Head to the hills.......... what?

To hell with the hills...if and when TSHTF, I am going for big cities...everyone is going to be heading for the hills...the city will be empty, and voila...live on canned goods and ratburgers while the hillbillys and scared city folk fight it out over who has claiming rights of the local caves

:edit: Unless it is a zombie apocolypse...in which case the cities will be filled with zombies...and the malls will be fortified...then its time to find a nice big ship and head for open waterss

The people stocking up on weapons, food and shelter will probably be the first ones to die in a SHTF scenario.

Lol, that would be wonderful irony, to be honest.

I can't in all honesty watch a human beg me for food and shelter, all bloody and tired and then proceed to ask them:

"Well what can you do.. Do you have any skills?"

Can't do it. Obviously, there would be a balance after some point. But you're talking like you're going to be sitting on a tower with a sniper rifle picking off city folk as they climb up the terrain in desperation.

The founders of the USA used to talk about a "social compact" by which they meant what we today would call a social contract.

They saw that there is something non-natural about civilization; that it is an agreed-upon set of rules for how to treat each other.

Sometimes people decide to cheat, and commit crime. When everyone decides that the rules of civilization no longer apply, then we will quickly devise new ones, working procedures, that we will test every time two tribes meet on a deserted roadway or amid the ruins of the previous society.

I cannot envisage the attitude of "I will now take a 400-mile road-trip out to the boonies, at the moment when everyone has decided there are no rules.

People who imagine doing that also imagine that they are the toughest guy for 400 miles.....


really????

I have my eyes set on National Forest or BLM... but here's some food for thought:

By 2013, you will relinquish all land you have. This is absolute. Try not to get attached.

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I am a 55 year old grandma with minor arthritis.
I can also stop someone with a gun and I do
make kill shots everytime,head and chest.
I am also a proud member of the USCCA!

I must say I completely agree with the OP. What most "city-folks" don't realize is that these "country-bumkins" have and already are surviving on their own. Those that have farms and whatnot don't run down to the grocery store or the convenience store if they run out of milk. They don't run out of milk, because they are already prepared. The milk cow is drying up, well they more than likely have already started to raise a new milk cow to replace the old one. These country folks also have learned that self-survival in these areas is not feasible. Like previous posters have said, these people know their neighbors. They socialize and interact daily.

To the people that think that an organized city force is going to take whatever they want, they are horridly mistaken. The country folk know their area, better than city folk know how to navigate their Wal-marts. They have in most cases found what works best in that area and what does not. They know what grows, what doesn't. They know when it floods, when droughts hit. They know when to harvest, know when to plant. They know what wild game is abundant and what is not. City folk will come into these areas at a major disadvantage, even if they have a trailer full of weapons. Weapons don't feed a person. Knowing how to use a weapon feeds a person. Guns are nice and all, but a better provider knows how to trap, i.e. no ammunition is used. To think that traps won't be set around a farm or country area, as well as lookouts and whatnot, is folly. These country-bumkins are and will be proactive in securing their interests. They have to be, or they wouldn't have survived up to this point.

Thanks OP for the thought provoking thread on what many people don't realize is a real situation when SHTF.

i wouldnt want anyone on my mafkin land. i been here my whole life learning how to raise animals and grow crops and you think just cuz tshtf your inclined to my food water and shelter.????

SOML

A little research ahead of time wouldn't hurt. If you know the general area you'd be bugging out to (which you should), find out the specifics regarding property ownership in the area. If there is no public land in the area you'd like to be, see if you can get to know the property owners there before TSHTF. As the OP suggested, she would not be unwilling to help those in need, as long as there is a mutual respect for each other and one another's property. If you're not total strangers when TSHTF, the level of trust will be much higher.

Even if you do find a nice bug out spot that isn't privately owned, you should get to know the property owners nearby anyway. They will be your neighbors, and you can guarantee they will know you're there. Better friend than foe.

One thing that amuses me is how some people think a city dweller has no clue how to survive in the wilderness...like a shovel or axe would simply confuse us...

There goes hollywood for ya, exaggerating the extremes to absurdity.

Yay, a country dude milks a cow every day, that makes him a survivor.
This non-country dude knows we don't need milk to survive..milk is a strange drink advanced society uses..rats and squirrels are eatable, pidgeons are actually tasty, you can eat maggots that, if seasoned and mushed into a burgerlike form and cooked a bit, will be every bit as tasty as a cowburger with about 500 times more protein, etc.

Survival techniques are not the monopoly of a specific type of person..it comes down to people with a bit of brains.

Originally posted by Q2IN2Y
The people stocking up on weapons, food and shelter will probably be the first ones to die in a SHTF scenario.

Why? why do you think they'd be the "first ones to die"? Just because you wish they wouldn't have been right, because the grasshopper is always jealous of the ants? Jealousy doesn't kill many ants.

I can't in all honesty watch a human beg me for food and shelter, all bloody and tired and then proceed to ask them:

"Well what can you do.. Do you have any skills?"

You don't need to do it when you have plenty, and no threats on the horizon--so you cannot imagine it. But when you get down to your last couple of meals, your arithmetic begins to change. If you think it won't, then you don't know enough about what such situations are really like.

But you're talking like you're going to be sitting on a tower with a sniper rifle picking off city folk as they climb up the terrain in desperation.

That scenario has happened SO MANY TIMES in human history that if you are unfamiliar with human responses to privation, you should read up on it. Reading a bit about Andersonville, Camp Douglas, VOC ship Batavia or the Donner Party call into question what any of us are really incapable of.

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like you ignorant ape ?

my point is simple , selfishness could possible lead to SHIFT , and when it does happen ,people with that mind set need to be willing to change , and help other people out that are in need i know that if ill be doing everything i can to help anyone , ill not think about my self first

I have made the MISTAKE of helping "down and outers" several times. With the exception of ONE person ALL of them have been lazy, good for nothings and robbed me blind. So thank you No.

Only people I know personally will be welcome on my farm. All others get a taste of lead.

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How long do you think squirrels would be plentiful if everyone just took what they wanted? BTW those of us in the country already know that the wildlife is not as plentiful as everyone presupposes. I'd imagine that even rats would become a scarce commodity if everyone ate them. Tell me, which would you eat - the bird in the nest or her eggs, and why? Then I'll tell you which you should eat, and why.

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By 2013, you will relinquish all land you have. This is absolute. Try not to get attached.

Yes that is what the Food Satfey Farce that was just passed was all about. 40% of the USA is farmland and the Bankers and Corporate Cartel wants ALL of it.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
...........rats ..........are eatable.......you can eat maggots that, if seasoned and mushed into a burgerlike form and cooked a bit, will be every bit as tasty as a cowburger with about 500 times more protein, etc.

There is a simple reason why they are not accepted food stuffs. They are not fit for human consumption. These new survivalist people think that it is just some new modern “cleanliness” fad that they can ignore. No it’s not. Countless people have died over the generations finding out what is safe to eat. The reason a plant or animal is not considered acceptable food is because countless people have died trying to eat that crap.

Trying that will just get you a list of diseases, parasites, and possibly even get you poisoned. You will just be a standing demonstration of why you should listen to what your forefathers have told you. They have learned from real life and death experience.

Like the fact that I have always been told to properly cook your food, no mater how fresh it is……. But I constantly see people eating meat that still has the blood flowing. And eggs that is still runny. Funny enough though, I also hear about X number of people getting E coli or salmonella. There is a reason you should pay attention to your forefathers and cook your food! They have went through the same things and learned from their mistakes. Pay attention, don’t repeat your forefather’s mistakes.

If we are Christians, we should help our fellow man survive. Period.

If we are otherwise, we should do the same, because Christ's words are correct, and other cultures promote the same thinking.

We only rent the land we're on, for a little while (our lifetimes). If you're lucky enough to have some (most who do have inherited it at this stage), be wise enough to share. No one owns this Earth we're on.

We're all in this downward "powers-that-be engineered" spiral together.

Protect the land and resources, teach each other, if it ever comes to that. Don't shoot at starving people looking for food, please.

I think I will reconsider Mexico immigrants at this point, as opposed to my prior posts. We are there.

If the SHTF, since I live in a (metropolitan area and am one of the city folks you mention) I'd probably be nuked and die after a week, or so of fallout. If that weren't to happen I'd probably go down to my family and friends in the rural areas of Alabama as they have wells (potable water will be of high demand), farms, and tools.

I agree with you OP. The folks in the rural areas know their land well and won't tolerate trespassers with hostile intent. I can tell you that from experience as my cousin would have to announce himself way ahead of time (in times of relative peace) before the owner let us cross his road while visiting our old family cemetery, or else... Imagine how much that would change in dire times.

Originally posted by SeenMyShare
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How long do you think squirrels would be plentiful if everyone just took what they wanted? BTW those of us in the country already know that the wildlife is not as plentiful as everyone presupposes. I'd imagine that even rats would become a scarce commodity if everyone ate them. Tell me, which would you eat - the bird in the nest or her eggs, and why? Then I'll tell you which you should eat, and why.

Depends on the need...if your starving and wont make it even a few more days, you eat the bird and eggs
But, if its not a complete emergency, you eat the bird and raise the chicks for food and breeding if possible.

As far as rats and squirrels going...well, in such a senario, people are going to die overall. Eventually it will go from full burials and torso consumption if it ever became that bad.

And again, one thing that would be plentiful is maggots in such a senario...which once you get past the concept that your eating maggots, are highly nutritious and will be a neverending supply due to all the dead things. Hell, fly farms may become the new big thing if and when such horrific events force society into that role.

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I have nothin to worry about most of my family lives in the hills and when I say that mean hours from another home

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And your post proves it once and for all that maybe we deserve to perish as humanity. How sad...

Originally posted by SaturnFX
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Depends on the need...if your starving and wont make it even a few more days, you eat the bird and eggs

But, if its not a complete emergency, you eat the bird and raise the chicks for food and breeding if possible.

Only if you only plan to eat for one day. If you want sustainable meals you eat the eggs. The adult can and will lay more within a few weeks to replace what you took if the weather is good. If you kill the mother and "try" to raise the eggs you will have killed of not just one hatch but most likely the whole batch. The eggs must be kept at a specific temperature and humidity for a specific number of days, the eggs gently turned twice a day, and let me tell you... feeding new born chicks is a pain if they aren't hatched with feathers, eyes open and on their feet! If you made it that far most would still die.

The idea behind survival is sustainable survival. What good does it do to outlast your fellow man if you kill off your food supply? Country people already know this. You never take more than is absolutely necessary, you give back to nature to repair/replace what you've taken, and you never destroy the sustainability of the future.

That's why you need us.

Edit to add:
With a squirrel, a pot of water, a few implements and my wits I can feed five people on one squirrel and they would be full. How many people can you feed with one squirrel and will they be full?