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Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by Sinnthia
Well, believe what you want, I know what I believe and Mary is in no way equated with or to God. Perhaps, one day you will be inspired to look into it enough to stop spreading lies.
Peace
Originally posted by csimon
The "Hail Mary" isn't a prayer praying to Mary.
The "Hail Mary" is two parts. The first part is taken from the annunciation of the angel Gabriel - "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus." The second part is asking for Mary's intercession "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death. Amen."
Deny ignorance and learn for yourself. Flame on.edit on 30-12-2010 by csimon because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Sinnthia
I would argue simply this.
1. I am the Lord your god. You will have no other gods before me.
You will not make graven images and attribute to them what you would God.
Praying to Mary at the foot of a Mary statue is then what? Oh, a sin!
You justify worshipping Mary any way you like. If it makes you feel good, do it.
9. You will not bear false witness.
You play with your commandments however you like. I am sure your god only meant them as suggestions anyway.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
What has the Catholic Church done to me?
Well in just the last two pages, two reps from said church accused me of doing something I did not do, insulted me on a personal level, and lied to me just to get me to think like them.
Originally posted by okbmd
reply to post by bsbray11
I've never felt threatened by Islam and unlike Catholics, they never slaughtered my ancestors either
So , are you inferring that you feel threatened by Catholicism ?
Were your ancestors really slaughtered by the Catholics ? I mean , do you know this for a fact , or are you just "generally speaking" ?
None of your ancestors were ever "slaughtered" by muslims ? How can you be so sure of this and state it as fact ?
It's apparent compassion towards the lives of others doesn't rank high for you, but being here apparently defending Catholicism, why am I not surprised?
It's apparent compassion towards the lives of others doesn't rank high for you
being here apparently defending Catholicism,
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Originally posted by csimon
The "Hail Mary" isn't a prayer praying to Mary.
The "Hail Mary" is two parts. The first part is taken from the annunciation of the angel Gabriel - "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus." The second part is asking for Mary's intercession "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death. Amen."
Deny ignorance and learn for yourself. Flame on.edit on 30-12-2010 by csimon because: (no reason given)
Um.....
I hate to point out the obvious here but um...you just completely proved your own assertion wrong.
First you claim it is NOT a prayer TO Mary.
Then you explain it is a prayer made up of two parts
1 Addressing Mary directly
2 Asking her for something
If that is not a prayer TO Mary, then wow, just wow.
So one catholic calls me a liar and one calls me ignorant? I am feeling the love.
Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by Sinnthia
No, perhaps you were just special. I have never met a Catholic, or a person that simply attended a service, that was under the impression that Catholics worship Mary. Does she hold a special place? Absolutely, she is the mother of our lord, but that does not make her God. We ask her to pray for us, we ask her to ask her son to forgive us, we believe that Jesus will never deny the request of His mother, and in that through the Hail Mary, and every other Catholic prayer, we ask for forgiveness, we ask for guidance, but we do not ask these things of Mary.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by Sinnthia
Well, believe what you want, I know what I believe and Mary is in no way equated with or to God. Perhaps, one day you will be inspired to look into it enough to stop spreading lies.
Peace
Odd that you would judge me a liar. How very Catholic of you.
Speaking of lies, you do realize this entire post of yours is a lie, right?
Let's not cast stones, or judge, right?
I never said Mary was a god.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Help me understand - you PRAY to a dead woman, Mary, for her intercession on your behalf, believing that her requests will always be honored, yet that is somehow not a "prayer" or worshipful? Are Catholics trying to do an end-run around the biblical verse that says "none come to the Father but through me" by going through Mary instead?
Originally posted by oliveoil
Seriously, 99 % of all you posters out there seem to have beef with the catholic church. The Church Jesus Christ himself established. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ? The Church has always been there though out the ages always giving and supporting people in need.You cant always turn toward your family but you can always count on the Catholic church. (hypocrites)
Mods, please post this where you seem fit. Thanks OOedit on 27-12-2010 by oliveoil because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Rosha
My first problem is that the Catholic church is a political priory of Rome, not of Jesus Christ.
The history of Rome, of the pontificate itself and words of the pontiffs themselves is clear enough about that.
A Church is a body of people..not an institution of man.
Second: their nuns bashed me and priests raped and abused me - and over 150 million+ other children world wide " in the name of God" in a massive abuse of trust and stolen privillege spreading despair, injury, pain, death and fear through our schools institutions and work with the military. Jesus, is not a paedophile, abuser murderer or woman basher...and doesnt outsource this activity either - whatsmore the fruits of the HOLY spirit are loving kindness, joy, faith and hope.
Third Opus Dei - deranged psuedoscientific maniacal paradoxically nazi right wing organisation hell bent on twisting logic reason and faith into its most digusting filthy forms...worshipers of the idols of power property and presteige, worshipers of doctrine, not God.
The bible clearly states keep religion and politics seperate.
Fourth - after literally billions die for the LITERAL 'the word of God' as written in the bible....Ratzinger comes out flippantly last year and says ' oh its only symbolic'.....thus desecreating the memories of the dead on both sides of the religious bloodbath over the centuries.. According to Ratzinger, the bible is no longer the living literal word of God.
Fifth: PUBLIC tax funds used to fund PRIVATE orgies of art, history, land, people, political power and stateism utilizing fear masked as 'religous privillige ' to avoid taxation and prosecution under due criminal and civil laws.
Sixth they dumped my own mother as unclean when she divorced a violent drunkard..then proceeded to continue to fleece her of a quarter of her megre pension for over 20 years..rejecting her calls for help, and aid for her and her 6 children using her faith and their sadistic inscestuous maligant concept of God against her mind until she broke.
Jesus said ' suffer the little children', not 'make them suffer'.
And Lastly..seventh and most important - Jesus saves. NOT the Catholic church.
Originally posted by okbmd
reply to post by bsbray11
It's apparent compassion towards the lives of others doesn't rank high for you, but being here apparently defending Catholicism, why am I not surprised?
It's apparent compassion towards the lives of others doesn't rank high for you
Please feel free to show how that is apparent , from what I posted .
being here apparently defending Catholicism,
Again , please feel free to show how it is apparent , from what I posted , that I defend Catholicism .