited to our experience. I often find if very pompous of science to make claims to be absolute, when one simple discovery can change the perspective.

Remember at one time, science believed the Earth to be the center of all existence, and the fastest they ever travelled was slower then my average speed while driving daily.

Originally posted by depmode101
...wouldn't we be quite selfish to think we're the only ones in these very vast neverending space (no pun intended) galaxies?

Or would it be selfish to think we are important or significant enough to warrent others like us?

we've probably explored 1%.

More like 0.00000000000001% if you ask me. Probably more or maybe infinately more.

....please....this place has become disgusting, wars for no reason, obesity, more ppl are playing angry birds on their ipad right now rather than researching something.

So if others "like us" did exist, chances are they would destroy themselves just like we are doing and dissappear into obscurity never to be found and never to find.

so i invite you ufo skeptics, to really tell me how we are the only species in an infinite area of space.

I think you mean "only species of life like us" don't you, and if you think it is an "infinate area of space" how can you also say we have explored maybe 1% of it?

...cuz its pretty damn simple, research isn't even needed..just watch some clips.

"Clips" mean squat! Clips won't shake your hand or land a craft on your front lawn. They won't beam codes or messages here from deep space, and proof and truth comes in the pudding when the fat lady sings. Also, that truth is individual to all of us so what is proof for one is just evidence to another.

We know rain is wet because most people have been rained on. If enough people had the chance to shake the hand of an alien, draw them close and look deep into their eyes while feeling that breath on our face then maybe the truth would overcome the skepticism on a global scale that would provide what some wish for.

Originally posted by ugie1028
Skeptics will be skeptics because they need proof....

Or is it that skeptics will be skeptics because "truth" needs proof?

Anything could be possible, but not everything is probable.

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Edit to add: If we were to make contact with beings "like us" and they were to come here, then we would not be meeting a true representation of their species.

Consider TPTB on our ball of dirt.....it is they that have the power and rescources to travel into space and that NASA spaceman sure as heck isn't an average joe without a mission and agenda prescribed to him/her by their handlers who have little or no interest in how the majority of humanity would like to be introduced.

Originally posted by freedish
It just isn't possible for anything to approach the speed of light. And the motto of this website is denying ignorance...don't you think it's a bit ignorant to think that aliens can go faster than the speed of light? Yet so many Ufologists have failed to recognize these simple facts.

Maybe it's a bit ignorant to assume that they'd travel in this way? What if they've learnt how to do something like project sensors over long distances to see if that area of space is ok to travel to, and then port over to those points? Does that sound like a strange idea? Well it should do! Because aliens probably travel in a way that we can't even grasp if they're a decent bit more advanced than us.

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yes i meant to say minutes

i agree, we could discover some advanced technology like teleportation that no one thought possible...
it was the same when the wright brothers invented the plane, people thought they were crazy for even trying...

im not trying to sound arrogant here, but I do think science has discovered enough in physics especially astrophysics & quantum mechanics to disprove teleportation for humans (maybe at the sub atomic level). The only way I see teleportation a possibility is if we can keep a wormhole open between two light photons and stabilize it so somehow. The energy required to do this would be greater than the sun probably....this idea is just a lot more far fetched than building a plane. And I don't think there are any aliens who have grasped this technology...and why does everyone always assume aliens are more advanced than us? What if it is the opposite...

Now concerning the idea of teleportation, think about this...humans got the idea of flying from nature, birds, bees. etc. Now where the heck did we get the idea of teleportation? It's a made up human idea that does not occur in nature except in sub atomic particles. So we have no tangible way to grasp how to create this idea, it's all just theories. And anyone can make a theory.

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I think your signature is very telling of the potential for the undiscovered. I understand its a religious statement, but the same can be said for some of the topics that we are speaking of here. For those who havnt read it, your signature states:

Until 1660 no one knew of microorganisms.
But they have always been there...
And until 1996 no one knew of black holes.
But they have always been there too...
And sometime in the future we will know of God.
And realize He has always been everywhere.

Just because something has not yet been discovered does not mean it is impossible.

Originally posted by freedish
Now concerning the idea of teleportation, think about this...humans got the idea of flying from nature, birds, bees. etc. Now where the heck did we get the idea of teleportation? It's a made up human idea that does not occur in nature except in sub atomic particles. So we have no tangible way to grasp how to create this idea, it's all just theories. And anyone can make a theory.

edit on 9-1-2011 by freedish because: (no reason given)

So if it happens in subatomic particles then it happens, right? Maybe our minds just aren't developed enough for us to grasp ideas like that properly when it comes to learning how to do it ourselves.

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even if there were aliens, it is highly unlikely they would be advanced like us, and even more unlikely that they would have a way to get to our planet

Why is it very unlikely that they are more advanced than us? That is something we just don't know either way. But we do know that chances are high that the universe is full of life. So, there is a chance tht there could be many races more advanced than us, and some races that are not. We just don't know.

Hey

To be honest we can't exactly say that it is impossible for them to travel here.

Seriously what do knew know? We can claim we know all this, we know all about seriously we've only just stepped off the door step so so speak. I believe they are here even though I haven't experienced anything of the sort, It's just from what I've on the internet... I really do wish that I could see something, anything really but I know that time will come sometime soon I hope.

I believe it will be soon because this year has started off quite..."hectic" and Tbh I haven't seen anything that is what I'd call a ufo but there is something strange going off in the night sky...for the past 4 days I've looked up and thought "Hmmm...:/" just a strange feeling deep inside ><

We might getting told No by many"goverment figures" but they are the guys that have been pulling the wool over our eyes(well trying ) since the beginning I mean seriously, look around the world at all suffering and violance and hardly anything at all is done but anyway, thats for another time and thread.

Originally posted by depmode101

ok sorry this has probably been revisited..but simply put, if the military wanted to test their 'new products' , would they do it at nightime, lighting up the sky as in phoenix? (google it)

Sure they would... that way people would make UFO sightings and the military could just go on about its business. If it was in the daytime you might see its one of ours

plus it's obvious most governments have been denying all of it for a long time...russia and somewhere else recently have opened up their docs about this..

Yep it's 'obvious' Here look around this site... you will find many releases, even on the NSA's own website since 2000
Disclosure NSA Style
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The one about the Iranian incident is really good

why do i watch interviews with ppl talking about this stuff, darkened, voice distorted?

Maybe because the guy doesn't want you to know who it is?

whats with area 51 and their deadly force trespass line?

Since its a place where they test top secret aircraft and other goodies, seems to me a good idea... though I don't think anyone has been shot yet, despite the many that have been snooping around

i only started this thread to see who believes we're alone, or not.

We are not alone, but you still need to prove they are visiting us now... I have my proof, but that doesn't help much . Also UFO does not mean Alien spacecraft

a simple yes or no will do..

Sorry, I don't do simple yes or no answers

Believer here. Seen it/them myself meaning crafts 4 times now. But believe one to be a TR3B craft. I also think most of our advanced tech is from their craft and don`t give us credit for being so smart. Mankind does way to many stupid things to be considered smart in my opinion. We have potential yes. And Humans self proclaiming what they perceive as smart really don`t count.

Originally posted by freedish
It just isn't possible for anything to approach the speed of light.

Seems physicists don't agree with you..

On the other hand, what some physicists refer to as "apparent" or "effective" FTL is the hypothesis that unusually distorted regions of spacetime might permit matter to reach distant locations faster than what it would take light in the normal or undistorted spacetime. Although, according to current theories, matter is still required to travel subluminally with respect to the locally distorted spacetime region, apparent FTL is not excluded by general relativity. Examples of apparent FTL proposals are the Alcubierre drive and the traversable wormhole, although the physical plausibility of these solutions is uncertain.

en.wikipedia.org...

A tachyon (pronounced /ˈtæki.ɒn/; Greek: ταχύς, takhus, "swift" + English: -on "elementary particle") is a hypothetical subatomic particle that moves faster than light. In the language of special relativity, a tachyon is a particle with space-like four-momentum and imaginary proper time. A tachyon is constrained to the space-like portion of the energy-momentum graph. Therefore, it cannot slow down to subluminal speeds.

en.wikipedia.org...

And the motto of this website is denying ignorance...

Funny how those that are ignorant of many subjects like to toss that phrase around. I fear denying your ignorance would be a monumental task

don't you think it's a bit ignorant to think that aliens can go faster than the speed of light? Yet so many Ufologists have failed to recognize these simple facts.

Why do they need to go faster than light? Why not just make a gravity drive that folds space/time? Why not just open a wormhole and take the short cut?

Our Sci Fi writers have already figured that out years ago... Star Trek has Warp Drive... a concept already dismissed as being less efficient than other methods (Just check Los Alamos archives on that)

lanl.arxiv.org...

Try some search terms there like "Warp Drive" or "Gravity Shielding"

Here are some search terms to help you deny your ignorance

Hyperspace
en.wikipedia.org...

Minkowski space
en.wikipedia.org...

Stephen Hawking: How to build a time machine
www.dailymail.co.uk...

Stephen Hawking Explains How To Build A Time Machine
www.huffingtonpost.com...


Awesome paper here now available free

A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME
By
Stephen Hawking
www.cmadras.com...


Also try this site The Defense Technical Information Center
www.dtic.mil...

Type in Warp Drive into the search bar...

Pull these two papers

#5 Teleportation Physics Study
DTIC Copy - AFRL-PR-ED-TR-2003-0034

#7 Advanced Propulsion Study

You can also see them here if your .mil site shy

www.thelivingmoon.com...

I would just be happy if some ETH supporters could help things out by doing the following:

• Illustrate a clear and absolute understanding that the existence of alien life and the idea that an advanced form of this life is visiting us with space-faring technology are two totally separate issues.

• That anecdotes, stories and third-person testimony are totally unreliable forms of evidence. People have the ability to lie or misunderstand bizarre phenomena and that is reason enough to forgo using these things as any sort of proof.

• That videos, movies, and photographs are no longer forms of acceptable evidence in lieu of modern advances in media-based technology.

• That the court of science demands much more than any court of law ever will.

I think if these things are grasped by the majority of ET theorists, they will begin to produce evidence that will be very difficult for skeptics, debunkers and independent scientists to ignore. We need something we can get our hands on and really investigate. Something has to show up that cannot be dismissed or rejected out of hand.

If that one, simple thing shows up, you folks win. The visiting ET hypothesis would be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be correct, and all the skeptics have to eat their words big time. A glorious victory.

But that first thing is important - we need that evidence!