Head to the hills.......... what?

Here's something to think about......all the scenarios you think you are ready for, are going to go right out the door when SHTF. I was in downtown LA for two days when the riots hit and that isn't nothing compared to what it will be like when things really get serious, It was a scary scene where I was at, very surreal and chaotic to say the least. If people want what you got their going to do their best to get it if things get bad enough, just saying, I wouldn't count on being out in the coop collecting eggs for morning breakfast and plowing your field for next yrs crop. I'm not saying it's a bad thing being prepared, but I would get a plan B together just in case.

All I have to say to those people who think they are going to shoot and kill any trespasser that happens upon their land is how many bullets do you have? There are 6 billion people on the planet, if the SHTF scenario doesn't kill most of us right away there will be a lot of people out there who will want what you have. Just saying....

Originally posted by anumohi
I'm staying home. I'm a cannibal so i wont have to look far for a lil grub..

hey, anyone hungry? common over

What will we be having?

Chinese? Italian? French?

I'm partial to Chinese myself...

After giving this some more thought I wanted to add some more thoughts to this post. It is actually a great post because it basically brings up one important question. How many people are you willing to kill to save your own a$$. And this isn't a typical kill or be killed or fight/flight situation. We are talking about human beings who are starving and just trying to find food to stay alive. What troubles me the most is how many people wouldn't hesitate to kill to protect what they have.

I am a father of 3 and I'm sure I would be faced with some tough decisions if I was one of the "haves" and had to face the "have nots" Would I kill to secure what my family had or would I share till we were out? That is a difficult question to answer unless put into that situation.

Originally posted by freedish
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My plan was to head to the Appalachian mountains in North georgia...most of the trails up there aren't privately owned so i'm pretty sure i'll be okay. plus there are tons of rivers for fresh drinking water, and fishing, and there are occasional wild fruits. I have decent outdoors experience, i went on a 7 day hike in november. brought only one pack of stuff. I could have survived for a month with the amount of food i brought.

Do you think that is a good plan?

A classic American cinematic work titled "Deliverance" comes to mind. I must recommend a viewing.

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Why always asume the worsed I live outsite the city(not in the USA) and have a lot of land.. I will not reject people when the need is there and in time of trouble my house will be open to everybody... And I truly believe a lot more people like me will!!!
I think that normal people are far more social then we think ;-)

Originally posted by odd1out
Years ago, I witnessed for the first time, a "MOSH PIT" at a concert I was attending. I had not known at the time such a thing existed; I was mystified by watching what was going on in the "PIT." Waxing philosophical later that night, I commented on what I had seen to a couple of friends that were with me. They too were new to this and had never seen it before. Both of them were pretty disturbed by the sight of people engaged in this strange ritual. I replied: "To me it just appeared to be very symbolic of society and the true nature of people", (most anyway) "Every man for himself, rejecting, protecting, pushing, shoving, anyone that gets in his space, get away...get out of my space..."

If you have never witnessed a mosh pit, I suggest you see what it looks like...watch a youtube video of it...the music may NOT be for everyone.

What you experienced "a few years ago" and what you are seeing in the YT video are skewed bastardizations of the original spirit of the mosh. For a brief period when the Punk movement was fresh and history was being made, some club goers shared their enthusiasm for the music and its reflection on the times with a free-spirited 'bobble' on the dance floor. The intent was not to hurt others, but to simply engage in a dance form with an anti-social flavor.
Billy Idol in Generation X, The Ramones, The Clash, Ian Duray & The Blockheads, blah blah blah. Those lads never received much airplay back in the day but damn they were good.
The final nail in the modern music coffin, cable television channel mTV, deviated from their lip-sync talkies format with made-by program shows. One of these abominations exploited the mosh heavily, modifying the term to mosh pit along the way.
The true Punk scene was sadly a short-lived one. Behavior in mosh changed with the venue which led to what you have personally encountered.


This thread convinces me of what I have believed ever since that day...The World and Life is nothing more than a giant MOSH PIT...ONLY that in a mosh pit there are rules and courtesy...you help someone up immediately if they fall in the pit...is one such rule...there are others.

Those that think they may avoid the approaching wall of desperate humanity on their "homestead" WHEN & IF T.S. ever H.T.F. will have a rude awakening...you will need an Army to protect it especially if it's believed you ain't planning on sharing what you got...

OP...Right back at you...

By the way OP...Do you really...REALLY...REALLY believe YOU ACTUALLY OWN SOMETHING???

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I want to at some more to this.. This is something I learn my daughter and so I believe in that.. If I had one bread left and further there is nothing to eat, what will I do take the bread and only feed me and my family or do I split with my neighbors act.. My teaching is to share it with the rest not only to yourself/family, because not only for the good deed but also for the future you will need eats other desperately.... More people together are stronger we are not loners we are a social race do not ever forget that.. So I really would like to suggest people to be kind towards eats other in difficult times!!!

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My apology to OP. Upon seeing my Reply I find there is someone else's commentary in there as well, under the YT box. Silly newb! My bad.

Just wanted to share w/ you what little I knew from back in the day.

Originally posted by pinkeltje
I want to at some more to this.. This is something I learn my daughter and so I believe in that.. If I had one bread left and further there is nothing to eat, what will I do take the bread and only feed me and my family or do I split with my neighbors act.. My teaching is to share it with the rest not only to yourself/family, because not only for the good deed but also for the future you will need eats other desperately.... More people together are stronger we are not loners we are a social race do not ever forget that.. So I really would like to suggest people to be kind towards eats other in difficult times!!!

Great point. Why keep the loaf for yourself and family, if that is all there is left are you adding more days to your life by eating that last loaf of bread. Why not share and feel good about that decision you've made.

I kind of agree with you OP, but you're ignoring the fact that there are many (like me) who live in urban or suburban locations whose heart genuinely belongs in rural isoltion. Myself - I'd give anything to live in the countryside but I'm priced out. It's only when the SHTF that things like having your own house don't matter and you're free to seek harbour in the woods or mountains - when you've got nothing left to lose, no job to care about and taxes and mortgages are the last thing on your mind.

You're LUCKY that you're already able to live in isolation. Don't assume that everyone who doesn't, doesn't belong there with you. Sometimes financial restraints are the deciding factor, not will or spiritual belonging. Or maybe things are different in the US. Here in the UK the little countryside we have left is in the ownership of the wealthy and they've positioned the whole system to make it difficult for the middle or working classes to even attempt to live there.

Originally posted by Cythraul
I kind of agree with you OP, but you're ignoring the fact that there are many (like me) who live in urban or suburban locations whose heart genuinely belongs in rural isoltion. Myself - I'd give anything to live in the countryside but I'm priced out. It's only when the SHTF that things like having your own house don't matter and you're free to seek harbour in the woods or mountains - when you've got nothing left to lose, no job to care about and taxes and mortgages are the last thing on your mind.

You're LUCKY that you're already able to live in isolation. Don't assume that everyone who doesn't, doesn't belong there with you. Sometimes financial restraints are the deciding factor, not will or spiritual belonging. Or maybe things are different in the US. Here in the UK the little countryside we have left is in the ownership of the wealthy and they've positioned the whole system to make it difficult for the middle or working classes to even attempt to live there.

I know just how you feel. I live in the city but my soul belongs in the mountains. One day I will get there but as you said there are factors that keep is from doing so.

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Great post OP, S&F to you! The dude makes a valid point, never really thought of it that way.

'You're out in a field for one minute and someone empties a casing or slug on you. Turns out it was just a farmer protecting his land.'

I have lots of relatives in the country, many of whom I hardly knew about. I could tell that they were not used to people that they did not know much about. But I never really considered it.

It's a fish eat fish world... Oh the irony...

Originally posted by SeenMyShare
I posted this comment in another thread but this is worthy of its own thread.

I see a recurring theme over and over here on ATS, and that's the number of people who will "head to the hills". I can tell you that if that is your plan you best be getting your destination location pinpointed and arranging for rent or purchase and shelter now. If the SHTF many of us already in the country/hills/boonies will not take kindly to a bunch of city folk pouring in and squatting on our farmlands, in our woods, and on our mountains acting as if they have the right to be there..

Now is the time to find that wilderness location and secure it for yourself. Don't think that those of us already in the rural locations will welcome you with open arms. Its nearly as dangerous for bug outers in the wilds as it will be in the cities, except in the wilds you'll be faced with folk who know how to live there, know the area well, and will in most cases use deadly force to protect it.

This is probably the most selfish exclamation I've read in ATS. Besides that, your "my tree, my river, my hill" policy is rudimental and shows how little you know about survivalism.

Let's say people run to your hill, you start shooting them, call attention of many more, they know you might have goods and that's why you are shooting, more people gather around, after 3 days without sleeping you'll run out of bullets.

Best way to save yourself will be helping others, so when you die there will be prayers for you.

reply to post by Cythraul
I really do feel for you and while this may not be your situation I can tell you that many won't give up their toys for things that are really important. My son and his wife think nothing of racking up $500 a month on cell phones, MP3 players, internet on their cell phones, etc. My way of thinking is they could get basic cell service if they must carry their phones and put the rest back. A lot of empty ground is going $1000 an acre right now. That's as cheap as its been in ages. Within a few months of giving up their super cell phones they could have land. For bigger parcels that seem out of your reach form a purchasing co-op with some trusted friends. Pool your resources.

We who live rurally often give up a lot of the conveniences, arts and entertainment, services, and diversity of selection that those who live in urban situations take for granted. We often do without things because of our locations. Its a choice.

BTW... to all those who keep insinuating that I've been handed everything I wasn't. My husband is a "city boy". He never planted a seed till he met me, he still can't/won't dress a deer or kill/clean a chicken. I was born in NJ, up near NY. When I was nine my parents sold everything they had and moved us to the country, to a house that had no electricity, no running water, and no insulation. We took baths in the creek at the bottom of the hill that whole first year. We learned to plant gardens together, we and our parents. The first garden was a learning experience because we found out it wasn't near big enough. Subsequent years had us planting much more. Mom learned to can and taught us girls. We were kids, we didn't know that most people looked down their noses at us because we lived simply. We loved it. It was hard work and everyone pulled their weight. The only one of the kids who didn't have chores was the baby. She was the chore of all of us. We lived in the country only four years when my father passed away leaving a woman alone with seven kids to feed as well as her aging mother. Life was not easy and it wasn't handed to us on a silver platter. What we gained was more invaluable than that. We learned to work hard for what we needed and do without to have the important stuff. We learned to set stuff back to have in leaner times.
I've worked many jobs the average woman would never attempt. I've been a carpenter, a forester for the Natural Resources, a seamstress and an auto mechanic. I may seem hillbilly to a lot of you but I have lived both in urban settings and rural settings. I decided when I was very young that I'd do whatever I had to - to never have to live in an urban setting again. Its not easy, and sometimes its not fun, but I can tell you its always been worth it.

Originally posted by SeenMyShare
I posted this comment in another thread but this is worthy of its own thread.

I see a recurring theme over and over here on ATS, and that's the number of people who will "head to the hills". I can tell you that if that is your plan you best be getting your destination location pinpointed and arranging for rent or purchase and shelter now. If the SHTF many of us already in the country/hills/boonies will not take kindly to a bunch of city folk pouring in and squatting on our farmlands, in our woods, and on our mountains acting as if they have the right to be there..

Now is the time to find that wilderness location and secure it for yourself. Don't think that those of us already in the rural locations will welcome you with open arms. Its nearly as dangerous for bug outers in the wilds as it will be in the cities, except in the wilds you'll be faced with folk who know how to live there, know the area well, and will in most cases use deadly force to protect it.

There is one thing I would like to know, how self sufficient are you out there in the country? Are you 100% completely off the grid? If so good for you. However, I doubt that you are not too many people truly are. If you would just give this question some thought. How much do you depend on cities for your every day needs? Do you have electricity, running water and indoor plumbing? Do you ever go to town to get supplies, medicine, clothing? What if all those things were gone, how easy would you have it? You sound very resourceful and I'm sure you would get by, but before you go and discount what city people do maybe you should consider all the conveniences you have now. Then contemplate all the technology that makes your life easier and consider that without cities most of that wouldn't have been possible. I know that a lot of country folk don't like city goers but those people in cities make it possible for you in the country to have a better way of life.


Do you have phone, internet and cable out there in the country? If so you can think someone like myself for making it possible. So if I come needing help please don't shoot me

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I understand about pulling together in a disaster.
The community that I am originally from,was devastated
by a flash flood in 2008.I let one of my neighbors
destroy part of my yard so he could save his house.
A yard is easier to fix than a house.We just have to
have our priorities straight.

I have been preparing for the situationHTF,for over
three years.I have been buying food,weapons,ammo
and supplies.I don't know how many people I will be
feeding.I may never eat this food myself,but,I know
that someone will.
I may have given some the impression that I'm a "rambo"
granny,but,I am not.I will defend myself and my family.
I pray to God that I never have to shoot anyone,I will if
I am forced to.

Originally posted by taccj9903
There is one thing I would like to know, how self sufficient are you out there in the country? Are you 100% completely off the grid? If so good for you. However, I doubt that you are not too many people truly are. If you would just give this question some thought. How much do you depend on cities for your every day needs? Do you have electricity, running water and indoor plumbing? Do you ever go to town to get supplies, medicine, clothing? What if all those things were gone, how easy would you have it? You sound very resourceful and I'm sure you would get by, but before you go and discount what city people do maybe you should consider all the conveniences you have now. Then contemplate all the technology that makes your life easier and consider that without cities most of that wouldn't have been possible. I know that a lot of country folk don't like city goers but those people in cities make it possible for you in the country to have a better way of life.

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Do you have phone, internet and cable out there in the country? If so you can think someone like myself for making it possible. So if I come needing help please don't shoot me

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I agree with you and I do have some of those things.... but... I've also lived without them, and could live without them again without blinking an eye. I have no problem using a privy or seeing by lantern or hauling my water or shutting down the internet. I have no problem cutting wood by hand, building a fire, heating water on that fire and doing laundry by hand. I would be happy to teach others to live without as well, but many aren't willing to learn, see no future without any of that stuff and ridicule me for knowing how and being happy with or without the modern conveniences. I'd rather teach them now, when they don't think they need to know, rather than in desperate times when panic sets in and common sense goes out the window.

I love the game Fallout 3 and it's side game New Vegas. They do a great job of showing you how society will break down. You have the rural folk with farmland who are self sufficient enough to maintain civilization but then you have the inner city people who had to riot and loot and murder and cannibalize to survive and they are all wacked out on drugs and bent on raping, killing and eating anyone they can find in no particular order. So while your expecting a bunch of dumb easy city folk, you might get some raiders straight out of mad max instead.

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Not everyone is ridiculing you for knowing how to survive without modern day conveniences. I understand the world is filled with plenty of self serving, self loving people who are only concerned with themselves. And I don't doubt that if some major catastrophe did happen that there would be those idiots out there looting, robbing and taking without regard for anyone but themselves. What concerns me the most are the children that would suffer, and many of those idiots have children. All I can say is that I hope for the sake of mankind that it never happens, if it does hopefully the good in people will shine through.