Obama's Birth certificate: Hawaii Governor Abercrombie's Birther mission

Originally posted by Honor93
two (2) of them, both proven false.

When were they proven false?

also, his dual citizenship with the UK from birth is both disturbing and disqualifying to say the least.

Again, just making things up.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


Well when your source is a man who is making money off the birthers continuing to believe in the birther conspiracy and his bottom line relies on convincing you he is right, how can it not be biased or tainted?



I swear the birther threads now look like the ones from a year ago but with a limp and a slur.

Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by JohhnyBGood

 

Well when your source is a man who is making money off the birthers continuing to believe in the birther conspiracy and his bottom line relies on convincing you he is right, how can it not be biased or tainted?

I swear the birther threads now look like the ones from a year ago but with a limp and a slur.

I don't claim for a minute that he is impartial - this is just a silly straw man issue that you have put up.

Consider for a moment the amount of damage this is doing to Obamas credibility, all the publicity that this is finaly geting with the billboard campaign - 60% of people think this is an issue - it is causing lots and lots of people who would never bother otherwise to start delving into Obamas background.

There is at least a few % points of votes in this - an issue that could have been put to bed with a simple phone call to Hawaii from the very start.

When Obama was applying for the most sensitive job on the planet - the American people had the right to demand to know everything about him, his background, his associates, his school grades, who financed him, who paid for his education, and most importantly, wether he was in fact elligable to hold that office.

Congress has admitted in a confidential memo - that no-one ever vetted his elligability.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by TexasChem
Actually my source is from the Hawaii state.gov website sugar britches!

Too bad you did not understand what you were reading.

The state of Hawaii actually changed the wording from Certification of birth to Certificate of birth per my own investigation into this subject over the course of a year.After reviewing this matter please come back and tell me who is making what up my dear.

hawaii.gov...

I took the liberty of posting the sentences you should look for on this government website for you darlin.

Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?

A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.


How to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth

For a person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii:

An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of a certified copy of the adoption decree or the certificate of adoption, and payment of fees.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How did you miss the key word "Ammended?" You do know that the type of birth certificate you are pointing to here will also state the actual place of birth? This has nothing to do with your short form/long form/certificate/certification argument. Yes, people from foreign places can get an ammended BC in Hawaii. Know what it says under place of birth? NOT HAWAII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nowhere on that page does it show how anyone can get a Hawaiian birth certificate CERTIFYING a HAWAIIAN BIRTH without actually proving they were born in Hawaii.

Please read your source next time. It will prevent this kind of foolishness.

Funny though. Thanks for that.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]



The "Certificate of Live Birth" provided by Obama, is in fact, a derivative of the "Amended certificates of birth" they site at the gov. website.. If I were you I would consult my dictionary and understand the definition of amended.By the way if born in another country he would have to have an amended certificate and his original would be on file.If Adopted he would have to have an amended like say by grandparents.Under Hawaiian Law in 1961 a child could be born anywhere in the world and have the mother register the birth with true or false information without any third party verification of the data entered onto the form.Take your foot out of your mouth and stop giving people DISinformation please.Its an ugly, nasty thing to do.I would stop with the emotional banter as well if I were you.

FACT:Even if he were born in Hawaii, which I highly doubt, his father was never a US citizen nor was he a legal immigrant nor permanent resident of the US.Obamas father was sojourning in the US as a student for a few years and then returned to Kenya.Thus, Obama is not and never can be and Article II "natural born" citizen of the USA.
Try reading "Laws of Nations or Principles of Natural Law" if you need to understand the definition of Natural born citizen.

Originally posted by rlrsar
His place of birth is not as important as the FACT that his father was a Brittish subject. Obama was a dual citizen at birth because of his fathers nationality. Our Constitution requires that only natural born citizens are eligible for the office of President. That requirement has been upheld by several supreme court decisions going back over 100 years. As a dual citizen he was a native born citizen at birth, He was then adopted by an indonesian and became an Indonesian citizen, and was no longer a citizen of the USA at all. He could have become a Naturalized citizen when he returned to the USA, but there is no record of that.

Please don't make statements when you don't know what you are talking about. Your parents cannot relinquish your citizenship for you. You have to do it yourself when you turn the legal age of consent, in formal writing to the state department, port of entry, or consulate.

Also being a dual citizen doesn't exclude you from holding the office of president. He would still be a NATURAL born american even if he was a dual citizen. And if he was he would have an Indonesian passport still valid after his 18th birthday can anyone find it? Hmm god more igorance on these boards spouting the same old crap.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education) – ** it does not say all children are entitled to an education, it specifies “all citizens” **.

Exactly how would you interpret this?

That maybe his father lied to get him into school? Wouldn't be the first time...and no offense to Indonesia but their birth records suck. You know how many times I have to deal with a non-availability of birth certificate from that country? That and India are the two worst countries for birth certificates.

Originally posted by rlrsar
reply to post by Resurrectio

 

If both of your parents were from the moon and you were born in Maine you would be a US citizen, a Native born citizen but NOT a Natrual born citizen. Natural born status is reserved for people born on US soil to parents (plural) that are citizens of the USA. The only place that this status matters is for the ofice of President. Our founding fathers did not want anyone with any loyalty to any other country (or the moon in your case) to be the head of this country.

You quote me where it says those born on OUR SOIL are not natural born. One of his parents was a natural born american that's all that is needed. This is a nation of immigrants no one here is natural born.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
reply to post by Resurrectio

 

You stated that it was preposterous to imagine that no-one in govt checked out his eligibility.

I point you to a confirmed (confidential) congressional memo, confirming that his eligibility was never checked or verified.

You ignore this - and still maintain he was vetted - I would say it is you who are looking like the crazy wacky denying conspiracy believer now!

No one in government but when you are running a smear campaign as bad as that election was you don't think someone would be looking into that? I don't know about you but if I'm losing and I can my opponent isn't even eligible to run I'm going for it. Simple politics.

For those in this thread who are claiming he is not a natural born citizen.

Source

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *

Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Sorry for the large outside quite. But people only focus on one way to become a natural born citizen. But people need to learn there is more than one way to become a natural born citizen. These are part of our immigration laws and laws estabilished by congress by the time he was born.

And for those who want to know about losing your citizenship.

For a natural-born citizen, losing your citizenship is actually quite difficult. The law prohibits the taking of your citizenship against your will, but there are certain actions a citizen can take which are assumed to be a free-will decision that constitutes a voluntary renunciation of the citizenship.

Moving to another country for an extended period of time does not constitute an act that presumes renunciation. Neither does taking a routine-level job with a foreign government. This stand is quite different from U.S. policy of the past, where even being naturalized in another nation could be seen as renunciation. The sections of the law that pertained to losing ones nationality for many of these cases was found at 8 USC 1482 and related sections.

The U.S. Code does, however, see some acts as creating the possibility of a loss of nationality. When you lose your U.S. nationality, you are no longer under the protection or jurisdiction of the United States. When the United States considers you to no longer be of U.S. nationality, it in effect considers you to no longer be a citizen. Note that these are things you can do that may force you to lose your citizenship. The law also says that these acts must be voluntary and with the intent of losing U.S. citizenship. The ways to lose citizenship are detailed in 8 USC 1481:

Becoming naturalized in another country
Swearing an oath of allegiance to another country
Serving in the armed forces of a nation at war with the U.S., or if you are an officer in that force
Working for the government of another nation if doing so requires that you become naturalized or that you swear an oath of allegiance
Formally renouncing citizenship at a U.S. consular office
Formally renouncing citizenship to the U.S. Attorney General
By being convicted of committing treason

Originally posted by Everwatcher33

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
reply to post by Resurrectio

 

You stated that it was preposterous to imagine that no-one in govt checked out his eligibility.

I point you to a confirmed (confidential) congressional memo, confirming that his eligibility was never checked or verified.

You ignore this - and still maintain he was vetted - I would say it is you who are looking like the crazy wacky denying conspiracy believer now!

No one in government but when you are running a smear campaign as bad as that election was you don't think someone would be looking into that? I don't know about you but if I'm losing and I can my opponent isn't even eligible to run I'm going for it. Simple politics.

The most charitable explanation is that they were intimidated by having the 'race card' pulled on them - besides how are they going to be able to check if the Hawaiin officials (all in the bag for Obama) are not going to let them see the records.

Fact is you cannot point to anyone who knows for sure where he was born - crucially Pelosi who signed the certificates of nomination for the DNC - left out the crucial elligibility clause.

WND Exclusive BORN IN THE USA? Eye-popper: Is Nancy Pelosi in on eligibility cover-up? Online images for certification of nomination raise questions Posted: September 11, 2009 8:01 pm Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2010 WorldNetDaily A commentator at Canada Free Press says he has obtained copies of two documents apparently prepared by Democrats to certify Barack Obama as their nominee for president in 2008 that suggest House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knew there was an unresolved issue with his eligibility under the U.S. Constitution. Writer JB Williams describes himself as a "no nonsense commentator on American politics, American history, and American philosophy." And he say's he's gotten possession of copies of the documents in question. The first includes a verification that Obama and Joe Biden, then-candidate for vice president, "are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution." One image of the certification for Barack Obama's nomination, including the affirmation Obama and Joe Biden "are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution" The second form obtained by Williams appears identical, down to a typographical error in "through." But in this one, the verification of eligibility under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution is gone. Another image of a certification, on which the certification of eligibility has been removed "Now this is the stuff real conspiracies are made of!" Williams, who also maintains his own website, wrote. "Please allow me to connect the dots here…" (Story continues below) "The DNC drafted, signed and notarized TWO slightly different versions of their Official Certification of Nomination documents, not one," he wrote. "One of those documents had complete legal language, and one of them was missing the text concerning the constitutional eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama. Read more: Eye-popper: Is Nancy Pelosi in on eligibility cover-up? www.wnd.com...

Being a conspiracist however _ I personally believe that the hands off attitude of MSM is a dead giveaway that this is the result of a deal between the two factions - Hillary was to have been the President but they made a deal at the last minute to put Obama in as a compromise, with an agreed upon agenda, with the proviso that by simply deciding to notice the elligibility issue - he could be removed at any point by either faction. We may be arriving at that point now!

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Fact is you cannot point to anyone who knows for sure where he was born - crucially Pelosi who signed the certificates of nomination for the DNC - left out the crucial elligibility clause.

The Cert of Nomination for the state of Hawaii had the Constitutional eligibility clause because Hawaii law demands it. I'll find the thread.

Here it is. www.abovetopsecret.com...
The very first form on page one of that thread is the one for Hawaii and it has the eligibility language.

The thread goes on to show Hawaii's law that states the language is necessary, so they added it to the bare form. Here's the post that links to the Hawaii law:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


True, but I think politics has proven that even when something isn't supposed to be done it some how finds it's way to light. Weren't there people who looked up his records without authorization and were fired for it? Surely if they had seen something they would be speaking up by now no? I will have to see if I can find that.

To be honest though I don't really trust WND...or most media for that matter.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


That is not true. I was born in Pontiac Michigan - I am only able to get a short form, which might I add, I have used to obtain a passport and ccw and several other document required things.

My oldest was born in Fairfax VA. in 1998 - I am only able to get a short form for him also. I have been able to get a passport for him and register him for school with it, without a question.

I have never even been questioned about the long form BC.

reply to post by Resurrectio


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certificate takes approximately 3 to 4 weeks after receipt in
the Vital Records office.
If you wish to do so, you may request same day service in
person at the State Vital Records Office and then hand-carry
your document to the Office of the Great Seal to have the
apostille applied.
PAYMENT MUST BE MADE IN U.S. FUNDS BY CHECK
OR MONEY ORDER PAYABLE TO THE:
‘‘STATE OF MICHIGAN’’
MAIL TO:
Vital Records Requests
PO Box 30721
Lansing MI 48909
FOR ADD’L INFO:
(517) 335-8666
DCH-0569-BXAUTH Rev 12/06 By Authority of MCL 333.2882(1)(a)(b) and MCL
333.2891(1-4)(8)
APPLYING IN PERSON
If you wish to apply in person to order a Michigan vital record, you may do
so at the office located at 201 Townsend St, Capitol View Building, 3rd
Floor, Lansing MI 48913. Lobby hours are 8:00 am - 5:00 pm. Directions
are available by logging onto our website at: www.michigan.gov/mdch or
by calling 517-335-8666.
A check or money order is preferred, and orders in our lobby must be
placed by 3:00 pm in order to request same-day service. An additional fee
of $10.00 is required for same-day service orders. Please allow a 2-3
hour waiting period for same-day service.
PHOTO ID REQUIREMENTS FOR APPLYING IN PERSON OR BY MAIL
FOR A MICHIGAN BIRTH RECORD
* Please Send Photocopies - Not Original Documents *
Under Michigan law, birth records are restricted documents, and a
current valid, photo identification is required in order to establish
eligibility to request and/or receive one (except for a birth record
that is at least 100 years old). To protect you and the community
from identity theft, we require a copy of the applicant’s photo
identification to be presented along with the application.
Individuals under the age of 15 are unable to request a copy of
their own birth record.
At least one of the following photo ID’s:
< Michigan driver’s license unexpired or expired for not
more than one year
< State of Michigan identification card unexpired or
expired for not more than one year
< Driver’s license or official identification card issued by
another state in the U.S., jurisdiction or territory,
unexpired, or expired for not more than one year.
< Unexpired U.S. or foreign passport
< U.S. military identification, military dependent
identification or veteran’s identification
Or, if you do not have one of the above, at least one of the
following photo ID’s, with stated supporting documents:
< Employment identification with photo, accompanied
with a pay stub or W-2 form
< School, university or college identification with photo,
accompanied with a report card or other proof of
current school enrollment
< Michigan driver’s license expired for more than one
year, accompanied by a motor vehicle registration or
title, a bridge card, MI-Health card, inmate probation
or discharge documents, a veteran’s DD-214, or an
original copy of an Affidavit of Parentage
< Department of Corrections identification card,
accompanied by probation or discharge papers
< If an inmate currently incarcerated, a Department of
Corrections identification card, accompanied by a
verification of incarceration by the facility on letterhead
If you are unable to provide any of the above mentioned
forms of identification, please contact the Michigan
Vital Records Office at 517-335-8666 and speak with a
customer service representative.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


Could you possibly provide a source LINK when you source outside material, so the rest of us could look into it? Thanks.

What's the difference between an authenticated and certified copy?

reply to post by Resurrectio

I believe EVERY state has been recording the births and all that happens with the births for quite a while,
like the doctor, the parents, the hospital, witness, etc etc, they have to be signed by certain people in attendance.
There are full forms, (long forms) for each of us, as well as certificates that state there are those long forms in existence, they really are there.
We can all get them and provide them, it isnt a mystery or conspiracy in anyones case, but in this case its a distraction, for whatever reason, (i dont know why other than to start crap in politics),
it isnt about who's right it's about what's right,
everyone should be concerned, not just about obama but about who and what is running our country,
you say you have a son, how's the future of this country looking for him and the other kids coming up behind us?
pretty much like crap last time i looked,
so IF there are people with agendas (and it sure seems like it) to ruin this place simple stuff like asking those that are elected to be genuine, and truly for our country is minimal,
it's ALL of US that are affected not just you or me or someone else that's not us,
I dont care what color he is or who he prays to or how he likes to get his jollys off,
I care that he's genuine and does the best honest job he can do, and that goes for all of them sitting in seats of power.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


Let me help YOU.

A certified copy is printed on special safety paper and contains a raised, embossed seal.
...
An authenticated (exemplified or containing an apostille) record is typically required by a foreign government for adoption, work visas, or establishing residency. An authenticated document is NOT needed for foreign travel. You must provide the name of the FOREIGN country where the document will be used. An apostille CANNOT be applied to a document that will be used in the United States.

SOURCE

Now, what's your point? A certified copy is what Obama posted on the Internet. An authenticated copy is for use OUTSIDE the US only.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

 

Could you possibly provide a source LINK when you source outside material, so the rest of us could look into it? Thanks.

What's the difference between an authenticated and certified copy?

edit on 12/29/2010 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

www.michigan.gov...

one is the original form , full details, the other is a certificate that basically says that the full form exists,
theyre there for all of us, it's just more b.s. paperwork, but yes, they exist.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


Read my last post. You're incorrect. One is not the long form. You're assuming.